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  1. 79-80 Lost in Semi's to Islanders.
  2. OK, I'm gonna take back the phrase "true fan" HOWEVER, I'm replying to this reply, because I don't think that was the best "TEAM" in franchise history. They absolutely had the best goalie ever and if he wasn't on his game, and by that I mean give up more than 1 goal we were likely to lose. The 1974-75 team was better overall, but did not have the goal-tending they needed and then ran into a Flyers team who wasn't really playing Hockey during those championship seasons it was more like UFC on Ice. To be honest I think the best Sabres team in history was actually the 1979-80 tean, Scotty Bowman at the helm Danny Gare led the league in Goals (tied at the top) Jim Schoenfeld led the league in +/- Bob Sauve/Don Edwards won the Vezina, they were number 1 and 3 in the league in Goals Against AVG. (it was a team award at that time) This team then ran into the Buzzsaw that was the Islanders in the Semi-Finals as they were beginning their dynasty of four cups in a row. I would even put the 1992-93 team ahead of 98/99. Alex Mogilny with 76 Goals Pat Lafontaine with 148 Points Unfortunately it was Hasek's first year with the team and no one knew yet what they had. He appeared in 28 games and his stats where anything but impressive. The following year he played 58 games had a sub 2 GAA and won the first of his 7 Vezina trophies. That Hasek in net with Mogilny/Lafontaine of 92/93 puts them over the top. 93/94 Lafontaine plays in just 16 games and his concussions issues remained for the rest of his career.
  3. OK, see now we are getting closer to meeting on some middle ground. My objection to bring back the Goat Head era was going back to Red/Black. Now if you can show me an updated look with just the Goat Head and a new Blue/Gold template we can talk. But honestly as much as some people do like the Goat Head, I think if you put it to a vote and you could somehow take nostalgia and per-ordained bias out of it, I think the Current Sabres Logo is much more aesthetically pleasing than the Goat Head. C'mon, it's one of the few logos that is Phonetic. Buffalo on top of Sabres.
  4. If the Red and Black era was brought about for honest reasons to truly try and re-brand the Buffalo Sabres for a new era, then I could look back at it and say 'not my cup of tea, but appreciate those who did (or do) like it..." In Pittsburgh the owners of the Penguins, at the time, tried to capitalize on the tradition of winning that the Pirates and Steelers of the 70's had established and rebranded and changed their colors to Black/Yellow, completely understandable. The owners of the Sabres had no other reason to change their colors to Red/Black than a corporate tie in with the Cable Company owned by the new owners. This is what I objected to then and why I still object to reusing as a "throwback identity" now. The owner turning out to literally be a criminal who is living out the rest of his days in a Federal Prison just taints the Red/Black era even more. Scandalous History is often expunged from Sports. I don't foresee the Buffalo Bills holding an O.J. Simpson day at the Stadium any time soon and I don't think the current Sabres ownership should embrace that era's identity when The Sabres were born Blue/Gold and are now back to Blue/Gold. I have no problem with the Sabres embracing the actual teams that were on the ice and all their accomplishments. Yes they had some really good seasons in Red/Black, those memories should be held in high esteem. I just don't want to ever see the team take the ice in those Jerseys ever again. Call me what you wish, I could care less, I'll take all the hate and social media style outrage thrown this way. For THIS issue I stand firm. This team almost left this city because of what John Rigas and The Adelphia Communications group did, if it had just been misguided leadership, it could be forgiven, but when it comes from a place of pure vanity and greed, criminal even, then maybe we use the old adage "forgive maybe, forget never!" and we leave the Black and Red Jerseys where they belong on the scrap heap of history and the back of peoples closets. Yes "TRUE" fans of the Sabres should know the history of their team enough to know that the Rigas era was everything that can be wrong in sports ownership.
  5. I stand corrected on it being "official" but stand hard behind the statement... "Anyone who embraces the return of the Black and Red era is either under 30 or not a true fan..."
