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Are you really gonna use them as an example? They needed a clean break from their old nickname. Who else is in their situation and needs to make a splash? You're afraid the Colts will use the Commanders as an example? lol They almost need to be treated as an expansion team. It's not like they can go retro anyway

That's just evidence that a 2nd helmet option was gonna come back eventually, not necessarily evidence that teams will use it to pump out garish looking helmets that will dilute their identity just because they can. Where is the evidence that the Steelers, Cowboys, Bears or Packers will wear something as equally unattractive as the Jaguars split helmet? The Packers are still wearing an outdated jersey template and I'M the naive one for thinking they'll say "thanks but no thanks" to any off-the-wall ideas Nike may come up with? If the league has shown anything lately is that they CAN'T and WON'T pressure any team into wearing what they want. The Rams alternate jersey in the SB, the sock situation, the new number rules. They won't force anyone to wear chrome helmets

The way I see it, I'm not the one being condescending. You made no point. You just said my (really tame) ideas were, and I quote, "horrific". I can't concede that you've made any interesting point unfortunately, as the only argument in favour of having only one shell is the vague notion that tradition must be conserved at all costs, otherwise, the NFL is inevitably going to look like the NBA and completely dilute their branding soon. I'm just not seeing it, and I'm asking for evidence and all you guys can bring up is a different league I get the idea that the football helmet has a long history of being seeing as the de-facto logo of every team but is it even the case anymore? Just an example, how is the Eagles wearing a black winged helmet any different than a kelly green helmet? Because kelly green has been worn before? Even in all-black from head to toe, don't you think they'd still be easily identifiable by even the most casual observer? And once again, who's to say teams will jump at the opportunity to go with a secondary colour as opposed to simply being able to wear accurate throwbacks with matching helmets? So far, the Bucs and Seahawks have said that they intented on going retro, right? Well, who exactly came out and said, "nah, none of this wack retro stuff. #blackout baby "

Again, I dunno why you feel the need to compare it to every other league in the world. The NFL is clearly its own thing What evidence? The Jaguars? They reverted back to a basic black helmet as soon as they could. The... Rams? Now that they've unveiled a white jersey, I've been seeing a lot more positive reactions to their set on this very forum. It seems like their uniforms are growing on people slowly but surely and that if they would ditch the bone jerseys and stop going mono blue, not many would be complaining about the rest of their set Am I missing something more obvious? I feel like all the teams that have tried going in a more outlandish direction have all reverted back to more traditional uniforms, or will in a few years once they're allowed to. What am I not seeing? Oh and being a lifelong Montreal Canadiens fan and being lectured on tradition is quite funny to me. The Raiders could wear a black helmet just as the Canadiens wore a blue jersey last year. Sure, it feels weird at first but you could still tell you were watching the Canadiens in their iconic jerseys, it made the colour balance a little different but they didn't "destroy" their legacy or identity or anything like that. No one is saying that the Raiders need a chrome gold helmet to fit with the other Vegas team and nothing makes me think they would ever consider it either

You can be scared all you want, I see no evidence pointing to that conclusion. You can fear a slippery slope all you want, I just can't see the Steelers getting a chrome helmet or the Packers mimicking Swiss cheese with fake holes on their helmets because the Commanders have a black helmet or because the NBA, a different league, a different sport even, are hellbent on selling as many jerseys as possible and have next to no strong, consistent identities save for a handful of teams Your irrational fear of matte black or chrome helmets is what is stopping you from embracing the endless possibilities of having a secondary helmet and frankly, I just find it unfortunate for you. And I'm not specifically singling you out, but just the people who hate/dread the idea of a 2nd helmet in general

You're just proving my point. It's "horrific" just because it's not what you're used to seeing. Nothing is objectively horrific about a black Raiders helmet. It would look great with the black jerseys, and if they had been using black helmets for the last 50 years and I had suggested silver, you'd be saying it's "horrific". You're not even reasonable enough to say "I wouldn't like it, I prefer when things stay simple" instead I didn't even suggest a chrome or matte finish, 50/50 splits, gradients or anything that could potentially be seen as distasteful by a vast majority of people. I mostly suggested colours that have mostly been used by the team before, save for teal and light blue. Some college teams use those colours on their helmets and they don't look "horrific" You know what, now I just want the Vikings to prove me wrong and bust out a ridiculous matte black helmet with a tiny logo on the forehead and an iridescent yellow/purple facemask just so I can laugh at your impotent rage

