RyanMcD29

Reading today's Daily Orange was unbearable. If I read one more quote about someone pissed that we're losing Villanova as a rival, which nobody gave a crap about before College Gameday showed up in 2010, I swear...

I read somewhere that supposedly the Big East is making Cuse and Pitt stay the full 27 months which means they won't be able to join the ACC until Fall 2014. 3 basketball seasons with at the very least 2 lame ducks? I think we're gonna see that number renegotiated to a 2012 or 2013 football season

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway. I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ. If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference. There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses. If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no. I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks. Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF. Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick. I'm talking about overall as a university. For all your talk about UCF being a rising school, it's worth noting Baylor's like 100 spots ahead of them. And yeah, their basketball and football on the rise doesn't hurt either http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/baylor-university-6967

Well, I guess at the very least you haven't brought up FIU yet...

Syracuse, yes. Pitt, not so much. Pitt has been "showing itself" to the other conferences, trying to get out of the BEast for a while. Strangely enough, their chancellor is head of the Big East Committee. The irony is kind of laughable. Anyway, I hate to see Syracuse/Georgetown turn into a once-a-year affair. That's one of the better rivalries in college basketball, even if it doesn't get the ESPN "omfg classic stuff here!" treatment that Duke/UNC receives. Well, Syracuse/Georgetown is being played once a year already thanks to the Big East's schedule this year I mean, this move's bittersweet. I addressed the benefits of Cuse going to the ACC a few weeks ago, so I do like the move. It ensures the school's athletic future whereas the Big East is one big question mark. It was something that almost had to be done with all the movement going on in college athletics. That being said, I will miss the Big East, especially in basketball. The past 33 years have been great to Syracuse in the Big East and there's lots of memories to be had from it. Whether it's the epic showdowns with Georgetown, McNabb's touchdown drive against Virginia Tech, or G-Mac's magic, the Big East will no doubt have a place in every Syracuse fan's heart. It's just a fact of the times and a case of having to keep up or be left behind. And of course, it's all about the benjamins. I'll get used to ACC hoops over time. Obviously it's no Georgetown or UConn (more on them in a little bit) or Nova, but at least we got a dancing partner with Pitt plus we'll be rekindling rivalries with BC, VT, Miami, and Maryland. Oh, and I'm sure the Syracuse fanbase will soon enough be pumped for the battles with UNC and Duke to come. Football, while losing WVU and Rutgers to an extent, we still keep Pitt and we bring back more of our natural rivals. The post-04 raid Big East had us lose more rivals than we had in the conference. I can't wait to go back to playing BC every season and with Randy Edsall's history Maryland will become a rivalry soon enough. I'm not even gonna touch how amazing it's gonna be playing ACC lacrosse. As for UConn, I wouldn't worry too much about them. It may be a year without them in our conference, but soon enough I think the ACC will invite them into the fray, unless a Big East/Big XII merger satisfies them with having Kansas in their basketball conference along with the non-football schools. I think the Cuse-UConn rivalry will survive as well. Either way I think UConn will get an invite soon enough, and probably Rutgers too considering I don't think their as valuable to the B10 as people make them out to be, but they would be a nice feather in the ACC's cap. It's a bit of a sad day to be leaving a conference that gave us so many great memories, but at the same time it's an exciting one with what the ACC has to offer. At the very least I can rest easy that Syracuse isn't part of any conference realignment talk from here on out.

John Marinatto is an incredibly incompetent commissioner. And this is one of the biggest reasons why we're more than likely leaving. Lack of conference leadership

Yeah I was just about to post that. ESPN and CBS are reporting the same. Looks like things are looking very real with these Cuse and Pitt to ACC talks

In the "Hey, I coulda told you that one" category The ACC's looking to poach the Big East Cuse and Pitt look like the targets

Fixed your thread! But in all seriousness,i can't emphasize enough what potential damage this will do to the olympic/non-revenue sports! Ehhh, baseball/softball/soccer/volleyball? Yeah. But sports like hockey (well, to an extent with that B10 hockey conference coming in), lacrosse, track and field, women's basketball (and for that matter men's when all things are considered, just ask Butler about needing to be in a good conference to have success), wrestling... it shouldn't hurt those that much. It's all a case by case effect with the direction of superconferences.

Well, the reason I listed those 5 schools is because of geographic location and/or academic reasons. TCU I think if the Big East disintegrates can find a new home somewhere, and going back to the Mountain West wouldn't be the end of the world considering it's likely going to get stronger with some of the Big XII school's that need a home. Not sure what to do with Cincy and Louisville. The ideal situation would be the ACC to get raided down to 9 and the Big East down to 7 and the two merge, but it looks less and less likely like that's going to happen with the SEC going after Mizzou and WVU

If WVU leaves for the SEC (and honestly I wouldn't blame them with the BE's mismanagement), say goodbye to the Big East as a football conference. In that case, I hope the ACC's ready to take in Syracuse/UConn/USF/whoever the B10 doesn't touch between Pitt and Rutgers

That begs the question - how the hell can Notre Dame get that kind of treatment but not Michigan? Michigan gets way overhyped every year too, though. Maybe not as much as Notre Dame, but it's sure there. EDIT: Talking about the media, not necessarily the polls

Wait, wait, wait, Pitt?!?! You know the drill, :21 mark. (if that happens, I'd like an invite to the ACC for the Orange thank you very much. The Big East getting raided by the conference getting dismantled would not look good for the future)

Texas A&M's all "See ya" to the Big XII Cue the following in preparation for the silliness that will go on from here on out

