jgiff17

Ok then...I know the MAC is not great but has the big 12 kind of set themselves up for an eastern expansion with such a gap between West Virginia and the rest of the members? I understand the money and trying to wait till the end but for a conference that was almost dismantled a few years back I would think they should be leading the pack in adding schools that will bring money and expand the states the conference is in. I sure do miss the days where conferences were somewhat regional not spread from nearly sea to shining sea. And as for the expansion the playoff didn't help anything once it basically came out that the big 5 will still get "automatic bids" and then the best of the rest would get theirs. The smaller market schools will do anything to get into a super conference and the conferences will add any school that widens its footprint...it's madness and what we are going to end up with is the big 5 having 16 teams each as well as the big east at 16 an then you just need a couple more conferences to keep the other 24-? Super small schools entertained. So basically all 6 super conferences at that time will play each other every year

Will the big 12 grab Houston like they did tcu from the huge east/America??! It would be only to reestablish south Texas and keep up with super conferencing

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north. Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar. O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII. How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time. O I apologize, didn't know that research was a prerequisite to post hypothetical statements on an open forum. I dream of a place that we can freely post our visions of the future of college football and discuss the present happenings, but I guess you sir have it all figured out so we shall all sit in amazement as you tell us exactly what is going to occur in the future with research that you have conducted because I'm sure that if I do research on your postings I'll find that you, before anyone else, stated exactly what was going to happen in detail concerning the movement in college football...if you don't care for the statements I or anyone else makes then don't respond but if you do maybe cool off on acting as if by research anyone in this forum could have foretold anything that has happened recently. I came here to discuss and learn further on how others felt about not only my views, but that of others and everything going on in the sport that I love. Do I have to be a genius on every team or every issue? If I was I wouldn't be here. So stop dictating as to what or who is acceptable here. If you have the info then provide it, if you or someone already posted the info then share the wealth brother don't try to talk down. We are all here by our own choice and that's because we all share the same love for the sport of college football and what is going on with it so we should all be on the same team. Sorry if there are grammar errors...it's a friggin board who really cares? Well when you make personal statements and assumptions about someone simply because they have a different opinion than yours, you kind of bring it on yourself. Maybe the use of emoticons need to be used more to lighten the mood haha. I do not know you or anything about you to make true statements and I only assumed you were aware that the normal college student does not have the financial ability to travel by air every weekend to support their team(s). And my assumption wasn't a bad one...ok so what do you believe/or want to occur with the big east, cusa, mw, etc?

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north. Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar. O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII. It didn't. Money did. Currently, TCU receives $1M/year in TV rights fees from the current MWC contract (which goes through 2016; no renegotiation going on there when games get a 0.14 rating on CBS Sports Network) If they played a game in the Big East, they would get approx. $10M/year in TV right fees from that conference's current TV deal which ends in 2013. By going to the Big XII, they will receive at least $15M/year in TV right fees for the next six years. The only thing which playing locally does for TCU is ensures that they will have Amon Carter seat 50,000 since they can easily get donors to pledge the money to get to that capacity as well as they know that they will have sellouts for conference home games. Thank you. I know money always plays a part in all of this madness. Do you believe tcu would have made the move to the big XII if Pitt and su would have stayed in the big east and the big XII would not have agreed to share the tv tier 1 and 2 money equally? I just can't seem to believe that tcu would have went to the big east when the conference in their own backyard would have come calling even if it was in a worse state than the big east.

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north. Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar. O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII. How does me stating that geography isn't much of a priority, with clear common knowledge evidence to back it up, mean I have fat pockets? As a matter of fact I don't. And TCU just NOW chose the Big XII after choosing the Big Easy last year. Only reason they're switching now is because the Big XII has a better longevity outlook (not by much) than the Big East, which may cease to exist very soon. Do some research first before posting next time. O I apologize, didn't know that research was a prerequisite to post hypothetical statements on an open forum. I dream of a place that we can freely post our visions of the future of college football and discuss the present happenings, but I guess you sir have it all figured out so we shall all sit in amazement as you tell us exactly what is going to occur in the future with research that you have conducted because I'm sure that if I do research on your postings I'll find that you, before anyone else, stated exactly what was going to happen in detail concerning the movement in college football...if you don't care for the statements I or anyone else makes then don't respond but if you do maybe cool off on acting as if by research anyone in this forum could have foretold anything that has happened recently. I came here to discuss and learn further on how others felt about not only my views, but that of others and everything going on in the sport that I love. Do I have to be a genius on every team or every issue? If I was I wouldn't be here. So stop dictating as to what or who is acceptable here. If you have the info then provide it, if you or someone already posted the info then share the wealth brother don't try to talk down. We are all here by our own choice and that's because we all share the same love for the sport of college football and what is going on with it so we should all be on the same team. Sorry if there are grammar errors...it's a friggin board who really cares?