To be honest, I had completely forgotten about that jersey lol. Then again, it's the NBA. The Bulls are still about as traditional and consistent as you're gonna get in that league where even the Lakers and Knicks don't see their uniforms as sacred and untouchable, maybe I could have said the Spurs instead but you get my point, both leagues are absolutely NOT comparable in terms of uniform culture

Frankly, I don't think any of that seems "feasible", while we're at it, isn't also feasible that the Raiders add hot pink to their colour scheme? I get your point about Washington already making people nervous but I'm pretty sure they would have butchered their identity with or without the extra helmet. This is a very specific case where the owner is an idiot and where they also had to distance themselves as much as possible from the old identity with the forbidden old nickname. I don't think any of this applies to the Steelers who haven't changed their uniforms in forever. Or the Ravens that haven't changed their uniforms in like 25 years. Or the Eagles that also haven't changed their uniforms in 25 years. Like I said, and I'm just a regular guy with no connections and average intelligence lol, but I'd still bet a lot of money on the fact that no self respecting team will come up with outlandish stuff like that. None of them have ever done anything to make me feel anxious about a chrome helmet or a flag helmet. It would be extremely out of character for the vast majority of teams. I could see the Eagles coming up with a black helmet but let's be real, it's way more likely that they would just make a kelly green throwback. And worst case scenario, I don't think a black helmet would "destroy" their identity more than the black jersey already does. They'd still have the iconic wings. You're all stressing out for no reason. Everything will be fine, I promise lmao There aren't too many team we need to be worried about I think. Even the Jaguars have probably learned their lesson with their last two non-traditional helmets that were universally derided. Titans, Jets? Rams, maybe? Probably the only teams I could see going the outlandish route I also think there's a huge difference in uniform culture in the NFL and NBA. There aren't too many teams in the NFL that have drastically changed their identity several times like the Warriors, Hawks, Rockets, Nuggets, Jazz, Wizards, Raptors etc, I could go on and on. For every team like the Bulls and Celtics there's 10 teams that can't seem to choose an identity and stick to it. It's not as common in the NFL. It's the other way around actually. I don't think it's fair to compare them

That's just your opinion. If you think having three pairs of pants is "destroying" your identity, then sure, adding an extra helmet is probably the end of the world for you. I don't see any point in continuing this discussion with you any further. You never have anything nice to say to anything or anyone. I don't recall ever seeing you praise a uniform or agree with anyone. All you do on here is whine and act like a know-it-all, always trying to win arguments instead of just exchanging thoughts and sometimes conceding that the other person made an interesting point. The only reason I haven't blocked you yet is because I'm not a coward lol

You're right, I guess you could say I'm just being optimistic. I'm not sure how alternate helmets could represent an additional revenue stream, though. I know some people buy replica helmets but the market for that has to be tiny compared to jersey sales Weren't teams forced into participating in the color rush program by the NFL? Again, comparing apples to oranges I think. And even then, correct me if I'm wrong but some teams resisted the idea and sorta refused to participate fully (not wearing solid socks for example, or just wearing shoulders-to-knee white), and didn't Washington just opt out completely and flat out said "no"? I may be optimistic but you're being overly pessimistic lol

Again, knee jerk reaction. The NBA have up to four (or is it FIVE?) jerseys a year, at least one of them can't be worn for more than one season and they're strongly encouraged to think outside the box and experiment with different colours You're comparing apples to oranges. None of this is gonna happen with the introduction of ONE extra helmet. I bet most teams won't even use their right to have more than one. Do you seriously think the Raiders will add a black helmet? or the Bears will add an orange one? The teams that are gonna add an helmet to the rotation are the ones that have already watered down their identity by wearing 20 different combos a year so in the grand scheme of things I don't think the league's overall visual identity will suffer much from it. No more than it already has at least. Until I'm proven wrong and the Packers come out with a matte black helmet, it's mostly just gonna be an opportunity to have more accurate throwbacks

