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PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
You mean the PWHPA players, who were actually the smaller pool, when compared to the PHF ones. And they can push all they want. At the end of the day, business decisions are a league decision. They have the money, and it's their money on the line. The buck stops there. Players don't always know what's best for the league or the sport, just their portion, which is significant but hardly the whole. If this is the best this leadership can do, honestly the best, how is it in any way so far superior to the PHF? -
AHL/ECHL/Minor/Junior League Hockey Changes
BeerGuyJordan replied to Dante_X's topic in Sports Logo News
They've announced they're expanding it to all three games this weekend. As grateful as I am for even having hockey in Tucson, I am so disappointed with the Roadrunners lack of fun specialty jerseys, especially when I see the Firebirds killing it. -
PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
The Pride, Whitecaps, Riveters, and Force died to make way for these atrocities. I really want to root for the PWHL, and hoped when they killed the PHF that it was to make way for a better vision for the women's game. It feels like this league is one step forward, two steps back for women's hockey. If the PWHL wants to tout itself as a professional, top-tier product, it should really start acting like it. -
PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
Because they appear to be trying to out bad business the NHL, at this point? -
Unless I'm mistaken, it's just pitches that'd move away from human calls. They'd still have humans to do the rest.
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They're my wife's team. After all the times I've seen them get mercilessly shellacked, I'm fine with it. Especially when it's Chicago on the receiving end. They showed no mercy to anyone during their dominance in the early to mid 10's.
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PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
The one caveat to that stance I would offer is the home viewing. Their video quality the last season on ESPN+ was better than most AHL teams, and better that what the Coyotes have since Bally fell through and you have to watch them on Laff. Not sure how many other NHL teams are in that boat. Them taking advantage of Arizona's arena mess and having their final there last season was inspired. They got access to NHL quality media infrastructure at an affordable price for their first nationally televised game. Don't get me wrong, I really want this league to work, I just can't understand paying what they did to not take advantage of what they could. It's bad business, and setting my personal attachments aside doesn't instill confidence in their ability to not run this sport's umpteenth league into the ground. -
PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
I've been following since day one. The PHF was far from perfect, and had some really questionable moves: the Rivs playing in a mall, the Force being homeless their first season, communication between league management and the teams, etc. That said, there are more than a couple big successes in their wins column. Their ESPN+ deal was a huge plus. And provided the first reliably watchable seasons yet for thise not able to get to games. Fan engagement was great, but that's not something the league itself should get credit for, as the teams were doing the heavy lifting. They were making real headway in sponsorship and salary, and their inroads with Euro and Asian players could have been a major asset to the PWHL. Their identities were beloved by the fanbases in most of their markets. The Rivs were just great. The Whitecaps weren't the best, but they had more than 20 years of tradition and brand recognition. Killing them feels idiotic. I wasn't a huge fan of the Pride identity, but the locals seemed to love it. The Six were a bad idea executed well, and the Force were serviceable, but I don't have strong feelings about letting them go. ESPN was reportedly happy with their championship telecast numbers and the rumor was they had agreed to air a best of three series next season. There are a lot of areas where the new league is zero sum compared to the old, but there are a lot of foundations already laid they could have built on as well. Womens sports have a hard enough time gaining traction. The PWHL wants to kill the PHF so badly that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. The sport, its players, and the fans deserve better. Salient point, but as I understand it, some level of discussion had been ongoing ever since the split and they always fell apart. Carey and the rest deserve the vitriol they are getting for blindsided everyone with the execution. Not explaining the negotiations every step of the way and planning on actually playing next season isn't where I'm upset. -
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Fantastic design! I'd hate to see them pare Peyote down to just the head as a full-time look, but either of these as an alternate would be a solid move.
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Fun concept. Maybe it's because I'm in phone, but your purple looks a little more blue than the shade they teased. I don't think it'd look bad with the one they released, but it might lose a tad of the cohesiveness.
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PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
It's a shame they didn't already own the rights to a name in Montreal that already met that brief, and had a solid logo that tied into French-Canadian heritage. -
Let's be clear, summers here suck too. Mid October to mid May are great, but June through August are brutal.
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PWHL Branding and Uniforms 2023-24
BeerGuyJordan replied to spartacat_12's topic in Sports Logo News
I don't think they're deliberately trying to run it into the ground. I think just so focused on doing it their way that they don't care about making bad decisions, so long as they're different decisions than the PHF. They bought that league, all of it's assets, connections, identities, and contracts. In business, when you buy a more established brand, it's usually to use its successes. The PWHL bought the PHF so they could make sure it was killed in its entirety. Which makes killing the PHF all the more infuriating. They were making real strides for the women's game. We're there bad decisions? Yes, but they'd spent 8 years learning and building. Throwing out the baby with the bath water just so your side could win killed a lot of trust and goodwill right out of the gate. Yep. This league will have fewer players who are being paid less than last season in the PHF, all while increasing the player pool by about 75%. They hung players out to dry. Killed brands with built-in fanbases for ego rather than make the business decision to build on them. All the branding info so far has been inferior to what came before. I tried to give them the benefit of doubt initially, but every time I turn around they're making bad decisions. -
Yeah, I get that. When I made it, the statement was more of a "you're embracing sports betting to a large degree, let's be clear where your lines are as to how much you've embraced them. What is severe enough to warrant half a season, but not so bad to boot the kid entirely?" As far as I'm aware, there's been no real attempt to make this explicitly clear. And "having deals" feels like a gross undercharacterization of the deluge of sports betting ads fans are hit with while watching games, at least here in the states.