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OnWis97

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  1. Wait... Are you saying that cheering on Penn State is the equivalent of supporting child molestation? I cannot say what I'd do. But there are players who are working just as hard as other players at other schools. These players are playing for a Rose Bowl (in theory anyway) and are worthy of being cheered on. I don't see a problem with going to the game and cheering for them. On the other hand if Paterno, McQueery, and any others named are still on the sidelines, I can see wanting to protest that.
  2. Right on both counts, I'd guess. Minnesota basketball took a long time to recover from Clem Haskins's academic scandal. Some at Wisconsin think it took the hockey team a decade to recover from it's 1992 Nat'l title game loss (specifically the subsequent on-ice meltdown in berating the refs). This makes things like that look like nuthin'. There is no longer going to be a draw to going to Penn State. No "JoePa", no "Great Legacy" as that is tarnished. Just an uneasy feeling about a culture that will sweep something like this under the rug. If I was a PSU fan/alum, I'd take a 10 to 15 year recovery if offered. They might never recover. They might become Indiana and maybe, given the culture of football in that state, move up to Purdue/Northwestern/Wisconsin status. But the "big 4" programs of the Big Ten just became the "big 3" programs for some time and maybe forever. And yes, they brought it on themselves. If Paterno (and you cannot just blame him) and the rest of the Athletic Department/University would have nipped this in the bud, the program would have taken some bad press and looked bad for a while, but ultimately, it would have been one bad apple and "kudos to JoePa and the University for addressing it swiftly and appropriately." Covering up a bar fight to try to win games is one thing, but this! They made their bed when they turned their collective head.
  3. It's either this or that he is so timid that he just wanted to tell someone "higher up" and put it out of his mind, lazily assuming that he'd done his part and justice will now be served. Either way, it is absolutely charitable to call him "irresponsible". It's just flat out wrong...he's the witness. "Chain of command" has nothing to do with it; it's a legal matter and he's a witness to a horrible crime. At this point, we're all equals (because it's the law/society, not the coaching staff) and he owed those kids more. I suppose a 3rd option is that he condoned it, but I don't think so, or he'd not have even told Joe. Pretty spineless for a 28 year old man. This wasn't a "young man" who was new at this game. He was a man, and ultimately the one who enabled Sandusky more than anyone. The janitor who witnessed Sandusky giving a blow job to one of the kids did the same thing...discussed it with his co-workers but never reported it in fear of losing his job. He was a Korean war vet who said it was as traumatizing as his stint in the war itself...and his co-workers thought he was going to have a heartattack when he was telling them. The guy is now in stages of dementia in a nursing home and isn't fit to give testimony. Wow. It seems that a lot of people were hearing about this. It must have been circulating around PSU enough to be rumor with legs...Lots of people did not want to know... This may be, in a way, the most disheartening comment on humans; that so many just kind of tried to forget about it rather than address it.
  4. It's either this or that he is so timid that he just wanted to tell someone "higher up" and put it out of his mind, lazily assuming that he'd done his part and justice will now be served. Either way, it is absolutely charitable to call him "irresponsible". It's just flat out wrong...he's the witness. "Chain of command" has nothing to do with it; it's a legal matter and he's a witness to a horrible crime. At this point, we're all equals (because it's the law/society, not the coaching staff) and he owed those kids more. I suppose a 3rd option is that he condoned it, but I don't think so, or he'd not have even told Joe.
  5. I'd be willing to give JoePa the benefit of the doubt since he only heard second hand and did the legal duty, if not for the fact that Sandusky continued using PSU facilities for the next several years. If I was in Paterno's shoes, I know I'd be terribly uncomfortable with it. And even if he had reason to believe he could not go to the cops because he thought it had run its course, his "most powerful person at PSU" status means he could have, and should have, made sure he was not working with kids at PSU facilities. That status matters there more than it does with the original incident. There are probably a lot of people (particularly the GA) that should feel horrible about the original incident, but it's Paterno that had the power to at the very least cut Sandusky off from the University. And he did not. To steal from someone else in this thread...this could, and probably should, be his legacy. This football program is going to take a big step backwards now.
