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3 minutes ago, The_Admiral said:

What does it confirm and what does it refute?

Most notably, Nike isn’t even allowed to contact teams and suggest changes. The teams go to the NFL, and the NFL goes to Nike. They are contractually not allowed to solicit.  So them “pushing teams to change” isn’t even allowed. 
 

Not only that, but they don’t do helmets or logos. The only logo they’ve done since the 2012 contract was the Rams, and that’s because the Rams specifically wanted them to do it.  They’ve not done any other logo or helmet. 
 

the colors are often dictated by the logos / helmets that the NFL/team pick, not Nike’s whims. Also, if a team “knows what they want”, Nike just does it. But it’s when a team just has some vague ideas, that’s when they’re instructed to “challenge” them and push the envelope. 
 

It’s not like Nike has nearly as much influence as anyone seems to think they do, and there’s been several instances where teams were like “lol no”. 
 

In fact, for the Bucs last set, Nike didn’t even want to do it - it was the Bucs owner that kept pushing for more and more wacky stuff, including materials on the numbers that Nike said was a bad idea because of how it’d get ruined in the wash. 
 

They also tried to “fix” the Vikings numbers so each digit would be the same, but the Vikings loved the sail gimmick so

much that they insisted on the inconsistency. 
 

Also, Nike design is free, but teams can still hire anyone they want to design uniforms. It’s just that since Nike’s work is already paid for, they just use them (from the neck down). 
 

The guy is retired and has no reason to lie about anything, and admits that they’re instructed to think more about the younger fan than the older ones, and the “Nike speak” and storytelling nonsense is all contrived just for sales pitches and other reasons, but that on-field presentation comes above merchandising, and when we complain, they often do too and try to “fix” things that don’t come off as expected, but aren’t allowed. 
 

TL;DR

Blame the teams. 
 

It’s really a great interview. The guy was in charge of the Jets change, but was an old Jets fan himself and didn’t even want them to do it.  

UW did an interview with a Nike NFL designer that's on his Substack page.  It's paywalled so I'm not going to copy/paste it, but it is absolutely incredible, and both confirms and (mostly) refutes what a lot of us have said about Nike when it comes to the uniform-design process.

If you're truly one of "us", you'll find it well worth the time it takes to read (it's long.)

Did he say Timbuktu?  If the league really wants London, Timbuktu is only an hour ahead, so the London Jaguars and Timbuktu Browns would be natural rivals.

A quick search shows that Timbuktu's only stadium only seats 5K, and the only 50K stadium is a good 15 hour drive.  That could be a problem.

I too don't want the Browns to move, but I could get behind the Timbuktu Titans.

Did they say if they’re keeping the Oakland A’s name, or if they’re the Las Vegas A’s (of Sacramento), or the Sacramento A’s?

Also… I thought there were snags in the LV deal and it was still far from a done deal. 

16 hours ago, coco1997 said:

If Detroit's City Connect jersey is navy, I actually hope they pair it with matching pants. After all, there's a precedent for it:

 

Agreed.  There should be more monochrome in baseball, depending on the base color.  This would work fine (though I'd rather the socks match the cap and belt).  I think most teams could get away with it.

Isn't ATL the busiest airport in the US due to how it's a hub for multiple airlines?  I'm not sure how it's possible to not have connected there at least once, unless you're just not a frequent traveler (and even then, unless you live near another major hub where there's direct flights to everywhere, it's tough.)

It's been 18 years since I was last there (and I'm a pretty-frequent traveler, albeit internationally) and it was among the worst experiences I've ever had, just due to the sheer size of it and overall disorganization.  Connecting from point a to b took seemingly an hour (it was probably less, but it felt like an hour) over the tram (which was not where the signs pointed to) and then multiple walkways, and staff that was clearly overworked, likely underpaid, and not helpful. 

