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  1. Hi everyone, I have recently started a new project where I have made it a goal of mine to combine all of the sports logos from NHL, NBA, NFL and MLB (and at times MLS) from all of the major cities in the U.S. and Canada to create a singular city logo. I know this has been done countless times before but the way my designs stand out is they are more cohesive. They feel less like something was Frankenstein'd together and can almost act as a standalone logo. Consider this the definitive collection. I say this with confidence because they were all composed in Adobe Illustrator with linework redone to make the designs more seamless, images rendered in crisp high resolution quality, each one taking several hours of work and trial and error and the cherry on top of the cake is that I own my own print shop so I can make stickers and shirts out of these designs. It's a true passion project for me. My journey began when I was first getting serious about graphic design, the summer right before I enrolled at DePaul in 2013. I created a mashup of all the Chicago logos because I wanted my own version of it. All the variations I had seen online did not do the city justice and I wanted something genuinely more badass that wouldn't look cheesy. I dubbed it "The Chicago Beast". It was cool for a few years and then I sort of forgot about it - well in 2019 I decided to take another crack at it and make a wildly popular rendition of this logo mashup combination - you may have seen it online (I made a North Side - Cubs and a South Side - White Sox version. Both featured elements of the Blackhawks, Bears and Bulls. I have made slightly different variations - some including the 6 star Chicago flag and others with different color arrangements. Fast forward to 2021 - A whole year of the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown had me yearning for another creative project that I can do for fun. I decided - why not give every city this same treatment? And so I did - "Major League Remix" (#MajorLeagueRemix). I will be posting the designs in this thread and would love some feedback! While I do consider these designs to be 'complete', as a true designer, I know there is always room for improvement, especially since teams change logos frequently. A few things to note (ground rules) for my concepts: They don't necessarily have to use the entire design of the logo in the mashup. They can be as little or as much as possible - the only rule is they have to look cohesive and make sense - no Frankenstein work! I often use past versions of team logos although I try to use the current ones as much as I can. This is because my goal is to make the logo look good, and if I use the core logo, it may not look the best. I have struggled a lot to piece some of these together because of the lack of uniqueness, clean design or symmetry so I have had to resort to alternates. Colors are fair game - as long as they are pulled directly from within the color palette of the city's sports logos. They all have a white border with rounded corners for consistency and also to set them up for sticker printing. That is all! I am so glad to be a part of this awesome forum - I can't think of a more perfect place to post this kind of work on the internet. If you want to follow me on social media - I am @DeluxeGraphicSupply on Instagram and Facebook. My website is also DeluxeGraphicSupply.com Chicago Bulls x Bears x Blackhawks x White Sox
  2. Hello everyone, I decided after the announcement of the USFL possibly coming back next year to put some thoughts into refreshing some of the old USFL team identities. Since the new league is aiming for 8 teams to start, I decided to choose 8 for the first run of the series, but if the demand is there I may expand to more teams. I don't have a good uniform template, so I'll be doing just logos and helmets for this series. These are the teams I'll be doing starting out: Page 1: Chicago Blitz - posted Denver Gold - posted Detroit Panthers (formerly Michigan) - posted Los Angeles Express - posted New Jersey Generals - posted & revised Page 2: Oakland Invaders - posted & revised Tampa Bay Bandits - posted Washington Federals - posted Revised Detroit Panthers - posted Page 3: Revised New Jersey Generals - posted Coming soon: Revised Tampa Bay Bandits Arizona Outlaws Birmingham Stallions Jacksonville Bulls Philadelphia Stars Pittsburgh Maulers San Antonio Gunslingers Here's my take on a new logo for the league itself to get started. I'll be sharing the teams in alphabetical order so Chicago will start things off with my next post.
