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On 3/10/2024 at 12:10 AM, ruttep said:

 

What shows me that the aways were the afterthought is that the numbers weren't changed to blue until after the first season with blue equipment. If the equipment was planned to go with that jersey, wouldn't they have figured out the number color beforehand?

Wouldn't they have had to have had that change on the jersey in the works for over a year though?

Either way, I think the blue stuff looks a lot better with the white uniforms than the reds.

On 3/5/2024 at 8:46 PM, ruttep said:

 

Look at the difference between the home and road uniforms. My main problem with the current Avs uniforms is that the switch to blue equipment was always meant for the home uniforms, with little attention paid to the road uniforms. It just doesn't look right to me, especially with those blue numbers.

I think that the blue equipment looks much better with the aways. It adds some much needed blue to a very burgundy dominated uniform and let's them use both colors in their scheme.

The homes, on the other hand, already have a good amount of blue on the jersey and having the equipment be that color as well makes it compete with the burgundy too much. That and the issue of blurring the border between jersey and pants.

I always assumed that the blue equipment was meant to go with the white jerseys and that the homes were the afterthought.

22 hours ago, pmoehrin said:

 

There is a clear difference between what the two regions do. Raleigh is a traditional, modern American city. Office-centric and with numerous research hubs in the surrounding area, just like Charlotte.

Durham is a clear manufacturing hub that also specializes in pharmaceuticals and healthcare. Duke has a medical school, NC State does not. But even these tend to bring in a lot of blue-collar jobs. You still need people to mop the floors of the hospitals and labs and provide cafeteria food.

 

There is a clear difference there, but the same dynamic exists in many other places where the metro areas aren't split. That's why I'm curious as to why here but not there. They're in the same state, share the same airport, and I don't see a natural geographic border. 540 appears to be the effective border between the two cities.

People just didn't seem to live in Durham and work in Raleigh or vice versa in the numbers that I would consider necessary to be considered part of the same metro. Cary, Apex, Morrisville all have so much intermingling between residents, employers, and things to do and that just doesn't seem to be the case in Durham. I haven't done any research on this though, this is just how it seemed to me when I lived there as a child and a teenager. People seemed to always be travelling between Raleigh and all of those western suburbs but I'd rarely hear of anyone going to or coming from Durham for any reason besides a baseball game or a musical.

On 3/1/2024 at 5:56 PM, pmoehrin said:

 

I agree with most of what the Census Bureau does, but I don't know why Raleigh and Durham would be considered two separate metro areas.

They share an airport, it's less than 30 miles between the two cities, and there's no natural or state border diving the two cities. Chatman County is considered part of the Durham metro area, but it's no further to get to Durham than to get to Raleigh from there.

 

They don't separate Tacoma from Seattle on a metro level, and they're just as far apart from each other.

 

Maybe someone from the area can explain because I don't get it.

I am from the area and I don't consider Durham to be in the Raleigh metro but I can't fully explain why.

Also, I think Raleigh would be a better market for MLB than Charlotte. Charlotte is less risky because of its much larger population and is overall a nicer city. But Raleigh has clearly shown itself to be a far superior sports market. The area has a top 5 in attendance NHL team, a top 5 in attendance MiLB team, and 2-3 college basketball and football teams that get high pro level support. Charlotte's two teams are notoriously two of the least supported teams in their leagues. And I say that as a fan of both.

These would have been absolutely perfect if they had been put in their current color scheme. The navy absolutely kills the look for me, especially with the roads. Takes them from a top 5 look to low teens to early 20s. Crazy how one bad decision can make that much of an impact.

I don't think that publicly financed stadiums are always a bad decision. Just usually.

If a team provides a crucial piece of the city's identity, I think it makes sense to pay to keep them. The StL Cardinals. Any NHL team in Canada. The Lakers. The Chiefs. The Bills.

Teams that are one of the first things that comes to mind when people think of their city.

No one in the last 50 years has thought to themselves "Chicago? Oh, you mean where the White Sox play!"

Ship 'em to Nashville on the next bus out.