Of course, everyone has different experiences and different opinions about everything.  I happen to really like EWR, not just because there's more direct flights than many other airports, but it's among the most convenient airports to get to via multiple train lines and reasonable shuttles (and has cheap parking if you buy ahead), and even through some extreme renovations, I've never had an issue knowing where I need to go and avoiding large queues.  That's probably a minority opinion.  I think PHL has improved 100% in the past 10 years and I really like flying from there too, but if there's a choice between a direct from EWR or a connecting flight from PHL (which may even be EWR), I'll pay the same - maybe even slightly more - and take the train up to EWR.

But to the point about "knowing about Atlanta if not for sports", I think there's enough famous businesses based there, and celebs that have come from there, to make it known to the average person (even if not front-of-mind like it is to sports fans.)

3 hours ago, HOOVER said:

Absolutely cannot stand defensive backs wearing numbers between 10-19.  Makes me want to :censored:ing vomit.

also single digits.

Not that I have any Fs to give over Kenny Pickett, but he can't keep his #8 because a safety that they just brought back for a second stint chose 8 over his previous number with the team (23) which was available.

So a safety is blocking a QB over #8.  Goddam ridiculous.  And even though he's never worn it, he's not giving it up because it's a tribute to Kobe

So again, while I couldn't care much less about Kenny Pickett, his only options are 7 (which just became available), 13, and 16 (also just became available.). A week ago, only 13 was available.  It's absurd that a QB has lieterally one number to "choose" from, because DBs, DEs, and other jabroni-ass jabronis are hogging all the QB numbers.

To be fair, the Eagles have retired or removed from circulation 5 (retired - McNabb), 9 (out of circulation - Big Dick Nick Foles), 12 (out of circulation, sorta - Cunningham), and 15 (retired - Steve Van Buren.)

21 hours ago, GFB said:

if anything, making the logo less complex at smaller sizes is typically the best solution.

I totally agree, I just think that in that one specific example, the tiger would be indiscernible without an outline since it's stripes would blend with the navy and the shape of the body might not be distinct enough.

32 minutes ago, BottomlessPitt said:

Bills should trade Josh Allen & the 28th pick to the Bears for the 1st & 9th picks and a 1st rounder in 2025. Bills draft a QB & WR. 

lol no way in hell the bears would make that trade. That’s silly. 
 

The orange outline is unnecessary, but at that scale, the tiger might look weird if not bounded by the white outline.  It’s not really an issue at the lager scale version used on the jersey

Some jabroni that I've never heard of, who hadn't pitched in the majors in 5 years, just got a 4-inning save for the Phillies.  I had no idea that was even possible.  What's even weirder is that the call-up didn't even get to the ballpark until the 4th inning!

I think the save stat is ridiculous to begin with, and has had a very negative impact on the game.  But it's just odd that there's such a thing as a 4-inning save.  But it's a stupid stat.

22 hours ago, Brave-Bird 08 said:

So if the Phillies wear the new City Connects on Fridays, that means the only time you will see home pinstripes for a weekend home series is on Sundays. In return you get whatever the garbage they're releasing + the new yellow Saturday alternates...

most Sundays they wear the cream throwbacks, as that’s their “day game” alt. They’ll only wear home pinstripes on Sunday if it’s an espn night game. 
 

they’ll also wear the pinstripes on Saturday night games. 

3 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

80s Royals, but same idea.

Not sure if it was all the coke (or if he even did it), but George Brett used to get nasty-ass (fully intended) hemorroides.  I knew a guy that worked the hotel they stayed at during the 1980 WS, and one of his jobs was to discreetly get medication for Brett's butthole, and they'd hand it from person to person to avoid any direct contact with the purchaser and Brett.  Apparently they didn't want to give the Phillies a competitive advantage by knowing he was having flare ups in his hole.

Or maybe it was a primitive form of Barry Bonds' "The Cream", administered anally for quick absorption.  IDK, but I feel like I've thought way too much about George Brett's hall-of-fame butthole.

2 hours ago, Red Comet said:

At least with our team, it's the fans who commit crimes, not the players. 

