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Everything posted by NicDB

  1. They actually do issue 3 digit numbers in Japan. As much as I enjoy Japanese baseball, I'm okay if this trend never makes it across the Pacific.
  2. Isn't this exactly why they've always sold programs and scorecards? I agree "that's the way its always been done" is weak by itself. But literally every ballpark nowadays has a giant video board for this exact reason. Also, aren't NOBs just ultimately a waste of material? I dunno... I've just always preferred NNOB. The cleaner look just says "baseball" to me.
  3. Abstract 1970s French Canadian art as logos feels as on brand for Montreal as black and gold does for Pittsburgh.
  4. Packers G is absolutely this. It's bizarre that thet use a G and not a GB, yet they wouldn't look right with anything else.
  5. I would honestly rather the Packers have green pants. I always thought their uniforms were a little too bright when they play indoors under the lights. It'd look as good on them as it does on North Dakota State.
  6. Like the green pants, but any change to the Packers font needs to be a block font, even if it is stenciled. Also, drop shadows or even outlines defeat the purpose of a stencil font.
  7. Hence, I said it doesn't reference anything explicitly native. Feathers can go into a lot of different contexts, especially if the team is named after a species of bird. That's why a lot of colleges that dropped their native mascots adopted a bird as their new one. That said, the more I think about it, the more I'm intrigued by Redhogs. Hogs became associated with the franchise so organically, and how often do you see a swine related identity in sports? The Arkansas Razorbacks and Nippon Ham Fighters are the only two I can come up with off the top of my head.
  8. I'm not saying they should. But a Redtail is hawk that's named after its feathers. Therefore the Lombardi R is still appropriate as it doesn't reference anything explicitly native.
  9. The script itself may have been salvageable had they not wiffed on pretty much everything else about that rebrand. Which wasn't even necessary since they just had a full rebrand not even a decade before then; and after staying pretty consistent (only evolutionary tweaks) throughout the Yount-Molitor years. I really think the Motre Bame unis had potential staying power had they stuck with them long enough to become associated with Prince and Braun rather than Jaha and Cirillo.
  10. This reminds me... a lot of teams with state names called themselves as such because they actually did play home games in multiple locations. The ABA was famous for this. Off the top of my head, I can think of the Kentucky Colonels (Louisville and Lexington), the Virginia Squires (Norfolk, Hampton, and Richmond) and the Floridians (Miami, Tampa, and I think Orlando and Fort Lauderdale). I think the Pacers may have also played some games in Fort Wayne and/or South Bend. But I'm sure there were more. You also had the Memphis Tams, who made their nickname an acronym for Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi... the three states whose metro area Memphis spans. The Edmonton Oilers were originally the Alberta Oilers because they planned to also play in Calgary, but that never materialized. Even NBA teams have done this occasionally. The Bucks have played home games at the UW Fieldhouse in Madison and the Brown County Arena in Green Bay.
  11. Football lends itself to regional fanbases because they play the fewest games and the overwhelming majority of them are on weekends when most people are able to travel. That's why you'd never see a situation like Green Bay in any other sport. Also why you have college teams playing in the middle of nowhere outdrawing even most NFL teams. Basketball and hockey play half their games on weeknights during a time of year when travel conditions tend to be less than ideal in much of North America. Then there's baseball where nearly every game is during the week, so it behooves teams to play as close to a major population center as possible. Not a lot of people are gonna drive a couple hours down the freeway and back to see their team on a Wednesday night.
  12. I wanted the Redsk*ns name gone as much as anyone, but I'm not so militant about completely erasing the fact that they were ever called as such. Redtails would allow them to keep their circle and feather, only replace the Indian head with probably a W or R. Hell, they could even bring back the circle R logo designed by Vince Lombardi, who actually demanded that he be allowed to have a Native caddy when he golfed at what was a whites only country club in Wisconsin. Redhogs would require more of a rebrand, but... as you said... Hogs is tied into the most successful period of the franchise's history and is still a huge part of their fan culture. It would also, perhaps even more so than Redtails, shut down any arguments that the team is trying to erase history.