On 2/23/2024 at 3:16 PM, Sec19Row53 said:

I'll take it in a different direction -- it shows the pull created by being on WGN all over the country and creating the mystique that is Wrigley Field.

On 2/23/2024 at 3:22 PM, pmoehrin said:

 

The White Sox had a historic ballpark that Jerry couldn't tear down fast enough, and they also had a deal with WGN to carry all the games that Reisndorf couldn't get out of fast enough because he wanted his games to be exclusively on cable.

 

The Cubs thought big; he thought small. That's always been the difference.

This isn't just true of the White Sox though. This is true of all teams in the NHL, NBA, and MLB. Putting games behind paywalls has been nothing short of disastrous for all of them. The NFL and the Cubs are all the proof you need that exposure should be the #1 goal of any mass entertainment entity. These teams are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies with their RSN deals.

On 2/24/2024 at 9:00 AM, BBTV said:

praying to various gods that their diseased children heal quickly before reaching the estimated Canadian life expectancy of 30 (since nobody can afford health care, unlike in the States where everything is affordable and everyone has access to care

The increase in taxes to pay for that health care is the financial equivalent of every single person getting into a life threatening car accident every single year. So yeah, brilliant. Congrats.

Add a thick black outline to the numbers and a orange/white color swap to wear at home and that's what the Flyers should wear full-time forever.

The Rangers stadium series is much better than their new navy alternate.

Speaking of navy, I hate it for the Islanders. Even this same design in royal blue would've been much better. But still not great.

The Devils jersey is fine for this purpose. Works well here but glad we won't see it again.

The dumbest thing about the stadium series jerseys to me is this: They make the numbers huge to be able to be seen from far away - but then make the contrast horrendous. The Devils, Flyers, and Islanders have horrible contrast between jerseys and numbers. Alll of them are much worse in that regard than their primary uniforms. The Hurricanes were the same last year. There are definitely more that I'm missing that have used ghost numbers for a stadium game. Pick a lane.

On 1/18/2024 at 3:53 PM, ruttep said:

 

Think I've made this point before, but those decisions are more the fault of the franchise than the league as a whole. I've always thought the alternates in the playoffs rule was a fun way to make a particular playoff run memorable (the Lady Liberty jerseys gave Gretzky's one playoff run with the Rangers a fun flair) or tease a future rebrand (2006 Ducks, 2007 Canucks, 2014 Ducks, 2016 Penguins). If the Canucks want to wear the black skate alternate (I agree it shouldn't be worn in the playoffs), blame them, not the league rule.

 

Out of the two options you gave, I'd rather go with primaries only in the playoffs. Mixing and matching should never take place on a playoff run. 

But the NHL both allowed the Canucks to make the wrong decision and forced them to stick to that wrong decision. There is no reason to do both of those. Either force them to make the correct decision or allow them to make the wrong decision for only some games rather than all of them.

Obviously the Canucks are the ones who made the wrong decision, but the NHL not only allowed it - they made it worse than it needed to be.

I'd rather see the primaries required for all playoff games too but I'd take mix and match over the current rule. Whatever's going to have alternates worn as little as possible would be ideal.

6 minutes ago, Klondyke said:

I also asked my rep about the Canucks jersey, there is a chance the black skate will be the jersey for the playoffs.

Exactly why the playoff jersey rule now is so stupid. The Canucks may wear a jersey with completely different colors and logos than their primary brand during the most important games. Nothing could possibly be more brand diluting than that.

Either A) let teams mix and match jerseys in the playoffs (like the MLB and NBA) or - ideally - b) make teams wear their primary uniforms for all playoff games (like the NFL). 

There is literally no reason to force teams to dilute their brands by wearing alternates or throwbacks for every playoff game. Let them wear them for just a couple games or ban them for the playoffs entirely.

This has to be one of the most disastrous rebrands because (at least IMO), the rebrand was a huge part of their downfall as a company. They had their own brand with distinctive colors, unique wall decorations, and fun menu names - and threw it all away to be Chipotle 2: Electric Boogaloo. Shortly thereafter, they are closing locations left and right. Turns out if people want Chipotle, they will go to Chipotle.

