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22 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

Agreed. Childhood me has a lot of fond memories of Harlan as the play-by-play voice of the expansion Minnesota Timberwolves back in '89. 

Same. He was outstanding for the Wolves.

I enjoy Gus Johnson as a neutral fan. I can't stand him when my team is playing...

4 hours ago, BBTV said:

How the F do they not have dandelion outlines on the white jersey?  They completely took a crap on the traditions that they no only claimed that they were going to maintain, but still claim that they did maintain.

 

For better or for worse, the NFC East is one of the more traditional divisions, and now they stand out like a bruised and bloody thumb.  

 

The "using a driver for a 3" put" analogy is pretty spot on.  They could have just done a Jaguars to "tear it down to bare bones" and then built it back up over time.

This.  I could maybe get on board with the burgundy primary if the white uniform looked like it was part of the same set. The  jerseys look like they belong to three different teams (The Commanders, Arizona State, and the Arizona Cardinals).  This change took, what, four times as long as the Guardians change and I'd say the Guardians did a lot better.  They actually maintained the franchise's traditional look, unlike 2/3 of this junk.

To top it all off, they missed a layup.  All they really needed to do was take the WFT uniforms and put the "W" on the helmet.  

• Name: B. It's not great, but it's a lot to ask of a team to really hit the name out of the park.
• Burgundy Uniform: B-. It's servicable.  If the rest of the set matched it, I would not think of them as one worst looking teams in the NFL.  However...
• Alternate Uniforms: D. I could deal with one being worn once a year with the burgundy helmet. It's not necessary but it would not be the end of the world. But throw on the black helmet and tradition is dead.
• White Uniform: F.  No yellow. Silly diamond/gradient pattern. Looks more like the AZ Cardinals than the Commanders.  
• Burgundy Helmet: B. Unspectacular but nice enough.
• Black Helmet: F. Unnecessary even if it was designed well. And a bad sign of what's to come in the NFL.

This really seems like a college identity with a dash of NBA. No team in NFL history has looked further apart between their dark and white looks.

5 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

Unfortunately, the problem is with it in place a lot of the popular throwbacks that would need new shells just can't happen (like Bucco Bruce or Pat Patriot), so it's kinda a lose-lose situation.

I like some of those throwbacks too but I still want to each team to have a single helmet as a primary identifier. And it looks like that might be going away for some teams. I will like to see Bucco Bruce once a year but I don’t think it is worth seeing identities like this be watered down.

Well, we wanted the one-helmet rule gone.  And it looks like the commanders are going to take the new rule out for a spin. If they  are really going to wear the black helmet with the white uniform, then this is not really a team with an identifiable helmet. They will have two helmets that are roughly equal.

This is why I was always happy that the one-helmet rule existed.  The helmet is about to take a step down in its role in NFL team identifies.

The trolling worked perfectly. Now things like this Nebraska logo will change and people can express outrage at how meaningless things change. It really is brilliant. People also flash it as a white power sign and there's just enough plausible deniability, enabling them to say "gawd, now the Nebraska logo? Are they just going to cancel everything now?" I don't actually know what 4-chan is...I've always suspected it was actually used as a white power signal with the added benefits of ambiguity, plausible deniability, and (most importantly) trolling.

"These adults are playing the circle game."

As an aside, I think the #1 looks better than the "OK," anyway.

Brett Mahomes 

Back when it was sudden death - FG wins it, I feel like most people here and in general (anecdotal observations, obviously) thought that was the right way to do it. At this point, I don't see anyone clamoring to go back; they seem to have adjusted to at least making it a TD. Certainly almost nobody liked college OT, which I think has gained a little traction since then.

I think other sports have easier ways to do OT.   It's difficult in football to try to manage potential objectives:

• Integrity of the game (College OT loses this by not having kickoffs or sustained drives)
• Fairness (College OT probably is the best for this)
• Manageable game length for viewers and player safety
• Avoiding ties (score one more for college; at least vs. regular season NFL)

Honestly, in regular season I think the expendable things are fairness and avoiding ties. Obviously in the playoffs, you have to avoid ties and I think fairness becomes more important to some...

I'd keep it like it is for the regular season.  Integrity and length are intact. I can live with ties.  More fair than sudden death-FG wins. Then for playoffs, I'd play one 15-minute quarter and if it's tied after that quarter, just keep playing untimed until someone scores. Still advantageous for the team that wins the flip? Yeah but not nearly as much.

