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On 8/24/2020 at 10:36 AM, coco1997 said:

D-Backs: I like the red & purple color combo. Not a fan of the gold road uni. I think a traditional gray set would work fine in this case. Maybe flip the colors of the “A” for the red cap and jersey. 

 

Spiders: Solid set. Great logo.

 

Royals: I like the use of athletic gold over metallic. Not sold on the gold script with white trim on the powder blues.

 

White Sox: I’d work on making the blue more of a sky blue like on the Chicago flag. 
 

Rays: I really like the choice of colors and the color balance. 

I had the exact opposite reaction.  I think the purple helmet really clashes with the red sleeves on the primaries. 

I think the Rays, Reds, and Spiders look fantastic. Pirates, too.  There's nothing wrong with the Royals (in fact it makes sense given their name and the lack of that scheme in MLB) but I guess I just like their "boring" look.

While I think the stars on the Astros primaries need blue rather than two bright colors, the only one I'm not fond of is the D-backs. Too many colors with too much clashing.

It's funny. I find OSV to be a traditionalist in football but a fan of pushing the envelope in baseball.

Geez.

I don't think anyone thinks that this school's "Clan" name is supposed to be the same as "(Ku Klux) Klan."  It's not that it's confusing; it's that in the United States (EDIT; just realized this is in Canada...), the word "Clan" (or Klan) on its own conjures certain images. I know when I hear "Clan" I think "Klan" at first.  If someone refers to their family as "the Smith clan" I don't.  Why? Because a lot of people call the KKK the Klan for short. If that wasn't a thing...if it was always either "Ku Klux Klan" or "KKK" then the word "Clan" would not have the connotation that it does (or can).  And this would be less likely to be an issue.

So just because it's not racist and in no way connected to the KKKlan doesn't mean it's not the right* thing to do. And you what? If they'd decided to leave it, I'd have had no problem with that, either.  But the institution had to decide what was right for itself and it chose not to connect itself to a word that, through no fault of theirs, causes a visceral reaction. Not everything's a PC conspiracy to win some culture war.

*Actually, to me it wasn't "THE right thing" to do. But it was a perfectly viable thing to do.  Some things exist outside of two absolutes.  There's nuance to things like this.

Yellow CAN touch white.  And it would make the numbers on uniforms like the Vikings, Packers, and Steelers better (Particularly the vikings, since they have more recent history of that than the others). The "rule" that yellow cannot touch white has contributed to the one-layer number fad and the addition of black where it's not needed.

(Yellow cannot touch white on both sides, though, Vikings.)

To me Robo Pen is to Skating Pen as Helmet Dolphin is to Current Dolphin.

Oddly most people here seem to prefer the sleeker, less soulful/cartoony Robo Pen to Skating Pen while they prefer the campy Helmet Dolphin to the "soulless" Current Dolphin. Cartoon logos are very popular here (Cartoon Oriole, for example).  It surprises me that Robo Pen is so well-liked.

I am the opposite.  I hate Robo Pen but I love Current Dolphin.  In fact, Skating Pen is really me breaking my own rule. I tend not to like campy, cartoony logos.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over this since it's a minor league team I seldom notice but I think it's a solid name and teams just changing names* is odd to me. I'd rather they have a presence that lasts.  Hopefully the Mud Hens don't move into a new stadium soon.

*Barring a Washington-NFL type reason

On 7/17/2020 at 5:07 PM, Gothamite said:

Fair enough.

 

I’m sure there are people who like the old Sabres logo and don’t prefer the term “Buffaslug”.  But there we are.  I see people refer disparagingly to the Brewers’ glove logo  (which I have fond memories of, even if it’s not my favorite) as the “paw”.

 

I really don’t mean anything personal by it.  It’s just a catchy nickname.

Granted, I've almost never talked with anyone outside of these boards about the logo, but I tend to think it's very well-liked in Madison and among alumni.  Doesn't hurt that it's associated with the ascension of the football program. It has pretty much nothing in common with the Buffaslug, which was partly hated for the huge disappointment it was when fans were anticipating a return to the good ol' days.