  13. I do think the Panthers were named for the Carolinas specifically to garnish support from politicians in South Carolina more than any actual demand from a potential fanbase. Although the fact that they planned to play their first season at Clemson probably played a role as well. Still, it's not like the Charlotte Hornets were hurting for popularity in the mid-90s.
  14. I can't remember if it was here, but I've definitely heard the Twin Cities Twins story. Around the same time, Earl Weaver was managing a minor league club here in Wisconsin called the Fox Cities Foxes (the current Wisconsin Timber Rattlers), so it's not like such a naming convention was unheard of.
  15. I'm actually glad to see Redhogs on the list. That's the only name I like as much as Redtails. Either one would allow them to salvage things that have already been part of their identity for decades.
  16. The first conscious memory I have of seeing the Twins was the 1987 World Series when they'd already gotten rid of the TC. But i had a very similar reaction when I started checking out old baseball books at the library and saw Rod Carew in a TC cap for the first time. I definitely think there's room for the TC and the M in the Twins identity if for no reason than how do you actually choose between the two?
  17. The choice to name the Twins the way they did was interesting because the Lakers didn't seem all that concerned with alienating potential fans in St. Paul when they were named exclusively for Minneapolis. Then when the WHA came along, the Minnesota franchise chose a name that specifically referenced the fact that they played in St. Paul. Perhaps the x-factor was the fact that baseball fandom in the area was already died in the wool on either side of the river thanks to the Millers and Saints. That didn't necessarily exist when it came to the other sports. I always wondered if the name Minneapolis Saints was ever considered for the Twins. I always thought that would have been a clever way to acknowledging the fans on one side of the river while playing on the other. It also would have staved off the Pandora's Box of naming teams after entire states for at least a few more years. Although you could probably argue that with the Angels moving to Orange County, it only would have delayed the inevitable. The Texas Rangers and Florida Panthers cases are interesting since they're named after proper nouns. You could also make that argument for the Colorado Rockies. But then you have to wonder if those names were chosen to passively justify using the state's name. In the case of the Marlins, Florida was chosen specifically because they felt it would win over more fans in other parts of the state before the Devil Rays came along even though Miami Marlins was a traditional name for baseball teams in South Florida. Arizona Diamondbacks is the one I have a major problem with because you can't even make the argument that they don't play in Phoenix. It also got rid of the Phoenix Firebirds moniker, which is one of my favorite ever team names. Golden State is just odd, but that was also around the time when the Capital Bullets were a thing. Perhaps that's how the NBA was trying to set itself apart from the other leagues at the time. Maybe I should be glad that trend didn't start a few years earlier... I might be rooting for the Lake Michigan Skunks.
  18. Good question. I would think there is indeed a bigger market for sponsors willing to pay for a LA brand rather than an Anaheim one, even if they are the "other" LA team. Granted, it does beg the question of why haven't the Ducks followed suit.
  19. These things may be less relevant than they were decades ago, but I really think you're underestimating how much having a local rooting interest figures into fan culture. It's how a lot of teams' fan culture has crossed over into the mainstream culture of many cities.
  20. There really is no rhyme or reason to this sort of thing. The Packers are the most popular team from Wisconsin, yet they're named for a "city" of just over 100,000 (and acts like it's much smaller). They're also the one team in the state that has cultivated a national following. After them, the Badgers are the most followed team in most of Wisconsin. The Brewers have smatterings of fans in other parts of the state, but their following is mostly in SE Wisconsin. And if you follow the Bucks closely, you're probably from Milwaukee County.
  21. I thought the topic of conversation was whether or not MLB was enforcing a rule regarding team names. As far as I know, no such rule exists.
  22. Sticking as close to the actual helmets is definitely the direction to go with this series.
  23. The Panthers also played their first season at Clemson. So the Carolina moniker was even more appropriate for them.
  24. I'm splitting hairs here, perhaps. But IIRC, the first Milwaukee club to be known as the Brewers is actually the one that currently exists as the Orioles. They were in the Western League when it mutated into the American League. Before then, Milwaukee teams were known as the Cream Citys, Creams, Grays, and Unions at various points. But yea, the history of baseball nicknames has always fascinated me. It's why the current trend in MiLB names really frustrates me. A lot of those cities probably already had a team with a unique and out there name from the 19th or early 20th century if they would bother to do a little bit of research.
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