I'd be curious to see OT trends...of course that's difficult since the current rules haven't been around that long.

Even with the old sudden death OT rule, I think the coin-flip winner was like 52%. But as defense gets more and more hamstrung, I wonder if that coin flip becomes more and more important.  Yesterday, I think both defenses were gassed and there was going to be a TD on the first drive either way.  Yeah, Buffalo had their chances, but the coin flip seems really important.

This weekend came within 13 seconds of seeing four road teams win. If ever there was a year for an out-of-nowhere team to win, this feels like it.  At this point, the smart money is probably on KC but at this point, I think all four teams have a shot...particularly with Greasy Aaron and Brady out.

And while Rodgers and Brady are the two elder-statesmen of QB greatness, there are some good ones still around...Joe Burrow has something intangible ("swagger," I guess)...I think he's going to win a Super Bowl some day (even though he plays where he plays). Mahomes is obviously great. And it's good to see Stafford play well in meaningful games. Garapolo...well 3/4.  

The three guys who I look forward to watching are Burrow, Allen, and Herbert. 

Anyway, I think the Bengals have a shot and it's because of Burrow. But ultimately, I'll go KC over LA.

Packers vs. the Field. I'll take the Packers.

Imagine being a Steelers fan and having to sit through that. That was one of the most amazing and intriguing regular season games I’ve ever seen.

I don’t think I have ever cheered so hard for a tie before.

This game is amazing and a tie would be an awesome way for Roethlisberger’s career to end.

How often do expansion teams run into copyright problems? The Guardians hit a couple of bumps on the road and now it feels like just about every WFT option has concerns.  Is this common? I suppose when you name your team "Minnesota Wild," you're not in too much danger.

Maybe play it safe and go with "Capitol City Extreme."

I think it's going to be Washington Football Team.

Dennis Green was a generally successful head coach that came to the Vikings from Stanford.

It seems like there have been several high-profile disasters (Holtz, Spurrier, Saban, etc.) but I don't know that every one that doesn't win a Super Bowl is automatically bad.

I think the problem is that most successful coaches are at a place that just recruits better players than the majority of their opponents. There is no FCS or Vanderbilt in the NFL. So when they go to the NFL, the opportunity to get players is essentially equal. I don't think it means they could not be successful but it means they lose all their advantage.

You know in a really great game when people say it’s a shame that somebody had to lose the game? It is a shame that somebody had to win this game.
 

I hate the Vikings.

I wonder what proportion of the posts in the 411-page thread the Coyotes are responsible for.

There is currently one professional athlete that was drafted by the Montreal Expos. 

Tom Brady.

The worst franchise in the NFC beats the second-worst franchise in the NFC

I really like the color balance on those USF helmets. There was nothing worse then when they threw a black "U/Bull" on the gold helmet.

This probably would have looked better on a 1990s Riddell or Bike helmet but I can live with it.

So I live just a few miles from an outdoor World Cup Qualifier in January.  This is just stupid. Just play the games in San Diego and Phoenix ....

https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2021/11/24/22800605/usa-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-january-columbus-return-saint-paul-canada-away-hamilton

On 11/20/2021 at 3:26 PM, Ark said:

Lmaoooo that is hilarious.

 

The jersey says what it is

So the helmets say “helmet?”

I got nervous when I saw this but the Royals did not go too crazy. I didn't want gold/yellow to become prevalent.

All that said, I think it's a minor downgrade overall.  I'm not a fan of the thick sleeve stripe, particularly on the white jersey. I also prefer a script Kansas City. The new one doesn't work because 1) the way the "A" gets broken up and 2) the  unbalance with "Kansas" moving over to the left chest.

The Royals still look good but just a hair less good than they used to.

^^

I love double-outlines.

I guess my take on Rodgers is that he really can't handle criticism. He lied about being vaccinated so he would not face criticism. Once caught, he faced criticism and his response was to lash out. He should have just gone the Kirk Cousins route. Kirk takes some heat for his decision, too, but it hasn't dominated Viking news since summer.  But this is now a huge story because he just opened up almost every thought he has, including that he's a victim. I suppose I'm flying too close to the sun, but this is a great example of leaning on "woke" and "cancel culture" as a way paint himself as a victim of something that hasn't even happened yet. 

If they win the Super Bowl, he is going to be absolutely insufferable.