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  1. On 3/19/2024 at 10:39 AM, PurpleHayes said:

     

    When I made that post, I didn't think the unis would leak within 72 hours! That escalated quickly...

    So is it March 23 or April 23 that the Houston Texans are scheduled to unveil their new uniform designs to the public?

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  2. 1 hour ago, HOOVER said:

     

    I am pro-Dark Navy for the Texans.  I may be in the minority but I strongly dislike their Red helmet & uniforms.  Red, in this case, makes a great accent color to the Dark Navy, but as a primary, Dark Navy doesn't do anything for the Red as an accent.

    I had hoped they'd drop the helmet for the White version, though.   Using a Dark Navy facemask would've made it unique to the league, and it could've been swapped out with a Red facemask for an Oilers-tribute alt.

     

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    I still think the Dark Navy helmet would benefit from a stripe.

    I wish the Houston Texans would go to the white helmet shell with the bull head logo and red facemask as their primary helmet design on a permanent basis.

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  3. On 7/21/2023 at 7:08 AM, henburg said:

    I think it would be better for Washington to stick with Commanders at this point, feels like a really big ask to get the public to remember and commit to a new nickname for the 3rd time. The name "Commanders" has never really been the issue anyway, it's really just the uniforms that make it stink. I could get on a board with a visual rebrand that commits more to the visual tradition of the team, but the name is not unsalvageable. 

    Amen. I would much rather Washington stick it out with Commanders than change it to something lame & stupid like "Redtails". I would also like very much to see Washington change the uniform design back to the Washington Football Team era, but bring back the white & gold stripes on the helmet. 

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  4. On 4/21/2023 at 5:17 PM, Typhoon said:

    As a Broncos fan, I’m ready for a redesign. And I think it’s a layup what design to go with. Pictured below. Or some variation of this would be perfect. The shade of blue open for debate. But after the recent rebrands by Nike, I almost don’t want it to happen. Just leave it be. I don’t want a black Broncos jersey or giant DENVER across the home uni or orange to navy gradient. No thanks. 

     

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    I'm also a Denver Broncos fan, and I'll say that these uniforms would be okay with me if the team adopted them as its next uniform rebrand. Is there a royal blue alternate uniform version of these?

  5. 15 hours ago, DustDevil61 said:


    If judging social media graphics and draft caps is any indication, it looks like the Panthers could be moving toward a primarily light-blue look.

     

    Speaking of which, now would be Carolina’s chance to own a piece of the Light(ish) Blue pie, with Black/White/Silver accents to set them apart from the Chargers while the Titans insist on wearing mono Navy more times than not.

     

    I’m also kind of relieved that the Panthers’ changes seem to be minimal, given that the alternative tends to end up in a course correction half a decade down the road.

    I'm all for Carolina switching to the darker process blue as its primary jersey color for home games. However, Pantone Process Blue C is a custom color, so my only related question is this: does anyone know what the approximate hex code value will be in the future for the Panthers' Process Blue C?

  6. On 1/11/2023 at 8:59 AM, namefornamesake said:

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    I'll kick things off here with a Dallas Cowboys concept set I created a few weeks ago. Unlike most everyone else on this site, I have grown an appreciation for the blue-silver pants Dallas inexplicably uses on its current home set. With that in mind, I decided to replace all the regular silver in the team's look with the blue-silver, creating a simple, iconic look which reinforces the color as part of the Cowboys' identity. In another effort at long-overdue synergy, I combined Dallas's two current shades of blue (royal blue and navy blue) into one shade used across both uniforms. I also homogenized the sleeve striping, keeping the double lines (sans black outlines, of course) of the home set while adding the star logo from the color uniforms.  Solid-color numbers return to both sets as well. Thoughts? 

    You nailed it here. I don't even care about what shades the Dallas Cowboys use for blue and silver. The only thing that bothers me about the Cowboys' current uniforms is how badly mismatched the designs & colors are. This concept is way better than what they have worn for several seasons now.  I wish the Cowboys would fix their uniform designs so that they are unified. One shade of blue & silver is what's needed, not multiple shades.