Wtf. Why? If anything, this would have made a fantastic Lightning jersey

This! Just the same old knee jerk reaction we see every time on here whenever something new is announced. Because old=good, new=bad! Of course some teams are gonna go with a generic black helmet and it's gonna suck (I immediately think of the Jets and Eagles but some teams might surprise us like I dunno, the Cards maybe?) I feel like some teams are gonna go with white since the stormtrooper look is trendy right now. The Lions might be one of those teams. The Bengals definitely will and it's gonna look great. Most teams could look okay with a white helmet but it's kinda boring What I personally hope to see Bills - No need for a second helmet but red could be nice with the color rush or with the regular jerseys once or twice a year Ravens - No need but purple might look good against the Steelers especially Panthers - Process Blue! And hopefully by year 2 it becomes their primary Bengals - White obviously Browns - I can hear the pitchforks coming but why not... Brown? Not that they really need a 2nd helmet Broncos - Orange. Either the throwback but why not the current helmet in orange? I think it could look good Packers - Internet pitchfork mob coming once again. I can't stand yellow helmets. They need a green or white helmet Texans - Battle red! Jaguars - Teeeeeeal Raiders - I don't care what anyone says, they NEED a black helmet. To hell with tradition, once a year at least Patriots - Either white with the flying Elvis or maybe navy? I've never been a fan of silver helmets unless they're paired with silver pants and I don't like the throwbacks either Seahawks - Current helmet in silver once or twice a year with silver pants. I don't like the throwbacks and lime green would only look good on paper I think Titans - Powder blue I don't think any other team needs or should have a second helmet

Possibly a green St Pats jersey?

They should have used the Rams' and Vikings' horns, Eagles' wings and Bengals' stripes, missed opportunity

You got me ahah. The difference is subtle but I should have paid more attention to the order!

FTFY

Not many people seem to have noticed (or remember?) but the Canucks were actually black, yellow and reddish orange from '79 to 1991-92. They only changed to a true red in 1992-93 I get why the throwback uses red trim ('94 Cup Finals) but I wish they had used the orange version instead. It looked much better imo

Nothing a black sharpie can't fix

I can't be the only one who thinks these Canucks jerseys are meh? Once a year, fine. I prefer the Canucks in blue and green

Here's my unsolicited take on the Cardinals that I'm sure everyone will appreciate lol They can't go back to any of their old designs, they were all way too plain and boring and they've never won in them anyway I think the current jerseys have good elements that can stay, the name & number font, the black trim that is just the right amount, the red shoulder yokes on the white jersey and the classic white helmets obviously. I even like the gray facemasks, but I think the metallic silver the Falcons use would look even better. They can even keep the red pants, in an ideal world they would only wear them occasionally when they play a team that wears white pants and they would have striped socks to avoid the leotard look with the red socks or the equally unappealing 1800s quaker look with the plain white socks They just need to get rid of the outdated piping and vertical panels and weird tapered pant stripes and the black alternate(s), basically. Oh and no Arizona flag, please. It looked so out of place and forced

True. If it had been a permanent change I'd probably be pissed lol

The red version of the Blasty era jersey should have just been all red. With yellow/black/white chevron stripes. Like the RR version of Blasty basically, where it was all black instead of black with red below the chevron stripes. All red with a white C and white numbers would have pretty looked good. But then again, they would have still had the problem of being another red jersey and black pants team Wouldn't be that weird imo. We've had a white C before and it looked great (inb4 toilet seat jokes)

Impossible to say for certain but if the Flames had rebranded in '91, I think it would have looked a lot like the North Stars rebrand from '88. Mostly the same but with black gear and a few black stripes or outlines Basically the pedestal jerseys but without the pedestal and the weird contrasting/incomplete sleeve stripes. Could have looked alright I guess. Not as good as the original jerseys, though

I'm not even surprised, it wouldn't be the first time a 4chan meme takes a life of its own. Just wait until the #1 sign also gets hijacked by another hate group lmao This is the era of braindead PR moves