  6. I detest the Orioles cartoon bird and love the full-body bird (preferably from the early 1990s, though). Generally I prefer full body animal logos (Bengals leaping tiger, Lions bubbles, Coyotes alt) and it seems most of you prefer animal head logos. Also I love the matte college baseball helmets we saw a few months ago and matte football helmets. I also prefer the Angels' silver halo to the gold one.
  7. I LOVE the blue Arizona football helmet AND I HATE the white Arizona football helmet, particularly the asymmetry caused by the different colored stripe on each side.
  8. I have definitely seen a counterfeit jersey on a Twins "tickets still available" TV ad. Pretty much only us geeks can tell and since the majority of jerseys at Twins games are fake, it's really no surprise.
  9. If you believe the LA radio(?) guy on Mike and Mike's NFL Radio Program this morning, the Chargers are particularly likely...no stadium deal in SD (and not even close) and an in-place fan base...makes sense. They never talked about two teams going, but you'd have to think it's between the Rams and the Vikes (though I suppose they could move Jax and switch someone to the NFC). The Vikings have only one more year on the lease at the dome. The legislature just closed a particularly ugly session (ending one of the longest-if not the longest-state shutdowns in US history) and there are no plans. It is conceivable that the Vikes could announce their move before there is even another opportunity for a vote here. However, since Farmers won't open for another few years, Ziggy may take another shot or two at staying. It probably depends on how scared he is of losing the race to the Rams. My gut (and that's all I have to go on) is that the league wants to maintain the NFC North. The Vikings have been here for 50 years and have some history (most of it competitive and disappointing). However, my sense (again, mainly my gut) here is that the taxpayers feel that it's time to let the Vikings go. I'd say it's probably going to be the Chargers. Then maybe a 40-50% chance of the Vikes, a 40 - 50% chance of the Rams, with the rest that it's a different team or no second team.
  10. That place really has some variety. Where else can you get jerseys for "Miami Hot" and "Miamii Heat"? And where else when you click on those links can you but Timberwolves jerseys? In fairness, anyone would have to try to trick people in order to unload their Timberwolves jerseys.
  11. It would appear that way. While I can see, with all the rings they design, that there will be similar elements, the Auburn National Champ ring is downright lazy...To not only use the Pats design, but to have what looks like the Lombardi Trophy?
  12. That would have been awesome. It's exactly what I thought was going to happen when the trade was made. The uni change had not been announced (or, at least, I did not know about it). Even if it had been for one year, I'd really consider getting the yellow home version.
  13. "Pillsbury Throwboy" would make my top 10 sports nickname list. Kudos to whoever came up with that one.
  14. Can't speak for jerseys but I know that counterfeit Jordans and the like get a bum rap among the general public, so it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that many non-logo nerds would frown on fake jerseys. You'd find a mixed bag of people...many people did not understand why music file sharing was wrong...the music was free and that's all that mattered to them. However, I think you're right that some non-logo nerds that "get it" would be on "our side". Aside from the fact that CCLSC has some designers (who obviously take intellectual property issues to heart), the biggest difference between "us" and the general public is that most "regular" people don't notice incorrect number fonts, huge wordmarks, and even last names on Yankee Jerseys. Therefore, they don't notice that the majority of the jerseys they see at the game are counterfeit. If they did, some would care and some would not. And if you don't like that we notice that stuff, then I wonder why you are even here...
  15. Do you honestly think that everyone who owns a piece of counterfeit merchandise ends up in jail? If the biggest crime someone commits in his life is owning a piece of counterfeit merchandise, I would say his parents did a pretty great job of raising him. Counterfeit jerseys are a gateway drug...next stops armed robbery, assault and battery, and then finally murder I'd wager that most people don't care about theoretical infractions of property law. Yeah it's technically against the law like jaywalking or not transferring your old CDs to MP3 format, but really...big deal. Everyone who gets all hot and bothered about this should direct their energy to helping the sick or poor instead of defending the Yankees or whomever. OT: I assume the word "not" should be removed...is this illegal?