We can only dream...it would be great to see a concept of the conferece logo

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north. Geography is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. And apparently neither is your grammar. O great sir I did not know these posts were being graded. I promise my essay on Monday will be much mo betta than me comments on this here message bord o great one!! Haha and on geography, I guess some people on here make that argument, as well as history a big deal when it fits into their posts and some are disconnected enough from the open road because of their fat pockets that buying a plane ticket to 4 or more away games is not a big of a deal (I'm assuming you are well off enough to pull this off). This does not include just football travel though, how about the fans, friends, and family that want to travel with the team every week in whatever sport they choose to follow? Guess you have fat enough pockets for them as well. Guess geography had nothing to do with tcu choosing one seemingly weakening conference for another esp when they could have dominated the big east every year as compared to the big XII.

Ucf is the only one of those schools that makes since logisticallyish since it is in the east. This is why I loved the fact that tge PAC 12 turned down expansion is that the big XII is great with having tight quarters and tcu was the only correct fit. Byu is a little out there and so is louisville but there really aren't anymore choices unless they want to grab tulane or smu and Houston to push Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to the north.

Big XII schools grabbing Texas from within...tcu Baylor tech Texas outside of Texas okla okla state etc. Sec...A&M. So y'all would choose mizzou over Houston?

Houston gives sec a staple in the state of Texas much less the best recruiting hot bed. A&M doesn't give you Houston, it gives you college station, SA, etc. Houston gives you old SWC rivalries, close travel, sticks with the whole SOUTH portion of the conference title, a top metropolis that is always hungry for good football. With the addition of tcu to the big XII it just neutralizes the A&M move. Time will tell but if Houston can promise a new stadium and renovated Basketball arena then it should be considered given not only success in football in SWC era and present, but baseball as well and basketball history.

Their biggest issues are a small stadium so less $$$ for the gate and that I am pretty sure that Stanford, Berkeley, USC, and UCLA do not want to be in the same conference with an institution whose six year undergraduate graduation rate (for all students) is just 26%! Now you want to throw out some academics?! Haha that's pretty friggin horrible but has any of these moves really considered academics or any other sports within the schools?! The NCAA might need to step in and just have 8 regionally based 10 teams divisions that each division winner gets into an 8 team playoff. Is this too horrible to do?! Only now does the traditions and history of the conferences seems to not matter as much anymore so why not?!

Hahaha well reality has been much more drastic and unsuspecting than that won't you agree?

The big 12 has to go after notre dame hard and I'm not against adding smu as the 12th school. This will allow ok state to head to the north division and have some real tough competition in both division much less the conference championship. With the addition of tcu the league should stay at 10 until they can add at least another bcs team to compete with the front runners every year.

Boise state should have gotten in the PAC 12 rather than Colorado...but I am certain that the PAC 12 will expand they just probably noticed that Texas okla are a tad bit outta the way and the costs to travel would take away from the large amount of money being made. They will expand once the big 12 is solidified again so they won't have to choose between Boise state and Texas. They will add and should add byu and Boise state. I think thats where it should stop. Those two teams are logistically ok and will only bring the PAC ## to SEC level once the depth of talent catches up to the rest of the PAC schools

Why not Houston to the SEC along with Louisville and west Virginia one the big east collapses? Houston evens out the west and gives a&m, lsu close comp and they are about to finalize plans on a brand new stadium (and renovation of arena) and will more than likely play in reliant for a couple of years until it's completed. West Virginia and Louisville not only bring in good comp in football, they raise the bar even higher in basketball. Louisville and Kentucky are rivals. Houston area has some of the best high school recruits in the country. Thoughts anyone?