On 12/23/2023 at 6:05 PM, dont care said:

You realize where you are right?  You can’t just ignore things because they don’t fit your narrative. I also want to remind you that the bone was the primary away jersey when it come out. The segmented horn can most certainly be seen from a distance, you don’t even need the close ups which they do for half the game and then you see every bad idea the design team came up with. you liking the neon highlighter yellow is your opinion but its also an unpopular one.

I never said those things don't matter. I said that many teams in the NFL have uniforms that look awful from any distance and have no redeeming qualities. Compared to those, I will take unfortunate decisions on small details. And I don't know that the yellow is that unpopular.

On 12/20/2023 at 1:48 PM, dont care said:

Well they don’t look good from a distance either, with the highlighter yellow, segmented horn, the dirty laundry white color, and the muddling where ever the white and yellow touch

I don't mind the shade of yellow at all and actually prefer it to the athletic gold they wore in their Jared Goff SB season. I don't like the segmented horn either but it's the definition of something you don't notice from a distance. While worse than the previous horn, it doesn't drag the entire uniform down IMO. The bone is obviously awful but I think nowadays you just have to ignore team's alternates. So many teams have terrible ones and they only wear those like once a year. And I don't understand the muddling you're talking about.

On 12/16/2023 at 1:41 AM, the admiral said:

That doesn't really make sense, but not much about this does. Apparently the plan is to scale down Capital One but book concerts there, except concert tours would likely hit the NBA/NHL arenas in every market and not a 10,000-seater in DC. They'd also burn off some summer dates with Mystics games. Whatever. 

 

The other thing that doesn't make sense is that it's not even a full-on Escape To Suburbia like moving back out to Landover or out to Tysons Corners or the greater Dulles hellscape, which, by the way, arguably the most terrible, America-at-its-worst part of the entire country. No, it's just over the river to Alexandria, which is notoriously old-world and stuffy and probably kind of resistant to a giant suburban Sports Containment Zone being built on what remaining open space they have. And the arena they have now is new-ish, well-maintained, and centrally located in a metropolitan area that all but requires public transit. I'm reminded of Mr. Burns: "I'd trade it all for a little more."

Yeah that's what I'm saying is that if they're going to operate the two arenas anyway, they might as well have a team playing in each. Heck, the Wizards and Capitals could alternate years on each side of the river.

It would make far more sense to not move at all or to get rid of Capital One Arena if they leave it. But I think the one team in each would make more sense than what they're proposing.

On 12/15/2023 at 6:54 PM, ruttep said:

 

This is the key right here. If they don't do that, then there's no way I can put them near the top half of the league. Take away the name tag chest patches while you're at it. As they are right now, those patches and the gradient are the definition of "doing too much."

They are but they are smallish details that you don't see on a typical action shot during a game. I know that's not all that matters but there's many teams who look awful from a distance too.

On 12/15/2023 at 6:51 PM, ruttep said:

 

I love the NHL playoff uniform rule. I think they do a great job of maintaining uniform integrity in the playoffs. If the Canes want to make sacrilegious uniform decisions in the playoffs, that's not the NHL's fault. The NHL can really be the dumbest league in the world in tons of different areas, but uniforms aren't one of them. I blame the Canes themselves for any and all moronic uniform ideas.

I'm just saying IF they are going to allow alternates at all, they shouldn't require teams to wear them for all home games. In an ideal world, they simply don't allow alternates at all and force teams to wear the primaries for all games.

I actually think that after the 2021 switch to the whites as the primary, they have a top half of the league set. It is cohesive, the colors are strong, and the design does enough without doing too much. Adding the extra curl to the horn and getting rid of the gradient on the home numbers would put them in the top 10.

The bones can rightfully be picked apart, but I find it much easier to let alternates slide these days when assessing team's uniforms. So many teams have attrocious alternates now and they can only wear them 3 times anyways.