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    I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Utah Jazz fan who was disappointed by the team's latest rebrand from June 17, 2022 that unveiled the "Dark Mode" remix jerseys. Anyways, here's my Utah Jazz rebrand concept. My concept reverts Utah's official team colors back to purple, yellow & green (which were the team's colors from its inception in New Orleans in 1974 thru 1996). The logos & court design are from the 2016-17 season, but re-colored in the classic colors. The uniforms are from the club's 2010 rebrand, but again, in the classic purple, yellow & green colors. C&C welcome.

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  8. 8 hours ago, pitt6pack said:

    We're down to the final 4, so it's time to take a look at the 4 possible fields, based on recent field history.

     

    Kansas City vs Philadelphia

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    I think all these fields have some good color that will pop, although Bengals-Eagles has the least color of the bunch, and in my opinion, the least best of the bunch. I expect the Super Bowl logo will look great on the field though, if they keep it as large as last year. Lots of colors in this years logo, which should look great with the late afternoon sun.

    I just don't understand why there needs to be oversized team logos in the end zones. I wish the NFL would consider bringing back the teams' conference logos to the end zone field art for the Super Bowl field design.

  9. On 10/31/2022 at 3:39 PM, loholt said:

    Alright I'm back with another NBA brand refresh and this time I'm heading west to Utah. We're taking the nonsensical Jazz name out of Salt Lake City (and eventually returning it to New Orleans where it belongs) and going with the Utah Pioneers at the suggestion of a few users on this thread. The Jazz has always been a goofy name for Utah and right now when they are transitioning to a rebuilding period would be a great time to embrace something new and fresh. 

     

    In my opinion the Jazz peaked culturally and successfully during the Stockton-Malone era of the 90’s so I’m throwing it back to that look with plenty of purple and white and an emphasis on the mountains for the logos. To incorporate the Pioneer theme a bit I’ve added a goldish color that is also pretty close to an alternate color they used in the popular 90’s logo. I know the Lakers technically are a purple and gold as well but with slightly different purple and a way different "gold" (there's is obviously just yellow) I felt like it was different enough. 

     

    Jersey-wise the home and away are basically modernizations of those 90’s jerseys and then I added a gold one for the statement jersey to embrace the Pioneer mascot a little bit more. Certainly could argue that the Pioneer mascot could come through a little more but any logo involving a pioneer or covered wagon or anything looked hokey to me. The nice thing about this brand refresh is they can keep the bear mascot they currently have as well.

     

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    So many questions I have as a fan of the Utah NBA team. First, why Pioneers as the team name? Second, is there a version to where I may be able to see the full uniform (jersey+shorts), logos & colors)? Third, the domain name Pioneers.com is already taken, but the domain name UtahPioneers.com is not & is available. Perhaps tweak the court design to incorporate it? Fourth, how were the colors chosen? I get purple, but why metallic gold? Also, the arena name changes back to Delta Center on July 1, 2023.

  10. On 1/11/2023 at 8:59 AM, namefornamesake said:

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    I'll kick things off here with a Dallas Cowboys concept set I created a few weeks ago. Unlike most everyone else on this site, I have grown an appreciation for the blue-silver pants Dallas inexplicably uses on its current home set. With that in mind, I decided to replace all the regular silver in the team's look with the blue-silver, creating a simple, iconic look which reinforces the color as part of the Cowboys' identity. In another effort at long-overdue synergy, I combined Dallas's two current shades of blue (royal blue and navy blue) into one shade used across both uniforms. I also homogenized the sleeve striping, keeping the double lines (sans black outlines, of course) of the home set while adding the star logo from the color uniforms.  Solid-color numbers return to both sets as well. Thoughts? 

    For me, the biggest issue I have with the Dallas Cowboys' on-field uniforms is the mismatched colors & designs. I really wish the Cowboys would go with one shade of blue (either royal or navy), and one shade of silver, and then just one design template. I'm not a fan of & I hate the mismatched uniform designs. What you've created is vastly superior visually to what the Cowboys as a team wear on the field in real life. I was hoping you would take the time to create a version of this that uses actual silver for the helmet & striping instead of silver-blue. Please take that into consideration?

