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This is the exact kind of look I was hoping for, and I like the wings on the helmet. If these are real then thumbs up from me.

When Oscar Taveras died. When the 2004 Cardinals were swept in the World Series, as it was the first World Series the Cardinals had been in during my lifetime. When Missouri State lost the MVC Tournament Championship game in an upset to Indiana State on March 6, 2011. Every time the Patriots win the Super Bowl, but their championships over the St. Louis Rams and Seattle Seahawks will forever go down as my least favorite ones. I've considered the Colts losing to the Saints in the Super Bowl, but as miserable as that was I have zero animosity towards the Saints for it so the hurt isn't quite as severe.

Agreed. Again, while it'd be better for the A's to just stay put, Portland would already work well with the Green/Yellow scheme I think, and the AL West is where a Portland team would belong anyhow. IF the A's were ever to relocate, Portland really should be the choice.

I have no connection to Sacramento. I've never even been there. But the whole Kings to Seattle debacle kinda permanently put me on Sacramento's side of things. If the A's ever relocate (although it'd be better if they didn't), Sacramento would be great.

I don't see it happening, but it would be miserable if it did. Not only is Vegas not even in the top five of cities that would be good fits for an MLB team, but to move such a storied franchise to a city devoid of baseball history would be egregiously bad.

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This is a great find as well! But then it begs the question... if this is all possible if the logo is upside down, why isn't that just what the logo looks like in the first place?

Going off the "funny how we can have such different opinions of logos" theme, it's funny because I love the AAF logos and identities... excepting the Hotshots. I liked their colors and loved the uniforms, but never could quite get on board with the logo. Atlanta's logo was tops for me even though I was rooting for Memphis.

Is it just me, or does that actually make the logo better? This makes it look like the wings are enveloping a sword, almost evoking the feeling of some angel holding a sword. Kind of reminds me of the old art for Kayle from League of Legends

I've come to the conclusion that I like the St. Louis logo more than I did at initial glance (it looks better to me in the version that was published as their twitter handle photo rather than the 3D-ish version on the reveal show), but that the name "Warbirds" would have gotten across the same message as "BattleHawks" but without sounding contrived - and it would have played into the aviation theme better than the actual name. The logo on twitter:

You nailed it: https://www.sbnation.com/2019/8/21/20826449/xfl-team-names-ranked-battlehawks

Nah, AAF logos were hands down better. The only XFL logo that matches any of the AAF logos is the Guardians. Maybe the Vipers, but it has such a different vibe than what the AAF had that it's hard to compare. Otherwise, AAF logos win. But it doesn't matter what your logos are if you can't actually keep the league open. Ultimately, if the XFL can stay open for a few seasons it'll be more notable than the AAF regardless of the comparative quality of the logos.

Seeing more people whine about how close the nickname is to "Blackhawks" who St. Louis fans obviously hate.

I agree with this take about the BattleHawks nickname. I have no problem with colleges like St. Joseph's and Quincy that just use "Hawks." But once it becomes Skyhawks, River Hawks, or War Hawks it just becomes a bit overdone. My only excuse for it is that they can refer to the historic St. Louis Hawks identity but without actually stepping on the toes of the current Atlanta Hawks.

Ya, looks like Houston, LA, and Tampa have secondary logos as of right now, whereas none of the others seem to have a secondary. I wonder if that's permanent or if secondary logos will be developed for those teams later.

St. Louis Battlehawks: Generic name, but I'm okay with the logo (I think the wings are good and the sword is good, but the logo seems disjointed to me in terms of combining the elements into a cohesive piece) and it's not embarrassing which is what I feared. Also a chance that it links to the old St. Louis Hawks that brought the city a championship, so there's a connection. This will obviously be the club I root for. Tampa Bay Vipers: Love the simple logo. Good identity in my opinion. New York Guardians: I'm a fan of everything about this logo and team nickname. Probably my favorite overall identity in the XFL. LA Wildcats: Love the monogram but the worst team nickname out of the bunch. A pro football team with a generic college sports mascot? Seems even more self-evident that this is generic and lacking imagination in that the logo doesn't connect with the team nickname at all. Seattle Dragons: Good concept, don't mind the team nickname, but the logo looks super generic to me. Not bad, necessarily, just lacking in imagination. I agree with others that it looks like UAB's logo. Houston Roughnecks: Everything about this is good. Dallas Renegades: I echo that it seems to reflect the Dallas Desperados logo which gives it a demerit, but not a bad logo and appropriate for the city without trying to be a Cowboys knockoff. DC Defenders: Like the nickname a lot, but despise the logo. Definitely the worst out of the bunch. The shield looks bloated, the lightening disjointed, and it's just plain dull.

Okay sure.

… walked into that one. Got me there.

Sometimes I'm bad at picking up humor on the interwebz

I definitely think his comment was dumb, but can you be racist against.... something that is not a race? Or is that the joke?

He then tweeted this: OHNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On the other hand, if the fans call them 'Goyles casually, they can chant GO GOYLES and then it just sounds like "Gargoyles" so it works perfectly if you really think about it.

And he's important enough to name a football team after him?

I see in the comments that people are saying Vipers has to be St. Louis. I'm aware of the roller hockey St. Louis Vipers but literally know nothing about wrestling outside Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Undertaker (and even then, just that they exist), so if there's some wrestling connection between "Vipers" and St. Louis please let me know... because I personally think that would be a terrible team nickname unless there's a reason.

Those are some dang attractive shield logos. I echo that Herons is a very unique moniker and I'm a big fan of this rebrand.