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  1. As much as I despise gradients in uniforms. somehow, the gradient numbers on the Rams uniform aren't the worst part, at least to me. Don't get me wrong...I still hate it here. There's little reason for it. But with it being "confined" to the numbers only (and not the full gradient uniform mess like the Falcons), it can slip by a little more...unnoticed. For me the real issues with the uniform remain the funky bone color, the hard-to-distinguish bone-yellow-white patterns on the road with little blue to help out, the absolutely stupid patches that feel like "HELLO MY NAME IS..." patches slapped, and the odd incongruity between road and homes. The gradients are bad, but they're behind those issues for me. I still don't like the new segmented horns either, but that's lower on the list then the gradients. I've said previously that I think there's a good uniform in there, but too many poor choices ruin the entire package. Given some time to process, the feeling remains the same. Just feels like an attempt at an overdesign and an inability to constrain. Any one of the "new" things could have been generally acceptable or passable (unless they went with a classic uniform and gradients, that probably doesn't work) in some fashion, but adding them all in together creates an over designed feel. Almost as if during the process "no" was outlawed. "Gradients?" Sure. "No gradients?" Sure, that too. "White?" Sure. "Off white?" Sure. "New horn?" Sure. "Yellow?" Sure. "Patches?" Sure. "Patch should say Rams". Sure. "How about Los Angeles too?" Sure. "How are we going to do all of this?" Well, we have two uniforms, so one can have some of that, and the other can have the other stuff.
  2. I don't want to speak for any other poster, but I'm definitely in the "I don't like the name, but I like the visual package" camp, and perhaps how I feel about the two is how they do, as well. While I recognize that the name "Kraken" is the egg that hatched the visual package, I don't think it's fair to say if I like the chicken, I have to like the egg, as well. When I say I don't like the name, but I like the uniform/logo, I mean it more in a "wow, I'm surprised they came up with a professional looking visual identity for a name that lends itself so easy to garishness". There's an alternate world right now where the Seattle Kraken released a uniform that has a big ass cephalopod on it, breaking a hockey stick, and tentacles for hem stripes, and the logo is that same big ass cepholopod. I would imagine there was at least some version of something like this discussed at some point in the creation of the logo from someone (not saying it was taken seriously, but I have a feeling someone brought up...something with less...restraint...once. Get a big enough group together, someone's bound to go that direction). So I think you can section them off. I think you can like or dislike a name, while also liking or disliking the uniform/logo set. I like the name Lightening in a vacuum while also finding the uniforms right now bland (and lacking black, a color I think they should go back to owning). For the last handful of seasons I've liked the Coyote name, while finding their uniforms on the weak side. And conversely, I dislike the name Kraken, but applaud the team and the design crew for using a hell of a lot of restraint to deliver a uniform that is genuinely sharp, fairly unique in their color palette (though, frankly, still wish we had a Sockeyes' team in a coral/salmon+seafoam green, but I digress), and a logo that creatively uses negative space to create a mystery (and one I would hope Seattle never solves. The mystery is the restraint). I still find the name hokey. But the uniforms professional. And while I think there was a strong ability for it not to have to be an either/or situation and get both, if the team's going to have one part professional, and the other hokey-ish, I'd rather it be this way around, than a solid name and a stupid uniform, as well.
  3. I've made it clear I just dont like the name and why, but despite that the best thing they have done with the brand is leave the Kraken as unseen. Outside of a single tentacle in the negative space and a red eye, we have no concept of what we are dealing with. Keeping that is important, I think. As much as I can say the name might have a hokey/campy feel the visual identity of the team is quite professional and they've taken what really could easily be a garrish minor league brand and elevated it to being on par with the NHL. The second we see the Kraken is the second I fear it on merch. Once on merch, then comes a 3rd uniform with a big ass Kraken. I think the thin line between and minor league brand and an NHL brand with this name is keeping the mystery. It gives it that extra step. I hope we never see it. As long as they can keep line, I think the team can transcend an iffy name.
  4. I live in a world of middle schoolers who look at me like I speak Japanese when I say "did you turn your homework in?" This does not offend me in the slightest.
  5. Oh I was expanding on it. Not disagreeing! Definitely on the side of "it resonated because it was appropriate".
  6. Even more so when you remember that Charlotte, lost the Hornets, then, got a new team, named something completely different, then demanded a return of the Hornets. I'd argue the name that resonated the most is that. By a damn mile.