And to be honest, I am a lukewarm fan of the motion-W.  I liked it on the football helmets day 1 when I was still a high schooler in Minnesota.  And I'm so old that when I arrived on campus, it was pretty much just a football logo.  That's how I kinda wish it had stayed.  The previous "W" never looked that good on a football helmet to me.  But I think the motion s**k W has been a negative elsewhere.  The basic W look better on basketball shorts, for example, and particularly on the old-school sweater worn by Bucky Badger.  So I'm not a huge fan of the logo, but I think it's very well liked.

As for the crest, I never liked the logo, probably because I associated with University Ridge golf course (I had friends that loved golf and I don't).

As for the issue at hand, I don't have the energy to discuss it.  I don't think it's going to be a game-changer but I don't need to strut my cynicism and mock it, either.

2 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

As someone who loves championship rings, and have three of my own, I still don't get why you need three for one season. Isn't one enough?

I definitely find it odd that they'd have a CFP ring and  a National Championship ring. It's like that Nats getting the NL champ ring and the World Series Champs ring.

17 hours ago, LMU said:

We’ll allow for discussion once the change actually happens but for now we’re dealing with every single thread about the subject being taken over by disingenuous straw man arguments that cause the whole thing to descend into a firey hellscape.  We’ve even had to start cracking down on concept threads since we’ve had three for the Washington rebrand that have become troll targets.

 

We are though going to be taking a harder line in general when it comes to issues that are made political for no reason whatsoever.

I understand this.  History has been really bad to these discussions.  Given that there is a real social movement going on that's related to our topic at hand, I really feel we should be talking about this, including whether name changes are necessary for Washington and others.  It just seems crazy that we've eliminated so much of what's relevant to this discussion, to the point we have to pretend the world is a different place.  The Washington change is probably going to be driven by the current name...whether they go with a "lesser" native name or totally abandon...and "why they are selecting this name for the rebrand" is an important part of the discussion.  I wonder whether we can even get through that.

I suppose the board doesn't have a feature that enables moderators to stop individuals from posting in specific threads...That would be best to weed out the clowns and incentivize civility.  I think it's an interesting and important topic with tons of nuance (not the Washington name but the spinoffs) and this is the place I'd like to be talking about it. I know I've lost this argument (well, I never had it) but I'd like to have it talked about even if it means mods are quick with suspensions.

EDIT/Late Add: I don't love the politics ban, but it's not like I can't go find a place on the internet to have these talks. It's not important that this board be the place to talk about that kinda stuff. However, this board is the ideal place to discuss this potential issue.

On the jerseys, I always thought the rounded "P" started with the "stitching" line in the middle and then it disappeared.  Based on these pictures it looks like they kind of went back-and-forth.  I wonder why.

I know that the image of a baseball is not always allowed (not sure on the exact rule...must be based somewhat on how realistic it is) so I'd always figured they were forced to ditch that on the jersey (though it stayed on the hat).  But based on that 1990ish gray jersey, it looks like it came back.

On 6/2/2020 at 11:39 AM, ScubaSteve said:

I think the Washington Wizards need a rebrand. Not a new name, but stray away from the Bullets-inspired identity and an evolution of what they had before. I'm sorry but the current logos and color scheme are just so boring.

I do think r/w/b is a strange combo for the Wizards (partly offset by it being a good combo for DC).  The Name Wizards doesn't work great with the DC imagery, so I agree with your sentiment.  That said, I like the r/w/b and DC imagery better than I did any of the more appropriate colors/logos of the original Wizards incarnation. 

All of this would be great with a name like Capitals (taken), Nationals (taken), Senators (used in the past; twice), or Americans (used a few times).  And I don't think there's enough history (and certainly not enough good history) to cling to "Wizards." But I fear them choosing "Washington Monuments" or something.

I definitely would like a name change or a change back to something more like the original incarnation of the name.