  6. I don't think this is an actual anniversary logo released by the team itself. I belief this is just a mockup someone did. The team has released two 50th Anniversary logos, one for the jersey and one for advertising etc... and both were based off current color scheme/logo. I personally hope they NEVER EVER bring back the red and black era of Buffalo Sabres, unless the team is gong to wear prison stripes. To Buffalo Fans old enough to remember the Knox ownership era, the Red and Black represents an era of corruption and fear that the team was going to have to be sold to out of town interests and leave. When John Rigas purchased the Sabres he changed their colors to Red and Black to match his Adelphia Cable Communications empire where he made most of his money. It made no sense to the fans of Buffalo and it wasn't all that well received, but this era coincided with a brief uptick in performance led single handedly by the goal-tending of Dominik Hasek. When a team is having some success, secondary irritants, like team colors logo tend to take a back seat to the fun (as it should). Lo and behold it turned out the Rigas family were using the Sabres organization as their personal "slush fund" to build Golf Courses, take Vacations etc.... Well John Rigas and I believe two of his sons were indicted, which set off a three year :censored: storm where I was convinced we were going to lose this team. Thanks to Rochester Businessman Tom Golisano the team's future in Buffalo was secured for a few more years. His interest in the Sabres was purely in the hopes of securing votes in Western NY for a run at the Governors Mansion in New York State. Once he lost that election, you could tell he had no more interest in owning the Hockey Team and once again things got a little dicey around here until Terry Pegula stepped up and purchased the team and truly did cement that the Buffalo Sabres would be staying put for the long haul (then he extended his empire and influence in the region and purchased the Buffalo Bills when Ralph Wilson died a few years later). My sons love the Red and Black Sabres era uniforms/logos, but simply because it's the first one's they can remember from when they were little. I would prefer they wear the Buffaslug logo/uniforms than the red/black Goat Head, and I think that statement clearly shows how much I hate the red/black if I am embracing the slug.
  7. I'm not sure what they are officially called (compression pants maybe), but those blue yoga pants these three are wearing under their uniform which seems to be all the rage right now look awful. It doesn't matter if they are white, which you see mostly or a color they just stick out so much that it hurts the aesthetic of any uniform. Don't get me wrong, I would imagine there is a good reason so many players have gone to wearing them, maybe they give the knee some additional stability or something, so I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to wear them. Just saying they are ugly.
  8. Was this the picture of your Little League team before heading off to Dairy Queen to celebrate their Under 10 Championship?
  9. Gogolak broke into Professional football with the Buffalo Bills in the AFL. He was their kicker for both their 1964 and 1965 AFL Championship Season. In 1965 he was 28 of 46 (60.9%), second in the AFL behind Gino Capelletti of the Patriots. 60.9% wouldn't keep you on an NFL Roster today for more than 3 weeks. The WORST percentage in the league in 2018 was 65% by Chris Boswell of the Steelers and he was a 92% kicker just one year earlier.
  10. But how do you pronounce Center Martin "St.Louis". I'm guessing we all agree it's Looey and not Loo-is
  11. Well you know the Florida State Motto.... "Florida - The Ontario of the South"
  12. This has instigated some discussion, mostly locally in Buffalo but somewhat nationwide. Thought I would bring it up here to get this communities reactions/opinion. Not a 2019 Draft Pick and his new number, but a new free agent and his number..... The Buffalo Bills have issued free agent signee RB Senorise Perry #32. This number has not been given out by the Buffalo Bills since they traded OJ Simpson to the San Francisco 49ers after the 1977 Season. OJ was the first Buffalo Bill ever enshrined in the NFL HOF and the first Buffalo Bill put up on the "Wall of Fame" at the Bills Stadium. Although the Bills have not issued #32 since 1977, they never officially "retired" the number. Though they had plenty of time to between 1981 when he retired from the 49ers and 1994 when his personal life became a crap show. The Bills have since retired #12 (Jim Kelly), #78 (Bruce Smith) and #34 (Thurman Thomas). You guys may have heard of a small off the field "incident" that many attribute to Mr. Simpson. Though officially and legally he was acquitted of said offenses. Despite what has happened in OJ's life outside of football the NFL has not removed him from the HOF and the Bills have not removed him from their WOF (though on the Bills Wall of Fame where his name used to sit in the "middle" very prominently, it has since been pushed to the "end of the line". I am old enough (53) to remember actually watching OJ in his prime, 2003 yds rushing in 1973 etc. As a 7 - 12 year old he was without a doubt my favorite Buffalo Bill and well loved everywhere even outside of Buffalo. When the murders happened, I remember hoping and praying that they had the wrong guy and he would be PROVEN innocent. Well we all know how it played out and I think we can all agree the word PROVEN doesn't fit. Regardless of the outcome of the trial and the ongoing drama after the trial, I was always adamant that the on field accomplishments and the off the field behavior could be kept separate enough that he needn't be removed from the HOF or WOF. I certainly wouldn't expect (nor would I want) the Bills to ever feature him as a team ambassador like they currently do with Kelly, Thomas and many other retired players. It was also obvious that there would never be a ceremony to "officially" retire his number though unofficially they had removed it from circulation. Now to today... I think it's mostly a clear divide. If your a local Buffalonian younger than mid 40's your thoughts are who cares he was a POS they shouldn't care about giving out #32, but if your around 50 years old or older, the initial reaction to the Bills giving out #32 is NO, that number is not supposed to be handed out ever again. I know when I heard that was my official gut reaction, but it didn't take long for me to get over how the 10 year old would feel and how it looks in 2019. I'm sorry this is a long post, but I wanted to get this communities reaction AND I wanted to float what I have thought the Team should have done regarding the #32. I feel like it should never be worn again, BUT the Bills should position it not that they are honoring OJ Simpson by not handing out #32, but that the #32 has such a stigma attached to it regarding the Buffalo Bills, that almost as if the number is cursed it's in the best interest of the Buffalo Bills to never issue this number again.