And (now-former) coaches, mascots, Bam Morris, Tyreke Hill and half the 2020 Super Bowl team, Justyn Ross, and even one or two of the assistant trainers and ball boys have multiple fellonies (maybe... I didn't actually fact check that part.)

Hopefully that was a tongue-in-cheek comment

On 2/20/2024 at 11:58 AM, GrayJ12 said:

Boomer Esiason playing for the Jets and the Cardinals feels very cursed.

With Boomer's work in New York sports media and the national things he does out of NY, it almost feels like he's a New York guy... specifically a Jet.

His right uniform is obviously a Bengals one, but I do associate him a little more with New York now that he's been working there for so long.

Phillies releasing their City Connect on Friday, and will wear it for all Friday home games

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2024/04/the-phillies-are-releasing-the-city-connect-jerseys-this-week.html

10 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

(2) vote to leave the A's colors and name in Oakland,

This is probably what should happen, though it would likely mean the permanent end of the line for the brand.  It's a shame that he has such little equity at this point, but it's time to retire "Athletics" and move on.  It's a lousy fit for Vegas anyway.

Has there been more of a "coming back with tail between their legs" situation than this in the past 30 - 40 years?  It was basically announced as "done", they had renderings, a welcome presser, and all that jazz, now they're in the awkwardest of awkward spots.

I can think of in-market moves that collapsed on the brink of construction (Sixers move to Camden, for ex) but nothing that was to a whole new market since the teams that played Tampa for fools and the SD>DC move that resulted in the actual "Washington NAT'L League" baseball cards.

So the Phillies and Braves don't play each other again until... July?  Godsdamned July?  How the hell can two divisional teams go more than three full months without playing each other?  Screw this schedule.

1 minute ago, ManillaToad said:

At least one of the cars used their hazard lights. Safety first

That's a good point.  Maybe I'm being a little too hard on them.

Would have been great had they tried to hitch hike their way off of the highway and it got caught on the cam.

Jesus.  How do you think you can just casually walk away like it didn't happen?  I'm guessing none of their IQs is higher than the speed they were going.
 

The only thing better would be if they were whistling.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/03/31/first-photos-rashee-rice-car-crash-site-dallas-occupants-leaving-scene/

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1 hour ago, Cujo said:

Henry Ruggs 2.0

 

It’s a little premature to say that, but was just checking TMZ… and these dudes just casually got out of the Lambo and other car and walked away as if nothing had happened and nobody was watching. There’s not evidence that the actual player was there, but photos of other guys just walking away like “Crash? what crash? That was like that when we got here.”

Somehow nobody was hurt. 

11 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I don't think we are.

 

You're saying that the Angels' lack of pennants should diminish Trout's Hall of Fame case (even though you acknowledge that it will not). I consider that argument to be without merit.

OK, you win.

3 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I'm sorry, but that is not a sensible position.  If the Angels have made the postseason only once during Trout's career, that's not on account of any inadequacies of Trout's contributions — just as the Cubs' lack of pennants was not down to anthing that Banks failed to do.  To punish Trout for the failures of other players is illogical.

 

This guy is a three-time MVP; that alone would qualify him as a legit Hall of Famer if he retired today.  The expected 500 home runs will only make him ridiculously overqualified. Nothing can diminish all of that.

I think we're arguing different points.

3 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

But once a player gets to a certain level of accomplshment, there's no longer any argument.

If you mean that once you hit the magic numbers (and weren't on steroids) that you're a HOFer, then by every historical precedent, then you're right.  I'm not arguing that he'll be in the HOF.

I just think that while you say other factors can supplement overwhelming numbers in a way that gets a guy in, I think that the opposite can be true too, and "other factors" should negate the overwhelming numbers.  Key word "should", because they don't.  But in the BBTVHOF, they do.

Let's really stir stuff up (because there's about two more posts before these all get moved to a newly-created "pointless HOF debate" thread:  Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins are more deserving of being in the HOF than Mike Trout (as of now.)