  7. I do not disagree that in a vacuum, the mythical Kraken, the giant squid, is objectively cool. It is. It's a big scary sea monster that eats boats or whatever. I'm in, man. There's a part of me that so much wants to love this name. But in the end, whether the team started with Release the Kraken, or didn't, it's clear where it sits in their identity. I don't think it matters if it started there, it matters that it's ending there...because it gives the illusion that's the root. And I think if it wasn't the absolute foundation, it was among it. It's why it did well in the voting, I'd guarantee it. And the team recognizes it. It's why their store is called...Release the Kraken. It's why all their stuff says it on there. It's why they said it, like, 10 times in the unvail. It's why I can download a Desktop Wallpaper with it plastered on it. Whether or not it is the seed reasoning, it's apart of their identity. And whether they mean it or not...they do sound like they're just trying to be cool harder then needed to be. So intentional or not, it adds a cringe factor in. When you take all of that together...it has that same feel of an MiLB team picking something big and brash. It feels like it's trying just...a modicum too hard for me...to capture something in pop culture. And it feels less like a badass name at that point. And more of...something...much less.
  8. And the difference there is that locally, the Florance Y'alls make sense. There's a whole thing behind that. Outside of Florance, yeah, it sounds like the redneck Yankees, but to Florence itself...there's actually a reason they're named Y'alls (tldr; there's a water tower that says it right across the highway. Why does a watertower say that? Well, it's a long story and I'm a lazy guy). So there's more than a meme here. With the Kraken it feels like they looked over and we're all like "Dave, got any ideas?" and Dave just went "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if we just said Release the Kraken? That'd make for a cool name, and a thing, right?" and they went with it. And I feel like that's why it consistently did so well in the vote. It's hokey and campy. Feels more at home, as you said, as a Beer League team, or a creation on NHL20, and less the actual name of an NHL franchise. It feels so desperately like the Seattle identity is yelling "hey guys, we get memes. See? We're hip. We're cool." Like the 45 year old guy at the hipster party drinking PBR because the college kids are. Thankfully they did a good job with the visual brand. It certainly belongs in the NHL, I feel, from a logo package/uniform design. Credit to those guys. They took what could have been a disaster and came out with a very subdued set in that ilk. But I just feel like the whole thing is grounded in such, cringey "we're cool" vibes that I cringe myself at the name.
  9. I just want to say, that I call shenanigans. I've been calling my fantasy football team "Football Team" for literally years. I'm not mad for some sort of stupid psudo-copyright thing, but simply because I've just lost the novelty of naming my team that, and people will now think I'm riffing off this. Thanks for ruining my Thursday, Washington.
  10. I would assume Clash of the Titans as it was the original. Pirates was clearly referencing Clash when they did it. Point is...the reason people feel the name is a bit hokey and see it as a call back to the movie is because the team has embraced that in their identity and marketing of the identity. They steered into it, so its front and center. Which I think has a positive and negative effect. It's got the positive effect of getting people across the nation to want a hat or a shirt today so they can say they have a "Release the Kraken" thing. My friend has a Montgomery Biscuits hat, my girlfriend loves the name Sod Poodles. We live no where near those two cities. So it's good for marketing. But I think it also has a negative perception of the name as well. It sounds..a bit hokey. And as a Seattle outsider, it just...feels like a team name built from the foundation of "Man wouldn't it be cool if everyone yelled RELEASE THE KRAKEN!?" I'm sure many like it and have that right. But the foundation really sounds...like it was that. And it turns me off as a uniform/branding nerd.
  11. I think the difference here, however, is that the team is leading the charge, making the connection to the movie, Clash of the Titans. "Release the Kraken" is front and center of their brand. I can download the Release the Kraken official Seattle Kraken desktop wallpaper right now if I want. So the team clearly is steering the ship in that direction. They're bringing it on themselves. I would agree they did a good job with subtlety. This could have been a mess with tentacle stripes and a big ass Kraken crest. They get points there for an NHL level logo and uniform. Visually, it's an NHL team. But I also think the intention is clear that the team drew inspiration from the movie, and want to remind you of that movie, as well. Which helps make it a hokey name. And should be negative points based on the name. They could have steered away from the hokey name. Instead they've packed their branding with it.