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  11. 20 hours ago, tBBP said:

     

    It still baffles me how, after all these years, the Rockies STILL haven't added purple numbers/scripts/NOBs/something to their Chicago White Sox-lookalike home sets. Shoot, even a purple home cap would make a world of difference.

     

    On the other hand...at this point I may as well give them props for sticking to the same look they've had, for the most part, since their inception. Considering how many times their expansion-mate Marlins done changed since then, that's quite the achievement.

    I agree. I wish the Colorado Rockies would change the primary color of their caps from black to purple. Someone should create a re-colored concept for the Rockies in the concepts forum where they wear a purple cap for home & road with the CR logo in white trimmed in black, and purple lettering/numerals with purple pinstripes.

  12. On 9/2/2022 at 1:59 PM, TaylorMade said:

    NBA: "Almost every team loses money every year."

    NBA teams: "Check out this new court we're going to play on for 3 whole games this season!"

    See? Even fans in a city that no longer has an NBA basketball team get that novelty and special court designs lose money if they don't get enough games played on them to justify having them. Oh, and by the way, it's still a travesty that Seattle still does not have an NBA basketball team, and it's still a travesty that former NBA commissioner David Stern and the NBA Board of Governors allowed the Professional Basketball Club LLC to move the Seattle SuperSonics to Oklahoma City in 2008.

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  13. On 2/3/2022 at 7:37 PM, Moseph said:

     

    I've been a lifelong fan of Washington's NFL franchise, a just like almost everything they do, yesterday was a complete disappointment. Although I would've preferred they stuck with the name Football Team, Commanders isn't the worst thing in the world. They got a few things right with the rebrand, I think the 'W' is a pretty solid logo and I'm a fan of the Commanders wordmark. Other than that, pretty much everything looks like garbage that belongs in college so here is my attempt at showing that they are a 90 year franchise and not some expansion team.

     

    First up, we have the logos and wordmarks. Like I said, I do like the 'W' as the primary so that stays unchanged. I like the Commanders part of the wordmark but not the font they used for Washington, so I decided to transfer over the version from the Washington Football Team as it has some style and fits in with the primary logo. I don't understand why they decided to make two different roundel logos as alternates, so I modified the one I like better for my alternate logo. The one they went with has too much white in it and its too busy with the addition of the championship years. How stupid of a design was that, are they gonna keep cramming more years on if they ever win more Superbowls? I also streamlined the inner part of this logo to get rid of some quirks. In the first quadrant, I put the DC flag to better represent the city instead of the 3 stars they went with that almost makes them look like they're from Tennessee. I left the primary mark in the top right quadrant but increased its size to fill up a bit more space. In the bottom half, I decided to put the '19' and '32' next to each other, that way its easier to read than the cross pattern they really went with. I also changed the numbers to a block font for a more traditional feel.

     

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    Up next we have the primary helmet. I like the addition of the primary logo on the sides better than the numbers from the previous brand, and brought back the iconic gold facemask which really helps tie the uniforms together. I also went with the same striping pattern from the jerseys for consistency, and although I do like the satin helmets, I'd go back to the metallic finish because it always looked great on field.

     

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    Up next are the uniforms. I can't believe they went with all modern garbage after talking about wanting to honor the past and traditions of the franchise. For the home uniforms, I did stick with a few things that they did right. I kept their new sleeve striping as it makes me think of the stripes in the DC flag. I also like the addition of the stars inside the collar and kept the Commanders wordmark on the front, although a shrunk it down to a normal size. I'm not a fan of eliminating TV numbers unless there is absolutley no room for them anywhere, so they get moved to the shoulders like a number of teams have done in the past. I also carried over the the traditional block font and color scheme for the number over from the previous set. I brought back the gold pants at home because its far super to the burgundy/white combo, and kept the striping consistent across all aspects of the uniform. For my aways uniforms, I went the classic route of them being an inverse of the home set instead of the recent trend of something that doesn't match at all. Another thing I carried over from the new set is the Washington wordmark on the away jerseys. I think thats a cool touch to represent the team name at home and the city on the road like a lot of MLB teams do and wouldn't mind if other NFL teams started doing this. White over burgundy will be the standard road look because its such a beautiful combo.