  13. With the shape of the ball and the single bar helmet, this looks like it could be the logo for the Rollerball League. I know I'm dating myself, how many on here remember the movie Rollerball starring James Caan? I know they made a remake a few years ago, but the helmet looks more like the old days.
  14. I see that Chris just posted information on the Buffalo Sabres 50th Anniversary commemorative logo. The Buffalo Bills are celebrating their 60th Anniversary this year...
  15. Bills fan here.... I am thrilled we ended up with Ed Oliver with the 9th pick in this years draft, but was just slightly hoping that Kentucky DE Josh Allen would be the Bills Pick. Just to see how they would differentiate the Nameplate for Josh Allen as opposed to Josh Allen! QB - OJ Allen (for Offensive Josh) DE - DJ Allen (for Defensive Josh) but alas, it was not to be.
  16. I stand corrected on the Creamsicle throwback theory, and I did kind of figure the One Helmet rule was a huge reason they hadn't done anything recently. I still believe, in my humble opinion, that when push comes to shove the vast majority of people would choose one of the post Bucco looks over the Creamsicles if a choice had to be made. Nostalgia is a strong motivator when "selling" something. it's why we have the current/retro Pepsi Cans back even if just temporarily. almost all if the General Mills Cereals have come out with retro box designs. If you want something to be popular, get ride of it, wait 15 years and re-release it. Sadly there is a whole generation of fans here in Buffalo who want the Black/Red "Goat Head" look to come back. For those of us not 20 something or younger that is sacrilege. The Black/Red was a corporate play to align the colors of the Owners at the time's main business (Adelphia Cable), with their new hockey team. That didn't end well, with Prison Time for the owners and Bankruptcy for the Sabres. Why would anyone want to relive that?
  17. Don't you all think that if there was a chance in Heck that the Bucs would ever go back to Creamsicle look they would have brought out a Creamsicle alternate by now. The Chargers teased the powder blues for years before finally wearing them in a game again. And now they added a Royal Blue Fouts/Coryell jersey to their lineup as well. I think an even larger contingent of fans nationwide were crying for the Powder Blue Chargers than cry out for the Creamsicle Buccaneers now. The Broncos wear their original Brown/Yellow, Jets wear original Titans Colors. The Eagles and Packers both still wear those abominations they like to call throwback uniforms. I think it's pretty clear no one associated with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers wants anything to do with turning the clock all the way back to the late 70's/80"s. Keep Bucco Bruce where he belongs, a choice when playing Madden.
  18. Please tell me that someone did a whole series of Concepts based off Pat Patriot and all the NFL teams. and If so, PLEASE post link. I've always been a much bigger fan of Pat the Center than Elvis. Would love to see a roid rage Buffalo and a few other teams in this.
  19. If you look at the Brand Guidelines they also released and read down a few pages, you get a better idea on what they were trying with the new "crown". It appears they are also alluding to a camera aperature, and you can see when they give the logo some depth and texture making it slightly 3D the crown works. It doesn't really improve what the final product is, but it makes a little more sense in context.
  20. OK. Let's Compromise. From this day forward, they shall be called the Syracuse Suburbans, but like the Metropolitans we shall shorten it to the Syracuse Subs Don't the people of NYC think pretty much the rest of New York State is just a Suburb of NYC anyway?
  21. I was thinking the same thing. The blue panel that contains the "10" especially looks like a leather purse or automobile interior. And it looks like their Jersey sponsorship will be VICE (Digital Media and Television Network) instead of TELUS which I believe is a Canadian cellular phone service provider.
  22. At first glance, when I thought this was actually a group trying to come up with a final identity to pitch bringing Baseball to Portland, I thought how horrible all these were... Then about halfway down the page I saw the local news report and when viewed in the right context it's actually a very cool idea. To have a local firm print out Hats, Pins, etc. of the these proposed teams to sell for charity is actually kind of cool. I think more cities should have events like this, here in Buffalo someone could do an NBA version.
  23. I can't say I have ever seen an 'S replaced with an S. is this a normal excepted substitution to show possession or ownership? Well either way. Thumbs Down. Not an improvement. The Previous isn't great, but new one isn't better.
