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  1. 1 hour ago, Bluefalcon said:


    The Patriots had new uniforms in 1993, 1994, and 1995. I'm guessing this was before the NFL put in its 5-year rule on uniform changes.


    I think that was the early days of "Proline", which was probably the first step toward getting us to where we are now.  The Eagles also made changes each year when they came out with their first midnight green set in '96.  Most of the changes weren't as significant as the Patriot's, but they did get rid of the sleeve stripes and replace with a logo after the first season, which could be thought of as significant.



  2. 48 minutes ago, ramsker said:


    Has there any sort of history of a team releasing a new uniform multiple years in a row? I really think that it was too late to make any changes to the set that they put out after the logo backlash, but they were able to work a deal out with the NFL to allow them to release new ones over the next few years. I think that is why there was such a delay. 


    Considering the NFL wasn't going to even allow them to switch full time to the throwbacks without holding them to the 5-year things, I'd say there's zero room for negotiating that policy.


    The only thing that might get for the owners to make an exception is if the new gear was dead last in sales, and therefore bringing everyone else down.  New gear always sells at first, so there's zero chance of that happening.

  3. 9 hours ago, henburg said:


    Switching back on topic...changing from a gradient fill to a solid fill is a bit more of a noticeable change, but the NFL seems to be trending more relaxed rules in regards to uniforms, so who knows? 


    Relaxed rules when it comes to things like socks and alts, but is there any evidence of relaxed rules when it comes to noticeable jersey modifications?  I doubt they'd allow anything that 1) wasn't for legitimate legibility reasons, and 2) required the replicas, shirsies, and other merch to be modified to match.

  4. 2 hours ago, ramsker said:

    The Rams' beat writers for The Athletic had a podcast about the uniform release. They mentioned that they got the sense that they are listening to fans reaction to the new uniforms and that will influence what they do going forward. They said with some confidence that they doubt the gradients will last, even saying they may last only 1 or 2 years. Maybe a numeral revision à la the Titans would be allowable within the NFL rules? My guess would be that the next two they put out will be much more traditional and could really just overtake the ones they put out this year. 


    The Titans was just thickening, right?  Did they even have to change it for the retail jerseys?  I don't think there's much - if anything - the Rams can do if they're having second thoughts now.  I'm struggling to think of any other number "adjustments" in the past 15 or so years.  The last ones I can think of at all are the 2000 STL Rams (on-field change only), '97 Jaguars (changed during the preseason... not sure what happened with the replicas) and the mid-late '90s 49ers (just a change in block styles due to manufacturer change - before things were standardized) (can't say what year because the Gridiron Database uses #11 for some dumb reason.)

  5. Neither the Yankees nor the Dodgers took a left turn at Albuquerque during the pullover era. The Giants did, and it’s a wonderful period-specific script to use as an alt. The Pirates could also be considered one of those teams, had they not mucked it up from the mid 70s-late90s (and now maybe again). 

  6. 5 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

    See, this is why people who hate bad design hate it so much — because, once a rotten design is around for a while, the kiddies don't know any better.  Hence the goofballs who think that monochrome uniforms are good.  Bad design is a form of pollution, even moreso when it becomes entrenched and when it perversely attracts defenders.



    So I'm a goofball, and you're an expert on design?  I have a few words I'd like to say back, but they may be phrases that became popular within the last 30 years, so I'm sure you'd fire back that I don't know the real English or something like that.  I'm 100% convinced that you're a contrarian troll.

  7. With TV numbers, the vertical stripes are just as bad and useless as the horizontal ones.  Run it the whole way up the sleeve.


    Regarding the Steelers... while there's several ways to improve their look... 3d/beveled numbers ain't one.



  8. The gold trim and oversized script are part of what makes the modern version so great IMO.  I'd hate to give that up.


    I'm indifferent to the headspoon.  It looks fine with, but might be better without.

  9. I imagine if this board was around back then, many people - possibly including me - would have called them clown suits, unprofessional, and that they're just wearing tiger halloween costumes.


    Most of us have the benefit of only knowing these since they were in use before we were born, so I think that might help form our opinions that these are normal and professional.


    I'm curious how we would have reacted had the Jaguars come out with the same uniform, with with jaguar spots everywhere the Bengals had tiger stripes.