  12. While I agree in the sense that I'd rather the team look good then be named good, I think there was a perfectly reasonable situation in which the Seattle franchise had both. They at least skewed the correct direction, but it didn't have to be an either/or situation. I think there's a world where they go with Sockeye, have a primary salmony-red and seafoam green uniform, and bang it home on both fronts. I'm also not sure I agree that the dislike is because it isn't shocking. I don't like it because it sounds like something one of my middle-schoolers would create on NHL 20 for a name. "Oh, hey, you know how we watched Clash of the Titans that one day in school!? Yeah, well now when my team on a video game scores, I yell...I yell...RELEASE THE KRAKEN. Clever, huh?" "Cool, Tim, where's your homework? It's like a week late..." I think the team has a clever logo, a uniform that looks solid, but has an ECHL level name that could come back and bite the team in some time. Hopefully it doesn't for their sake. I just think this was a golden opportunity, and they had some great ideas, but there's...and I can't tell if I mean this pun in a cringey way or not...an anchor that seems to be holding back the entire package from being great.
  13. I don't think Sockeye would have been felt as more "gimmicky" than the Kraken nationally, I think everyone gets the Kraken gimmick here. If they didn't #ReleaseTheKraken wouldn't be trending. I think many people outside of Seattle would be have thought it was more boring (which I think a unique color scheme could have aided greatly with) That said, Seattle shouldn't be chasing the guy in Pittsburgh who's going to buy a Kraken hat today and then never care about the Seattle NHL franchise ever again. That's a one time purchase. I think Seattle should be trying to capture the Seattle market long term. Which is why I fear the gimmick of Kraken will wear off with a loser. There's no PNW connection, and once the "Aw :censored:, Release the Kraken!" crew have their one shirt or hat they barely wear, you have to wonder how much it'll resonate with the city. Or how much it'll backfire on the national stage when they're not good and they have that gimmick. Again, if they're a winner for a while, they can likely build a kitchsy "winner" vibe. But that seems like a pretty big gamble on a gimmick.
  14. I also think what hurt the Pelicans, however, is a lack of interesting uniforms and logos. They came out, bland as hell after the New Orleans Hornets had all of those crazy mardi gras colors, and what not. Navy and red (even with the gold) felt like a downgrade visually. The uniforms themselves weren't special, or great. They were...there. A sockeye team in Salmon-Red and Seafoam primaries? I think it creates that unique visual identity that the Pelicans lacked. And would have solved some of those issues. I actually feel like they did play it safe here, speaking. I think they could have come out with almost any logo/color that didn't look like a 4 year old drew it and you'd have sold merch upfront with Release the Kraken trending on twitter and people excited to yell that nationally. "Fire!" or whatever. If you want immediate attention, Kraken kind of is the safe route. It garners immediate eyes on product. I think from a merch standpoint and a press standpoint, Kraken definitely has some ground and a strong identity to it. I think Sockeye is a much harder national sell, making it, honestly, the less safe option. At least from a "today" stand point.
  15. Well, as I've said, the logo is NHL quality, when I was speaking of the name, it was simply the name, because it mostly is. These types of names have been almost exclusively reserved for those levels. There are examples where they haven't been, but generally speaking, it would fit far more in to those landscapes. I also don't deny that the Browns concept is a bit boring. It is. But it also looks good when done right. And theres a ton of history with the Browns. It's why they came back. I don't particularly think a look must be "exciting" for it to be good. The Cubs nor the Yankees have exciting visual identities. The Yankees are navy and white with a flash of gray. They have interlocking N and Y. And stripes. No one thinks "Oh boy here we go!" on that except for that it's the same basic identity they've had but done so as a winner. I think the Kraken, however, are chasing that "exciting" look. Like the Toronto Raptors were of the 90s. "Look guys, it's a DINOSAUR! Ooooooh!" as they chased a Jurassic Park vibe. The Browns can survive losing with a bland look (not that garbage they had been wearing), because it's traditional, easy on the eyes, and has some history. There's no gimmick there. The Browns are a "blue color team for a blue color town" or whatever. However the Kraken are chasing a gimmick. It only works if they are tough, mysterious and, well scary. If they're terrible there's no gimmick there. They'll look foolish. So I don't disagree, a perception can change with winning, but I think it's more important when you come out, chasing a gimmick. I do fear that with a decade of misery in Seattle to start, that the gimmick will wear off amazingly fast, and you'll be left with a kitschy name and a team no one in Seattle is jazzed about "releasing" (except, releasing players back to the FA market). If that happens, I think this name completely backfires. Which is why I'd have preferred them to go something more traditional. Sockeyes doesn't have the same visual acuity, the same "initial" excitement or twitter-hashtag ability, but I also think a bad Sockeye team isn't chasing a gimmick (as long as they didn't steer into the Sock someone in the Eye, thing).