  3. Following the Super Bowl, a blend of work-from-home malaise and a regular loop of Full Color Football and other old NFL Films compilations on YouTube got me thinking about an intriguing idea. AFL fan and historian Ange Coniglio suggested the following: what if instead of the AFL being absorbed into the NFL in the 1970 merger the two leagues had unified on an equal, but separate footing to form something akin to Major League Baseball? And thus the idea for Major League Football was born. This basically just gave me the excuse to take a stab at football uniforms for the first time in a retro context. So this series will include all NFL teams with following loose guidelines (don't apply too much logic to these): All 32 NFL teams will be represented with their current geographic location and franchise name, except for Washington which will get an original name and look. There is no AFC or NFC. The original AFL and NFL league names are retained. The Steelers, Colts and Ravens (by virtue of being the original Browns) remain in the NFL with the other original 13 teams. Any expansion teams post 1970 join the original AFL teams (I know, this would leave the AFL at an imbalance with the NFL until 2002 - this is just a thought experiment). All uniforms are rendered in a 1960's era aesthetic for consistency, simplicity and to actually provide some sleeve space to work with. I won't claim every design is overhauled from scratch. There are some uniforms that are too iconic to not replicate. Others are a blend of colors and elements from different eras of a franchise. For some teams it's simply me representing their "best of" visual identity. Some are fauxback designs for franchises that never existed in the 60's. At the very least, I tried to add one unique element to each set, even if it's only an alternate logo. So without further ado, here's the Major League Football series... AFL NFL East - Patriots - Giants - Panthers - Cowboys - Dolphins - Eagles - Jets - Steelers North - Broncos - Lions - Bengals - Vikings - Browns - Bears - Bills - Packers Game Officials South - Buccaneers - Admirals - Jaguars - Ravens - Texans - Falcons - Titans - Colts West - Chiefs - Cardinals - Raiders - Saints - Seahawks - Rams - Chargers - 49ers
  4. I was Googling earlier this afternoon and found this prototype Phoenix Suns jersey from the early '70s. I am assuming that it was around the time they switched to their famous Western Font style. Does anyone have any info on it? It also made me interested in finding other prototype jerseys in the Big Four. I am aware of the Nordiques and a Padres jersey from the '90s. Does anyone else have any they want to share here?
  5. Hey everyone, I decided to get going with another series and look at the defunct Arena Football League which, especially back in the 90s had some really fun team identities to play with. I actually intended to do this prior to my Milwaukee Expansions Teams series but saw Wideright do his own awesome version of this idea and wanted to give that some space before bringing mine up. Some logos I had already done before seeing his work, but decided to still show my takes. To help this one stand apart despite doing a similar concept of trying to modernize older Arena Football League logos and branding, I am focusing on teams not done there (aside from those already done). I don't have a particular number of teams in mind, this could be sometime I come back to while also working on another bigger project I have in mind. I have several in the can and ready to present, but here I will start off with my take on an update for the Chicago Bruisers. On the logo I focused on thickening the lines, adding a more aggressive edge, and simplifying the color pallette while also making it pop more. The lighter blue from the Chicago flag really stands out, and in general I have it down to 3 colors + white, rather than the 5 + white in the old one. For the helmet my big thing to help this one stand out was the diagonal stripe meant to emulate the dog collar going around the player's neck. I also put the trademark Chicago flag star in the center of the helmet to help fill the negative space there. I hope you all enjoy this take! Further posts have included (in order): Chicago Bruisers Revision Toronto Phantoms + revisions Portland Forest Dragons + revisions Minnesota Fighting Pike Grand Rapids Rampage
  6. Hi guys (again) I have plenty stuffs that I'm working on, And rather than create 50 threads I'll post them all here if it's allowed. I need some C&C before posting any of these & future designs on my portfolio. -Wofford : I've done two versions because I'm torn... which one you guys think will work better?
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  8. What are your favorite pro wrestling logos? It could be anything from pay-per-views to personal wrestler logos to championship side plate logos to even bottom-third chirons. Anything pro wrestling related. My favorite pay-per-view logo is WrestleMania XIX. If WWE were to “standardize“ an annual WrestleMania logo, I would want it to be based on this one.
  9. A couple years back, I redesigned the entire MJHL. In case you didn't know, the MJHL or Manitoba Junior Hockey League is a Junior A league in Canada, which is part of the CJHL. There have actually been a bunch of MJHLers who have made the NHL now. Zach Whitecloud with Vegas, Cole Smith with the Preds, Jordin Tootoo played in the MJHL once upon a time, Barry Trotz coached in the MJHL for the Dauphin Kings, Brady Keeper with the Panthers, Wyatt Kalynuk with the Blackhawks, Travis Zajac, Travis Hamonic, and a couple others. All that to say, it is becoming a more prominent league and has a high rate of sending alumni to NCAA schools in all 3 divisions. I decided to scrap my previous redesign of the MJHL and start again. Here's the basics of what I wanted to accomplish. I rebranded the league's logos and special uniforms for the MJHL/SJHL showcase they play every year. I also redesigned every team in the league. Each team has an updated or rebranded logo and four uniforms. Since in the MJHL, they switch their home and away uniforms half way through the year, they are referred to as Dark, Light, Alternate, and Retro. Typically, the MJHL runs with 3 consistent uniforms at most, but I couldn't help but adding a retro option. (The 3 doesn't include special event uniforms.) To this date, one of my redesigns is actively being used by a team. My hometown Steinbach Pistons allowed me to work with them to redesign their uniforms and logo. I was honoured to say the least. So that will be the only team that isn't technically redesigned because I already redesigned it haha. They're just using my redesign already. So after my long explanation, we shall start with the new MJHL branding and uniforms. I'll just add, I wouldn't personally include a roundel logo in the league branding, but they have an option for it currently, so I thought I'd just add that in, to stay consistent. Any C&C is appreciated!