  10. Now that TV numbers aren't required, the sleeve stripe should run vertically from neck to cuff, like the old Astros rainbow-racing stripe (the version right after tequila sunrise.)


    Similar to this, but without the dumb undershirt:



  11. I don't know what the NHL standings look like, but would this be possible and more fair?


    Look at the teams that are currently OUT of the playoffs.  See if they have fewer GP than the current WC teams.  If so, and if making up those games could mathematically get them IN the playoffs, then they deserve the chance to have the same number of games played.


    • A quick look at the East standings shows that CAR and CBJ are the wild cards, both with 81 points, but CBJ has 70 GP while CAR only has 68.
    • NYI is currently OUT, but has 80 points, with 68GP.
    • So, NYI is mathematically still in it if they had the same GP as CBJ - and CAR also deserves to have the same GP since they could theoretically get passed by NYI if the games were even.
    • So... NYI and CAR play, giving both teams 69 games.
      • If CAR wins, they move up to 83 points, and cannot be passed by NYI, so they're done.  The're IN.
      • Now, CBJ is at risk (even though they already have 70 games played), and NYI only has 69 GP, so they play each other in a play-in.


    Theoretically, more teams could be involved, and it could get complicated, but it's more fair than making a team that's solidly in the playoffs have to put their place on the line in a play-in, and therefore have to win one additional series than the top-4 teams.



  12. On 5/24/2020 at 7:08 PM, disman00911 said:



    1992 Philadelphia Phillies had new uniforms/logo/red & royal blue color scheme but were still wearing the maroon-themed uniforms during preseason.  Go to 4:18 on this video about the 1992 MLB season.



    Not only during the preseason, but also during opening day warmups!  The Phanatic was traveling around the city with the new uniforms locked in a trunk, and arrived at the stadium after batting BP, so the first time the fans saw the new uniforms was during player intros.  No fancy uni unveiling during the offseason - just the logo, which wasn't even celebrated - just kinda mentioned in the newspaper - nothing.



  13. I loved that Giants script when I first saw it on early '80s baseball cards, and I love it even more today.  The shade of orange is perfect too.  I may love it even more on a black or white alt.


    Me, when they brought that script back:


  14. 1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

    Nike didn’t make uniforms back then any more than they do today, but definitely had an in-house design team; I know for a fact that they pitched the Packers on a significant uniform change.

    Green Bay wasn’t Interested, having just rejected a total overhaul three years earlier.  Rebuffed, Nike suggested instead cutting down the sleeve stripes, and the Packers found that one an acceptable change.  Seems obvious in retrospect, making standard what most players were doing anyway, but the idea of making it official originated with Nike.


    Knowing that Nike went through this with the Packers leading up to the 1997 season, and the Steelers adopted their italic numbers at the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if the process was the same for both clubs.  Who knows?  There might exist radical Steelers concepts somewhere in an Oregon file drawer.


    I've been reading a lot about that change, and it seems to back what you're saying about Nike, right after getting the team from Starter, pushing for a change to help with sluggish sales, but the Steelers not wanting change, so the patch and numbers were the compromise.


    Isn't one of people's issues with the Steelers italicized font that the helmet numbers aren't italicized?


    If so, are we sure they're not?  Look at Kordell's 1 - it's clearly closer to the stripe at the top than the bottom.

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  15. 40 minutes ago, pollux said:


    A very basic google search shows that it's a virus... So while it may have come from the ad network here, have you tried removing the virus (even if on multiple machines)?


    Huh.  I assumed that since two machines, and only this site open, that the site was the culprit so I didn't pursue it further.  My bad.  Some not-basic googling pointed me to the Youtube for TV extension, which I have just deleted, so we'll see.  All the other removal procedures I've found seem very painful and invasive.  I'd imagine that it's not as simple as removing an extension, but fingers crossed.  There was nothing unexpected in running processes, regedit, add/remove programs, or any system directories.

  16. I don't think Nike made their uniforms even if their swoosh was on them.  Also, while we know that Denver did, were many teams even using Nike's design services back then?  Did Nike have a large in-house design team back then?  My bet is that the majority of the teams contracted the design work to local firms, or maybe had in-house designers, who would then work with Nike or Puma or whoever to make the prototypes.


    I'm not sure how Nike would be in position to "compromise" at all.  I think the most likely scenario is that someone just said "oh, that looks cool - let's go with that"... a decision I happen to agree with.