1 hour ago, B-Rich said:

Two things I don't miss:

 

-- Smoking in the stands.  I can remember this occurring at many outdoor stadiums and ballparks, and even indoor ones like the Superdome.  My daughter and watched a replay of game 7 of the 1965 World Series the other day and she commented on how ridiculously prevalent it was. 

 

-- Pretty much before my time, but racially segregated seating.

Good ones.

I am old enough to remember smoking in the stands at outdoor venues and it's amazing at this point to think that the person in the 18-inch-wide seat next to your 18-inch-wide seat could smoke. I am not sure when that stopped everywhere...probably late-1980s.

In a way, it was worse at indoor venues.  The smoky concorse is one of my memories of the Met Center, home of  the North Stars, where I attended games from about age 8 to 17. It was awful.  And then the Metrodome.  PA announcer Bob Casey, before each game would say "Noooooo smoking at the Metrodome!" (Cheers).  But the concourse had smoking and non-smoking areas. Invariably right on the "smoking" side of the yellow line would be three people blowing their smoke into the so-called "non-smoking" area. 

On 5/23/2020 at 10:22 PM, TrueYankee26 said:

 

I DON'T miss the days where all the March Madness games were on CBS and thus regional. Ever since CBS teamed up with Turner (TNT, TBS and TruTV), every single game can be seen on TV.

This might be #1 for me.  They would just cut to 60 Minutes or the mid-day local news break while games were still being played and would focus almost entirely on the “feature game” regardless of what was going on in it and the other games.

Unpopular opinion, but I don’t miss baseball infields on football fields.

I don’t miss the NFL’s sideline catch rule where the official tried to determine whether the receiver would have landed in bounds if not pushed by the defender.

 I don’t miss the pre-BCS national championship vote where bowl tie-ins hampered the best matchups.

LA as the NFL’s stadium extortion threat.

Pretty much everything about late 1980s NHL.  Most teams had their best looks then.  White at home.  Prime Wayne Gretzky.  Me going to North Stars games.  The North Stars. The Whalers. The Nordiques.  Goalies wearing #1.

ESPN/SportsCenter's peak (mid-1990s).  NFL Prime Time. 

The NFL being popular but not overwhelmingly so (being #1 in the sports news 350 days/year).

The blissful ignorance about the long-term impacts of football on quality of life.

Big Ten basketball with no conference tournament.

8 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

Well, I'm just trying to be a relatively accurate (as possible with the modern jersey cut) with that throwback as I can be.  Obviously, if that were to become the main primary you'd have to adjust a few things.

Admittedly, I didn't think of it as a "throwback" (which I should have considering it's a third...).  Of course, taking that, minus the white stripe, making a white version, and calling them both primaries would be perfection.

I never noticed, until just now, the black basketball seams in the flame.  

I think it's the helmet that really draws me into the kelly green.  I always thought the shell was so nice (and I also preferred that wing).  They never quite nailed the jersey.  They went from far too much sleeve striping (and too large of holes) to black trim.  The Cunningham-era black trim was servicable, but it just looks so nice with gray trim.  That throwback concept on the right is nearly* perfect.

*I'm not a fan of the white stripe at the bottom of the sleeve.  The early 1980s thick white stripe did not work and I would not emulate it.  Otherwise, (Take my money now meme).

Every time you post an Eagles concept I'm reminded of how great kelly/gray is.

23 hours ago, daniel75 said:

The Packers uniforms and logo are waaaaaay overrated. 

I generally agree.  I love, love, love the yellow shell, traditional stripes, and green mask.  I like the color combo but the jerseys leave something to be desired...for me it would be yellow outlines on the numbers (an unpopular opinion in itself, I know). The uniform overall is solid, but not top-five.

The logo is definitely overrated and if they were not America's Team, would be an afterthought. Actually it's this board that moved me from simply thinking that to realizing that it's even worse because having a "G" for Green Bay is like having an "N" for New York or an "S" for San Francisco. (cue "it stands for 'Greatness'").  Not that they'd change it now.  But the logo is maybe the worst part of their identity.