     

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    I also paired home both the home and away jerseys with monochromatic looks to be worn a couple of times each season. I have been a fan of the white on white, especially after the Gibbs 2.0 playoff runs, but it should be used maybe two or three times per season because white/burgundy is still superior. All burgundy is an ok look and I'd break it out maybe once per year.

     

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    Its obvious that Snyder has wanted to incorporate black into the team identity for some time, and there are some fans that really like it but what they went with is pretty bad. The camo patterns on the sleeves and collar will never be seen unless you're standing right next to the players, and that helmet is so bad. For my version, I wanted to make it look like it could still be from the same team so I went with a recolored set of the standard uniforms. I did like the addition of the DC flag on one sleeve and the alternate patch on the other, so I moved them up to the shoulders to make room for the traditonal sleeve stripes. I also like the wordmark on the left chest and stencil style numbers to tie into the military theme so I retained those.

     

     

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    I may try and come up with a throwback look for another alternate but I'm pretty happy with this look so far.

    @Moseph Do you think there's any way you would be willing to recreate this uniform concept artwork, but with differences? Specifically, the only differences I'm asking for are these: the helmet shell color should be gold (as an homage to the 1970s Washington teams), with the "W" logo in burgundy, the stripes in a burgundy-white-burgundy pattern, and a burgundy facemask. The pants should be gold with a burgundy-white-burgundy striping pattern. Also, Terry McLaurin's last name is spelled "McLaurin". 

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  14. On 3/18/2022 at 9:55 AM, LA Fakers+ LA Snippers said:

    Dusting off the cobwebs for this thread with the Utah Jazz!

     

    The Jazz have had many-a colors and schemes (with a new one reportedly on the way), but their most iconic moments have come in purple. Combine that with the navy they currently wear, and you get a combination of Jazz history, as reflected with the logo (90's mountains, 80's/2010's wordmark).

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    Association/Icon: It's retro night in Utah, as these two jerseys are faithful recreations of the 1981-96 jerseys (except for the new indigo). The mountains from the iconic 97=04 uniforms return here, recolored in the triple stripe seen elsewhere on the jersey.
     

    Statement: All white is eliminated from the uniform, sort of like the 79-81 road uniform.

     

    City: The Red Rock city is inverted, using white as the base and cooler shades of purple instead of warm colors.

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    Main Court: continuing with the 80's theme, the two stripes on the baseline are a callback to the 1980's  Delta Center (funnily enough, they still play there today under a new name).

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    I'm a Utah Jazz fan. I would love this concept if it removed the mountain outline. I've always thought of the Jazz as a team whose colors should be purple, yellow and green. I also think these uniforms are miles better than what the team actually unveiled on June 17, 2022. @LA Fakers+ LA Snippers Is there any way you would be willing to create a modified version of these without the mountain outline, and with the tri-colored purple, yellow and green ball the team used from 2010-2022? The way the tri-colored ball in the logo should be colored is as follows:
    White uniform: purple on far left panel, yellow on left middle panel, green in right middle panel, purple on far right panel.
    Purple uniform: white on far left panel, yellow on left middle panel, green in right middle panel, white on far right panel.
    The J-note with tri-color ball on the shorts should match the J-note with tri-color ball on the jerseys.

  15. 12 hours ago, JuicedSportsNow said:


    From everything I've gathered, this is accurate. It was an ambitious idea, but alienating your own fans in service of 'hypothetical' non-regional fans is a big swing with a brand this generic. Plus, as we all know, winning + marketable stars is what ultimately brings in new fans...

    Exactly. I'm a Utah Jazz fan, and I absolutely HATE these new uniform designs. I also HATE what the Jazz ended up with for its new team colors. I mean, seriously? What was wrong with what the team was wearing for its Association and Icon edition uniforms? The only changes I would have liked to see been made were reverting the striping pattern back to the 1984-1996 version, changing the primary color to purple, with yellow and green as secondary colors, and marrying the Jazz "J" note wordmark logo from 2016 in purple, yellow and green colors to the front of the jersey in the 1984-1996 design. This "rebrand" seriously makes me question my fanhood of the Utah Jazz. Needless to say, I won't be purchasing any merchandise with the new team colors.