  24. This New Affiliation between Houston and Round Rock (currently with Texas) is part of the following carousel.... Houston's current AAA team, the Fresno Grizzlies will be affiliated with Washington Washington's current AAA team the Syracuse Chiefs will be affiliated with NY Mets NY Mets current AAA team the Las Vegas 51's will be affiliated with Oakland Oakland's current AAA team the Nashville Sounds will be affiliated with Texas So now Washington and Texas have long distance relationships between Parent and AAA. In baseball it doesn't seem to matter as much as in the NHL. The NHL seems to have a lot more call-ups during the season, so it's more beneficial to have your affiliates close. With the shifting of a few teams by the AHL out West (well really by the NHL Clubs not the AHL itself), Pretty much all the top affiliates are a quick trip to their NHL teams for call-ups. The only exception that comes to mind off the top of my head is I believe Vancouver's AHL team is in Utica, New York. These affiliation changes are almost as much fun to watch as actual Baseball Games from July to September. Call me when the playoffs start, that is when Baseball can hold my attention for more than 2 innings on TV. It's fun when the season first starts, it's a nice signal that Spring and Summer are coming, but 162 games is just too much. I know they can't really reduce the number at this point since it would throw the historical and record books out of whack.
  25. I was born and raised in Western New York and have never lived anywhere else. Even attended College locally, so In a way I don't have first hand experience to contribute. HOWEVER, I do have an opinion... I don't see how anyone who grew up rooting for a team until say the age of 18 could ever possibly switch their allegiance just based on the fact they have moved to a new City. Especially in this era where you can still watch just about every game from your old hometown team (granted it'll cost you a pretty penny in either purchasing the various NFL, NHL, NBA pay per view options OR in a bar tab if you just choose to go to a local bar that has these special viewing packages). My brother moved from the Buffalo area when he was about 22, after he graduated from College. He has lived in Charleston, SC, Ottawa, ON, and the last 30 years in Tampa, FL.He's as big a Buffalo Bills and Sabres fan today as he ever has been. Yes he buys NFL Ticket and NHL Season Pass every year, but with the Internet and these packages he is as dialed in to what is happening on the local sports scene as those living here still. I feel like if your raised in a household where every Sunday from September to January, the local NFL Football team was as much a part of your routine as Church services (which must be over by 12:30 so you are home by kickoff), Sunday Dinner and, when we were little, "The Wonderful World of Disney" on NBC. There is just no way to shake that feeling. I remember back to the mid-70's early 80's before every Sabres game was broadcast on cable, the local station would show around 25 games. Every week, when the TV Guide arrived, I would check to see what night the Sabres would be on TV (they were usually on once sometimes twice a week). We were fortunate enough to live close enough to Toronto that we got their local stations as well so we grew up with Hockey Night in Canada as well, which was great because usually about 3 or 4 times a year either the Maple Leafs/Sabres or Canadiens/Sabres would be on a Saturday Night, a "bonus" game for us to be able to watch. Heck, we could even get a French Canadian Station (Number 25) with our outside antenae, Channel 25 listings were in our edition of the TV Guide and although we couldn't understand a word and the picture would be pretty "snowy" that was usually a couple more Canadiens/Sabres games we could watch. I lost my Father a couple years ago, but the memory of riding home in the car on a Sunday after Church listening to the final minutes of the Bills pre-game show on the Radio and hoping my Mom wouldn't make him stop at the market or some other errand on the way so we would be in place for kickoff ALWAYS brings a smile to my face. My son is older now and out on his own, but every Sunday (or most), he's in my living room by kickoff. I know some day probably too soon, he will get married, have his own responsibilities and watching the Bills together will happen maybe once a month instead of once a week. But I will treasure every single time I get to high-five him when the Bills score a TD. Now, I do think that if you have children after you move to another City,or you move while they are still very young, that although they may take on your passion for your old hometown team when they are very young, once they begin school and hanging with friends then local influence could very well cause them to feel a closer kinship to the teams in your new area. I think this is normal and should be embraced, I would never tell either of my Son's that they HAD to be Bills or Sabres fans. it just came with the territory of living in a household where they were so important. Since we don't have NBA or MLB, they both adopted out of town teams to root for. One is a Bulls and Red Sox fan and the other is Jazz and Angels. Sorry this is such a long post, but one LAST point. I have NEVER understood and it bothers me to no end when someone born and raised in one City is not a fan of the hometown team, but claims to be a huge fan of another team in that league. Unless of course there are family ties back to the other team. They are almost always "front runners", when I was younger, I could drop a bomb on Western New York and I don't think I would have hurt one New England Patriot fan, now if I spit out of my window, a Patriot fan will probably get wet. I get it, it's fun to root for a team that's winning all the time, but it's just seems so disingenuous.