  16. He was proboly David Arios or whatever back then too And only half the man he is now.
  17. Agreed, I was mildly disappointed when I heard that news. I mean, it's good that they're recognizing it, but it just should've been a section in the yearbooks, the Wild Card isn't banner-worthy. In a sport that is, for now, the most difficult to make the playoffs, I am OK with such a banner. Maybe it would make more sense for, say, the Brewers, who have very few appearances compared to ATL. But in MLB, where getting in is the key, I am OK with this. What I cannot stand, however, is the phrase "Wild Card Champions." That is not a championship any more than "NBA Western Conference 7th Place Playoff Birth" is a championship.
  18. Yes. The football jersey photos did not look too bad, though they may have just stolen the photos from another site. I took a look at the Twins jerseys though, and they had the crap I see all over Target Field...Huge wordmarks, bad number font, pre-Target Field wordmark with target field patch. Awful. I'd guess everything's a fake, and probably a bad one. And take a look at this beaut: Haulat
  19. At Twins games, I would guess 2/3 of the jerseys I see look like the photo in the link: Link To anyone that said "they even have the authentic tags...they're real" You'll notice the authentic tag on these, even though it has the 2009 wordmark and the 2010 Target Field patch.
  20. I've definately seen two stores that I can think of with "too good to be true" prices. One had some pretty blatant fakes (a very temporary small-town downtown storefront owned-operated by one guy that I imagine is long-gone). The other was an "outlet" store with "authentic" Adrian Petersons for $80...they looked pretty good...but I am not the expert at picking out the well-done fakes. But I suspect they were fake at the price.
  21. Actually, that's not the case. When I order from NHLShop.com, I don't have to pay tax since there's no NHL Store in Indiana. You only have to pay tax if the retailer has a location in your state, and obviously CHINA JERSEYS 100% LEGIT doesn't have a location anywhere in Indiana. Plenty of crappy stripmall stores sell counterfiets and they probably do comply with the sales tax laws. (also in MN, no tax on clothing anyway)
  22. It's the same thing. Yes gucci has a monopoly on gucci purses...if you don't like spending hundreds on a purse, then buy another purse with no "designer cred" or whatever. They don't have the right, nor do they "need" such a purse any more than I have a right to or need an overpriced Adrian Peterson jersey. There are other purses out there, just like there are other clothes (and team memorabilia) out there. My wife, fortunately, is not into fashion purses. If she was, she'd decide whether it is worth the money or not. These purses make the jerseys seem flat out reasonable by comparison. Nevertheless, it's not anyone's right to have one and if that's the price the market has set...so be it. It's too bad anyone will pay $500 for a purse, but it is what it is. It does not render contributing to the culture of IP theft noble or even OK.
  23. Not being allowed to bring something in has always been a fear, as I show up to most games via public transportation. Like if I am coming from work with an umbrella or something... Anyway, this may be feasible but I think the teams would have to promote the heck out of it so as to not catch people by surprise. They may even have to have a "coat check" system where the fans can get it on the way out, as opposed to confiscating. The bottom line is that people feel they are paying a lot to go to the game and that they paid their hard-earned money for the jersey, which they did not even realize was "fake". I wonder whether one of the reasons they don't try this is that it's hard to not find enough "enforcers" that can actually tell the difference. Another problem the "enforcers" may have is the person that ruins a perfectly legit item with a sloppy customization...they may bust someone with a licensed product. I certainly agree with you here. At the very least, get out via web posters in the pro-shop, etc. that points out 1) the differences and 2) the theft aspect, if only to get a few people to understand. I assume (but I suppose I may be wrong) that most of the people I see wearing the fakes don't really understand that they are fake/illegally-produced either because they don't understand "officially licensed", don't realize just how "off" it looks, or accept that replicas are not going to have perfect detail (which is the case often...e.g., when MLB used to have nice looking replica jerseys with one-color block #s and names for all teams).
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