3 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

You play the season to determine a champion. In order to do that, every single game does not need a winner. This is truest of all in the sport with the most games in its season.

 

Even though I no longer have time to follow soccer, as I did for about fifteen years, the one piece of wisdom that I retain from that experience is an understanding of the validity of a draw.  Overtime should be strictly for playoffs in all sports.

I guess we'll just have to disagree to agree. Ties are fine for 10U youth soccer, but when people buy tickets to see who wins, someone should win.

Buying a ticket to a game that ends in a tie is like buying a car with no key. It has all the parts it needs to work, but doesn't deliver on its central promise.

I go completely the opposite direction, I'd rather see a coin flip determine a winner than a tie. 

The NFL doesn't allow alternates at all in the playoffs with rare exception, while the NHL merely mandates that you wear the same home uniform the entire playoffs, regardless if it's an alternate or not.

For the life of me, I do not understand this rule. Teams should wear their primaries as much as possible in the playoffs. Why force teams with bad taste (Hurricanes) to completely shun their primary uniforms? What purpose does that possibly serve?

Of course last year it worked out for the Hurricanes, wearing their should-be-forever-primary reds. Winning a cup in black would be sacreligious. Same for the Rangers-South CANES whites. That's part of why last year's ECF loss stung so bad. Even if they come back and win it this year or next year, there's a 95% chance it wil be in one of those two.

On 11/28/2023 at 6:32 PM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

I'm not fundamentally against alterations of the rules, even radical ones. But this is bad. If they wanted to take something good from soccer, then they should have borrowed the acknowledgement that a draw is a legitimate result. A regular-season game tied after nine innings should go into the books as a draw; save the extra innings for playoff games that have to have a winner.

I completely disagree. I can't stand ties. You play the game to determine a winner. To not do so is the definition of a failure. I hate that the NFL has ties and think that they should give refunds on tickets to those that attend one.

Why don't they just leave the Wizards at Capital One Arena and move the Capitals to Virginia or vice versa if they're going to have two superfluous arenas anyway?

44 minutes ago, ruttep said:

 

It's because the Panthers ran him into the ground as their only offensive weapon. The Niners use him more like a traditional RB, they have other guys that can shoulder the load.

The problem with this theory is that he has played 24 games for the Niners in the 1.5 seasons since the trade as compared to only 16 in the 2.5 seasons with the Panthers prior. I don't care how much you get the ball, your body is taking more of a beating playing every week than being on the sideline 75% of the time.

If you wanted to argue that it was all a cumulative effect from his 2019 year, that would make more sense although it wouldn't explain why this magically went away with the 49ers.

Honestly, I think the reason is simple. Players are more likely to play through an injury or discomfort if their team is in contention. The Panthers never were, so the slightest thing put him on the sideline repeatedly. The 49ers are in contention, so he's most likely playing through similar things.

Also, the 49ers use him a ton too. Much more than most teams use their RB.

18 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

 

I don't think there's any doubt that San Francisco is McCaffery's "right" uniform now.  At this point, if anyone even remembers where he came from, it's clearly his "wrong" uniform.  Like Barry Bonds in a Pirates uniform, or Drew Breese in a Chargers one.

As a Panthers fan, McCaffrey just never really fit in here. Like yeah, he was a great player but he kind of straddled distinct eras for the team which didn't help him, was almost exclusively on bad teams which didn't help him, and in the last 3 seasons he was here almost never played, which really didn't help him.

I think most Panthers fans have practically forgotten he was here already in a way that will take much, much longer for players like Kuechly, Davis, Olsen, Cam, etc.

It is pretty funny though how his injury issues have magically been cured now that he's gone.

1 hour ago, ruttep said:

 

It's bad but it's (marginally) better than many uniform matchups these days because these teams are wearing proper pants/socks combos in their primary colors. I'll take this any day of the week over these disasters:

 

Blue team vs gold team

 

Teal team vs orange team

We'll just have to disagree to agree. I'd take a decent jersey paired with unfortunate pants and socks over a horrid jersey any day of the week.