  16. On 5/11/2022 at 8:42 PM, Moseph said:

    Thanks so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it!

     

    I've seen so many great concepts on the boards for this team, it's really a shame that any one of them isn't what we actually got.

    I do have one additional request regarding the uniform concepts in this thread: is there any way that the uniform concepts could be re-colored in red, white, and navy blue? Please? I hope that doesn't sound too heretical. I just feel like now that Washington, D.C.'s team name is the Commanders, that the NFL team should change its color scheme to red, white and blue to unify with Washington, D.C.'s other professional sports teams.

  17. On 2/3/2022 at 7:37 PM, Moseph said:

     

    I've been a lifelong fan of Washington's NFL franchise, a just like almost everything they do, yesterday was a complete disappointment. Although I would've preferred they stuck with the name Football Team, Commanders isn't the worst thing in the world. They got a few things right with the rebrand, I think the 'W' is a pretty solid logo and I'm a fan of the Commanders wordmark. Other than that, pretty much everything looks like garbage that belongs in college so here is my attempt at showing that they are a 90 year franchise and not some expansion team.

     

    First up, we have the logos and wordmarks. Like I said, I do like the 'W' as the primary so that stays unchanged. I like the Commanders part of the wordmark but not the font they used for Washington, so I decided to transfer over the version from the Washington Football Team as it has some style and fits in with the primary logo. I don't understand why they decided to make two different roundel logos as alternates, so I modified the one I like better for my alternate logo. The one they went with has too much white in it and its too busy with the addition of the championship years. How stupid of a design was that, are they gonna keep cramming more years on if they ever win more Superbowls? I also streamlined the inner part of this logo to get rid of some quirks. In the first quadrant, I put the DC flag to better represent the city instead of the 3 stars they went with that almost makes them look like they're from Tennessee. I left the primary mark in the top right quadrant but increased its size to fill up a bit more space. In the bottom half, I decided to put the '19' and '32' next to each other, that way its easier to read than the cross pattern they really went with. I also changed the numbers to a block font for a more traditional feel.

     

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    Up next we have the primary helmet. I like the addition of the primary logo on the sides better than the numbers from the previous brand, and brought back the iconic gold facemask which really helps tie the uniforms together. I also went with the same striping pattern from the jerseys for consistency, and although I do like the satin helmets, I'd go back to the metallic finish because it always looked great on field.

     

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    Up next are the uniforms. I can't believe they went with all modern garbage after talking about wanting to honor the past and traditions of the franchise. For the home uniforms, I did stick with a few things that they did right. I kept their new sleeve striping as it makes me think of the stripes in the DC flag. I also like the addition of the stars inside the collar and kept the Commanders wordmark on the front, although a shrunk it down to a normal size. I'm not a fan of eliminating TV numbers unless there is absolutley no room for them anywhere, so they get moved to the shoulders like a number of teams have done in the past. I also carried over the the traditional block font and color scheme for the number over from the previous set. I brought back the gold pants at home because its far super to the burgundy/white combo, and kept the striping consistent across all aspects of the uniform. For my aways uniforms, I went the classic route of them being an inverse of the home set instead of the recent trend of something that doesn't match at all. Another thing I carried over from the new set is the Washington wordmark on the away jerseys. I think thats a cool touch to represent the team name at home and the city on the road like a lot of MLB teams do and wouldn't mind if other NFL teams started doing this. White over burgundy will be the standard road look because its such a beautiful combo.

     

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    I also paired home both the home and away jerseys with monochromatic looks to be worn a couple of times each season. I have been a fan of the white on white, especially after the Gibbs 2.0 playoff runs, but it should be used maybe two or three times per season because white/burgundy is still superior. All burgundy is an ok look and I'd break it out maybe once per year.

     

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    Its obvious that Snyder has wanted to incorporate black into the team identity for some time, and there are some fans that really like it but what they went with is pretty bad. The camo patterns on the sleeves and collar will never be seen unless you're standing right next to the players, and that helmet is so bad. For my version, I wanted to make it look like it could still be from the same team so I went with a recolored set of the standard uniforms. I did like the addition of the DC flag on one sleeve and the alternate patch on the other, so I moved them up to the shoulders to make room for the traditonal sleeve stripes. I also like the wordmark on the left chest and stencil style numbers to tie into the military theme so I retained those.