If the SEC only takes FSU, that puts the ACC at 11. That would more than likely mean "ACC raiding the Big East 2.0". Not sure how that would shake out, though, because there's a lot of good picks -South Florida fits it geographically, fills FSU void -West Virginia also is a geographical fit, plus has a rivalry with VT from back in the pre-04 raid Big East. Consistently being the strong point of Big East football definitely helps -Rutgers has New York, even though very little people care about college sports outside of the Big East basketball tournament and (in the suburbs) lacrosse. Then again, NYC market = $$$. Fits the academic profile pretty well too (similar to Maryland in terms of public schools) -UConn also has claim to the NYC market I guess, definitely the southern New England market, plus hoops is its strong point. The BC-UConn divorce from 04 might be touchy, though -Syracuse fits the academic profile of some other schools in the conference (private school, good academics, 10-15K students), has a rivalry with BC, plus basketball and FWIW lacrosse and field hockey (yes I know there's no importance of non-revenues in all this) match the strong suits of the ACC. Not to mention was supposed to go to the ACC before the Virginia legislature stepped in -Pitt also fits the academic profile with its good academics, plus brings the Pittsburgh market with them. The football program's usually in the hunt for conference titles, plus basketball brings a bit to the table So yeah. If the SEC takes one of the ACC schools, I can see them raiding one of those schools. If the Big Ten comes in and swoops Maryland, VT, whathaveyou, either three of those or the Big East joins in on the raid and takes BC and whoever. If we get into 16-team madness, then I can see the two conferences merging together out of survival.

FWIW, I saw this posted on HFBoards the other day. Not sure if there's any updates on it since last week because, as I said, it's HFBoards and it's turned into a Hamilton vs. Sun Belt argument over there http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2011/06/20/westgate-city-center-in-glendale.html

The most surprising thing about that ring? The Islanders were in the Playoffs... Hey now, the Isles were on a 3-year playoff streak that season

And Big East Basketball, additions, 2013: UMass Buffalo Temple Marshall Xavier Dayton Hofstra Tulsa Memphis BYU Gonzaga British Columbia Iceland Russia Antartica Mars Pluto (or did they drop to Division II now?) That and we merge with America East, the Ivy League (for non-revenue, they don't want to get rid of their basketball regular season auto-bid. Or academics considering 54th place Syracuse still has the top football-school academics in this scenario.) MAAC, MAC and NEC, Patriot League, and whatever other Northeastern conferences were not mentioned. But not Binghamton. They're not invited And DePaul would still finish last. UMBC will edge them in a thrilling "really really last chance play-in" game for the BET

Win. I'll throw my hat in to PoTD nominations for this post

TCU makes the Big East a 17 team basketball conference. Oh god. So see you later, Depaul? I like the move for football, but for all the other sports I can see this being a headache with traveling. Also in response to McCall, what did you expect the Big East to do with academic schools? Raid the Ivy and Patriot Leagues? Tell Buffalo to come on board? Cause that's all the northeast has left unless the BE begs BC to come back and Villanova non-withstanding. TCU's still at least got good academics (they slaughter Cincy and Louisville at it) plus they've got a better all around athletic program than most mid majors. Having a school in Texas is still not the best idea, though, and would've maybe preferred getting the service academies on board or something to keep it regional, but in the end TCU is a lot better than the entire Big Least with football (Big Beast hoops, not so much, but football is the end all be all in college athletics so who am I to argue) All this academic talk aside, I'd say it's a decent move for the Big East. That being said, I'm still skeptical about the future of the Big East. Did I mention 17 freakin' teams in basketball?

Agree on both points. I'd prefer some shifting between the Big East and the ACC, actually. Just make the Big East a basketball-first conference and the ACC could be the football focused conference. They could even partner up on the conference level and agree to some non-con games in their respective sports. Throw Duke, NC, Wake, etc... into the BigEast and trade them off for teams like Pitt, Syracuse, WV, Cincy... Wait you just traded basketball schools for basketball schools (West Virginia counts for the sake of them making the Final Four last year) If it's gonna be BE basketball-first and ACC football-first, then the ACC might as well get South Florida and Rutgers in that deal in addition to Cincy

I'm gonna go a little against the grain with this pointless realignment... TV contracts. Not teams. I was kind of thinking about this with the NFL TV deal. Shaking this up year to year kind of like the MLB and NBA postseason deals. Each year the Super Bowl network would have the Sunday night package as well as the Saturday Wild Card doubleheader and the other two will swap the AFC and NFC. So it would go as follows Super Bowl, SNF: NBC AFC: CBS NFC: FOX Super Bowl, SNF: CBS AFC: FOX NFC: NBC Super Bowl, SNF: Fox AFC: NBC NFC: CBS (talk about nostalgic with that lineup of the AFC on NBC and NFC on CBS) Rinse, lather, repeat. Also, ESPN would retain Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football would either remain on NFL Network or move to Versus or whatever the NFL's heart desires in real life in the coming years. I don't think it's that plausible with production costs and the like, but the NFL's one huge moneymaker so who knows. Once again I don't think there's any chance in hell of the NFL doing this, but it's an interesting concept nonetheless.

Okay, so now the word is BYU is gonna go to the WCC for basketball/non-revenue and go independent for football. I think that's a good move considering the WCC consistently has 2 or 3 tournament teams in hoops whereas the WAC hasn't had as good of a track record IIRC

I'll add more unpopular opinions of mine tomorrow, but to start things off before I go for the night here's this: -I don't want the Padres to go to brown and quite honestly I don't think it's a good look for them nor did I think their old brown uniforms were

If you ask me, these should've been the primaries. I liked these a lot better than the set the Mighty Ducks had up until 2006