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I disagree with that completely, especially for fans of those teams. I HATED the NY Giants white jerseys with all red numbers/letters/stripes, UNTIL they wore them while winning Super Bowl XLII. Seeing your team wear the uniform while holding a trophy just makes the uni look better, imo.

I know this was a while ago, but for something like this my guess is he thinks you simply create these concepts for fun and your intention is to share them with everyone. I don't use instagram, but for those of you having your stuff stolen. Few questions, are the people stealing this stuff for financial gain? Not making money, just presenting it as their own design? Secondly, are you putting watermarks on your work? Are these people using your stuff with the watermarks or are they able to remove the watermarks?

I know this will make people on here think I am an absolute jerk, but I do not have any problem with knock-off merchandise. I agree with those that say most of them look terrible, but I can fully understand why people do not want to pay the ridiculous prices the official manufacturers are charging.

Then you're not entitled to own a jersey. Sorry, that's life. When you see someone wearing a knock-off, whether it be at a game or on the street, do you go up to them and preach about how they are not entitled to own that jersey? Anyone else on here do that?

No, you are stealing by knowingly purchasing stolen merchandise. And counterfeit jerseys are stolen in that they steal the identity from the teams and manufacturers. It is like buying a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20 (albeit one which doesn't have all the features and crashes your system periodically). I mean, you wouldn't spend $1,000 to buy the software legitimately, so it isn't like Adobe is losing money, right? The NFL has money taken away from it because it has the right to X amount of dollars for every person wearing an NFL jersey. If you don't want to give them that money, don't wear the jersey. Disagree. Not stealing anything. Want to say the makers and sellers are stealing, I'll agree. I paid my money for an item. Like I said, I am not buying the knock-off instead of the licensed as I would not buy the licensed at their price if I couldn't find a good knock-off I wanted. I made a dead-on comparison which you completely ignored. If you bought a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20, would it be stealing? Of course, you wouldn't have paid $1,000 for a legit copy, so you could argue you weren't stealing money from Adobe as you wouldn't have given it to them to begin with. Installing pirated software on your computer is a crime and so is knowingly purchasing a counterfeit jersey. I don't use pirated software, but not because of some holier-than-thou ethical idea that you guys are spewing. I do not use it because of the horror stories I have heard of it leading to problems with your computer. Stealing? No, because again you are paying for that copy. The person making the bootlegs and selling is the thief. However, at least the software makers are beginning to protect their own product my requiring people to register their pass keys online. If it were illegal to purchase a counterfeit jersey than why would the NYC Councilwoman have to propose a law to make it illegal to buy counterfeit goods? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ILLEGAL! If it was, there would be no reason to propose the law! If it was already a law, she'd simply have to meet with the DA and Police Commissioner to discuss enforcing this law.

No one has answered my question concerning designers, how many of the current MAJOR sports logos designers are paid royalties on each jersey purchased? I am guessing 0 so I am not hurting the designers in any way. This is not true. Say team A is wiling to pay $50k for a great new logo and uniform design. This is based on their analysis that a new look will spur $1,000,000 in sales in the next year. The new logo is a hit, but the counterfeiters are all over it, so sales of legit licensed gear only net $500,000. This will lead to one of two things - either the team (or the next team in a similar situation) will offer the designer (or firm) $25k for the next package, or the licensees will absorb the cost and offer significantly less next time around. Either way there's less money to pay the designer, which has a trickle down effect on the industry as a whole. It's a shame that most of the strong debaters checked out of this thread ages ago. After reading the last few pages, I'm thinking about ordering some fakes. Not really. then the firm designing the logo needs to negotiate better and say, "No, we want $50K for our services." If the designer is that good, they'll get their money.

No, you are stealing by knowingly purchasing stolen merchandise. And counterfeit jerseys are stolen in that they steal the identity from the teams and manufacturers. It is like buying a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20 (albeit one which doesn't have all the features and crashes your system periodically). I mean, you wouldn't spend $1,000 to buy the software legitimately, so it isn't like Adobe is losing money, right? The NFL has money taken away from it because it has the right to X amount of dollars for every person wearing an NFL jersey. If you don't want to give them that money, don't wear the jersey. Disagree. Not stealing anything. Want to say the makers and sellers are stealing, I'll agree. I paid my money for an item. Like I said, I am not buying the knock-off instead of the licensed as I would not buy the licensed at their price if I couldn't find a good knock-off I wanted.

But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right? If I am paying for the item, then yes. Except that you AREN'T paying for it. You decided jerseys were too expensive, so you purchase poorly-reproduced knock-offs instead. These so-called poorly produced knockoffs have lasted longer than the ones I purchased legitimately. They also look great, I would never wear one that looks like the crap posted here. That is what these guys can't comprehend. Noone is saying they all look just as good. Most are terrible. However, you can find knock-offs that look just as good.

But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right? If I am paying for the item, then yes. Except that you AREN'T paying for it. You decided jerseys were too expensive, so you purchase poorly-reproduced knock-offs instead. Keyword: PURCHASE! I am purchasing the jersey, hence I am not stealing. The NFL's bank account does not have money taken out because I am buying the cheaper jersey. Before you start with "well, they are not making the money.." save it. If all that existed were the licensed jerseys at $100+, $250 for authentics, then I would go without a jersey.

But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right? If I am paying for the item, then yes.

I am exchanging my money for a jersey, hence I am not stealing. Want to say the manufacturers or distributors are stealing, fine. Consumer is not stealing if they are paying for the jersey. It is not my job to police these companies.

I agree, that one is terrible as are 99% of the Rangers jerseys I see (they can never get the drop shadow or the arch of the names right). However, tell someone the real thing is $300 and the knock-off is $30. Most people are going to say, "For $270, I'll take the fake." They are wearing the jersey to show they are a fan of the team and the fake is communicating the same message. Who's making the money isn't their concern.

Nike and Reebok's major expenses come from the ridiculous licensing fees they agree to pay. Their cost for materials and labor are not much more than the counterfeiters.

I like some of the comments: Posted by: J | Apr 28, 2011 11:25:51 AM The puchase of knock off goods and or pirated goods does not equate to lost sales. I wish people would get this through their skulls. If something is super cheap it's probably too good to be true, if they are selling knock of stuff at originals MSRP then and only then should they be subject to legal action. Also I don't want to see my taxes being spent protectiong some rich foriegn based company's interests, they should be doing it on their own dime. I'm tired of watching governments raiding peoples houses arresting children because a buisiness has asked them to, copy rights should be defended by the owners of the rights not the public services. Posted by: haaronl | Apr 28, 2011 11:44:43 AM The USA has some incredibly stupid ideas when it comes to law making. For all your talk about freedom and justice there is very little fairness or common sense in the laws. Posted by: scott andrews | Apr 28, 2011 12:24:51 PM Well..counterfeit is jsut that..."counterfeit" so if your buying form the street and the vendor is saying that it is real..then what does the consumer know?? they buy it and get busted????this is odd... perhaps the arresting individuasl should ask where did you buy these goods and bring them to the scene of the crime where the proper arrest should be made...not the consumer... Thanks Scott I heard about the councilwoman who proposed this to the city council. Can't see it passing. What are they going to do, post undercover cops near the shops and wait for people to come purchase? Why not just bust the shop owners? Or, will they set up sting operations like when they have a female officer go undercover as a hooker and bust the customers? Seems like a waste of time and resources to me.

I'd like to see how he dances around this one. I still can't comprehend how anybody could justify conterfeits. Still no answer... sorry, shut the computer down before you posed the question. Next time, I will leave the laptop turned on all night so I can answer faster.