It’s still amazing to me that that an expansion team was able to move into that dump with a 30-year lease starting in 1998.  That is only three years before contraction talk started and after completion of current ballparks in Cleveland, Baltimore, and Colorado, not to mention the now-defunct park in Arlington.and several high-revenue parks (Houston, Milwaukee, SF, Detroit) were under construction.

1 hour ago, CherryMX said:

It was never Shawn, I’m not from Chicago.  
 

I do enjoy and collect mechanical keyboards, though.  So here we are.  

Thank you for the note (Title?  Whatever it's called)  on your former name.  That should be required for one month on any name change.

27 minutes ago, Sport said:

it was a childhood nickname, but I, I mean, my team of writers and brand managers chose it  because it says everything and says nothing. It’s what I’m here to do, it’s what message boarding is, it’s the game inside the game. I’m here to discuss Sport (seriously posting only rad thoughts). 

In the old days I should have changed my name to Politic.

Between this and FiddleStick, it feels like a whole new world.

• The Cincinnati Bengals were my second-favorite team throughout my childhood and into young adulthood because of their uniforms. In fact, as a kid, most of my "second tier" teams were based on uniforms.  Now that I don't really have second-favorite teams, I am still not above cheering for the team with the better uniform.
• I don't want the Orioles to win a World Series because it will strengthen the hold the Cartoon Bird has on the identity.
• I went to Miami two years ago to see my alma mater, Wisconsin, play Miami in the Orange Bowl.  I felt absolutely cheated that 1) it was my first ever bowl game and the end zones were not painted in team colors (just a white-line criss cross pattern) and 2) that Miami wore black uniforms and helmets...because I love their regular color scheme.  We got down to Miami (where I'd never been), enjoyed the weather, went to my first bowl game, and got the "W."  And I allowed these things to put a dent in it...mainly while I was at the game, but still.

On 1/15/2020 at 1:46 PM, Chromatic said:

Two MLB ones for you.

 

The Orioles should go back to the full body ornithological bird. The cartoon bird sucks.

 

The Angels current look is their worst. It's extremely bland and the red-on-red lettering is really bad. The typeface looks more appropriate for a law firm and the 'A' insignia doesn't evoke the sense of a halo despite it being quite clearly in the logo. I'm aware these are meaningless buzzwords but I'm going to throw them out anyway. Its "bland" and "soulless". They look like an EA Create-A-Team.

 

I read Orioles part and had my curser over the "like" button.  The first standing bird, is by far my favorite hat of theirs...the almost perfectly round head was a bit of a miss but but I like how it was simple and just used black, orange, and white  By the end it was trying to hard to look like a photograph. The cartoon bird seems minor-league to me.

However...

Your opinion on the Angels is unpopular thanks to the Winged-A/periwinkle days.  My opinion on the Angels, that this is the BEST they've ever looked is also unpopular because it's too red.  I love it.  It sets them apart from other red/blue teams and I think the "A" has a certain "boldness" that the original pointy A didn't have.
 

And, regardless of anyone's ranking, I have another unpopular opinion.  Gray halo over gold halo...by a lot.

1/2 a like...

7 hours ago, dmmdoublem said:

1. Kelly green is a bit overrated, especially in regards to the Oakland Athletics and New York Jets. In Oakland's case, for instance, I like how the darker shade of green (i've heard it referred to as both forest green and hunter green) offers a more start contrast with the gold and white, making them "pop" a lot more than kelly does. I will, however, concede that the Philadelphia Eagles look better in kelly.

 

 

 

I can kinda get behind this one. Actually, I can almost totally agree with you.  I definitely agree with you on the A's.  I think the darker green plays well with the yellow.  I think kelly green works better if there isn't another vivid color along with it.  And I am with you on the Eagles; they were definitely better in kelly green because the silver/gray (and later, black) didn't clash like the A's yellow.  I can go either way on the Jets but I do acknowledge that there's almost a lacking darkness in the 1980s uniforms.

Then again, the North Stars were great with vivid green and yellow...so I can't even be consistent.

I had no idea that Star was in the R until just now.