     

     

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    I may try and come up with a throwback look for another alternate but I'm pretty happy with this look so far.

    @Moseph To be honest, I wish your design for the Washington Commanders in this thread were the exact uniforms the Commanders unveiled on February 2. Your uniform design for the Commanders incorporates more of the team's history and tradition than what Washington unveiled on February 2. I mean, seriously? No gold on the white away uniforms? No pants striping on any set of pants? These concept uniforms look so much better than what they actually unveiled. I LOVE everything about these, from the restored gold facemask, the unified striping on the helmet, shoulder sleeves, pants and socks, to bringing back the font for "Washington" from the Washington Football Team days as part of the wordmark, and more. You really should work for Nike. You nailed these uniform concepts. I grade these uniform concepts a 10/10. Nice work!

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  18. 9 hours ago, Foxxtrot44 said:

    Honestly, as a Utah Jazz fan, I have no idea why the team even feels the need to go through yet another rebranding process. The colors were perfect as is when the current uniforms were unveiled in 2016. That said, I do know how oxymoronic it is to have a pro sports team called the "Utah Jazz", since we all know there's no history of jazz music in Utah, and the team name dates back to when the team was founded in New Orleans in 1974. That also said, I wish the team's owner would be more willing and open to giving the team name back to New Orleans, and coming up with a new team name, logos, uniforms and overall brand process that most represents Utah.

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  19. On 1/24/2022 at 3:29 AM, truepg said:

    Having All-Star uniforms feels like nothing more than a money-grab. It was more interesting indeed when everyone played in their teams' uniform. I can see some justification, if they're based on the host team's identity. Otherwise no.

    I agree with this 100%. I feel like the NBA should revert the All-Star Game format back to Eastern Conference vs. Western Conference, and should allow players representing their conference to wear their team's uniform design in the All-Star Game, like how it was from 1997-2002. The only catch is that when the All-Star Game is based in a Western Conference city, the Western Conference All-Stars (including those from the Los Angeles Lakers) should wear their team's white Association Edition uniform design in that particular game.

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  20. On 1/13/2022 at 10:18 AM, pitt6pack said:

     

    My guess would be an orange endzone, since the Bengals wordmark is black at home.

    Black would be the other option, and I think that would be better.

    Here's those two options:

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    I have a feeling as well. Both Packers and Bills get over the hump? That was my prediction February of last year (as seen above), so I'm sticking with it.

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    Hey @pitt6packwould it be possible to get a concept artwork for a possible Super Bowl LVI field matchup between the Tennessee Titans and the Green Bay Packers?

  21. 3 hours ago, AgentColon2 said:

    At least it isn’t on this level bad.

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    I agree. I mean, it's bad enough that the NBA allowed a team like the Seattle SuperSonics (whom it barely acknowledges any more on NBA.com) to relocate from Seattle, Washington to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma in 2008 to become the Oklahoma City Thunder, with this all-time hideous logo.

  22. On 1/9/2022 at 4:38 PM, Cujo said:

     

    Now show me a records book that was drawn up 1996 or 1997. The Ravens will have the same records and same lineage as the Cleveland Browns. Everything, at the time, carried over to Baltimore. It wasn't until the '99 Expansion Browns were announced that the NFL decided to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

    I don't think I can find a record book that old; however, I did find this URL reference (via the Wayback Machine) from November 12, 1996:
    NFL.COM Browns News (archive.org)
    It says, in quotes:
    "Cleveland Browns logo, colors and heritage: The heritage and records, including the Browns’ name, logo, colors, history, playing records, trophies and memorabilia, will remain in Cleveland as property of the Cleveland Browns franchise."
    It's generally understood as fact that the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens are two separate teams, and that the Ravens were established as an EXPANSION team that began play in 1996, whereas the Browns suspended operations from 1996 through 1998, before rejoining the NFL in 1999. 

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