  10. Greetings! I've decided to put forth a new logo series for my hypothetical league, the Arena Ultimate Association. Here's the imagined scenario: It's mid-2021, and arena operators and owners anticipating people in mass returning to sporting events are in need of new product, given the fall of various minor league teams/leagues the past year or so. Rather than invest in things which have had struggles like indoor football, they decide to capitalize on of the world's fastest growing sports, Ultimate Disc. While traditionally played outdoors, AUA staff have adapted the game to fit into a hockey rink-sized field. The game will be recognizable and work to maintain the unique inclusiveness and spirit of the game, while offering twists to take advantage of the new venue. It'd be starting off in Early 2022 with 8 teams, and maybe expanding if this turns out to be a hit on the forum. I'll share more details about the rules and teams later, but here's a look at the league logos and wordmarks. I hope you all enjoy! I do have some basic rules ready to go that I'll share also. This will be the basic template for league infographics moving forward.
  11. Taking a break from my one project to do another. I drive an ‘09 Pontiac G5 and thought to myself, “What if GM never had to file for bankruptcy and shut down multiple manufacturers?” Where would they be today and how would they look? Initially I only took on Pontiac and quickly realized they probably wouldn’t have changed much. So, without further ado... Pontiac- Original- But then I thought about another GM Company, Saturn and how they would look. Saturn- Original-
  12. So I'm not entirely sure where or when it started, but I've heard bandied about the notion that the best sports logos, or maybe even best logos in general, should be able to be drawn by a bored 3rd grader on his notebook during class. I agree with this opinion generally, even if there are quite a few exceptions. The Flyers, 80's Phillies, Hawks, Whalers, Atlanta Flames, Buffalo Braves, etc. all have that classic 70's style logo look to them and are some of my personal favorite Big 4 logos thanks to that. So I got to thinking, what would the NHL look like if every logo passed the doodle test? And after a good while and a whole lot of doodling myself, here's my answer. I redesigned every team's emblem and tried to keep each as simple and easily replicated as possible. For creativity's sake I redid iconic and already very simple logos like Philly, St. Lou, and Montreal, and even remade the NHL logo itself. Let me know what you think of these little nuggets and whichever teams you'd like to see tweaked or elaborated, I'll tweak or do a few jersey sets and maybe small merch sets. Thanks People!
  13. Stumbled across this and thought it would interest y'all. Some great info in there like how 41 fans picked the name of the team and how there were 77 revisions done on the original logo. Check it out! BrandingtheMavericks.com
  14. I wasn't sure where to put all of these, so I figured I'd start a new thread of small little finds I found while browsing the 'net -- and specifically, right now -- Getty Images. Most of these are small oddities, difficult finds and what not. I was going to open this up to stuff I found in other sports, but basketball and NBA history in the 70s and 80s has recently captured my attention. Anyways ... some of my finds: GORGEOUS Color vs. Color in Baltimore against the Bullets and Warriors (also note it's Ladies Night!) Royals vs. Warriors game in Phoenix's Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum. The caption says it was a 1967 pre-season game. Note Rick Barry in the old-style Warriors' jersey. He never wore these in the regular season as 'The City' jerseys were introduced on Opening Night 1967. Larry Nance wearing #6 in the half season right after he was traded to Cleveland from Phoenix. Similarly, Kevin Johnson wore #11 in Phoenix for the half season after he was traded from Cleveland to Phoenix. Interesting font and styling of Tom McMillen's name on this Hawks' jersey. Not sure why the underline? Notice the name on the back of Dave Stallworth of the Bullets. The name was pretty long so the "st" of Stallworth is white to not clash with the blue stripe.
  15. Since the Kraken just debuted their awesome new S logo and the Mariners already have one, let's see who can create the best S logo for the Seahawks to go along with them. Can just be for fun, but offering a bunch of free PSD mockup templates from my site to the best design as a prize. Link to Twitter post if you want to post your design there or just post in here. Really looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with! Hoping to get some good submissions and announce a winner after the weekend.
  16. Hi All, I really would love to see the Seattle Pilots return, since the Mariners are so pitiful. I think some sure-fire ways that they could stick around this time is by 1) appealing to the whole state of Washington, not just Seattle, and b) ensuring people know that they were always meant to be BOAT pilots, not airplane pilots as most people assumed. So here is my concept logo, made entirely by me. My apologies since I'm not really good at this thing and it's been really difficult to get Illustrator working on my Windows 98 computer. But I am willing to learn!! Please give me your tips and feel free to critique as you see fit!!
  17. Everyone known what the term “Black For Black’s Sake’s” is regarding sports logos and uniforms. Paul Lukas, founder of the website “Uni-Watch” and former ESPN writer, is credited for coining the term. Teams with no prior history of having black in their color scheme either adding black to their color scheme or overhauling their identify altogether with a strong emphasis on black. Many expansion teams of the 1990s were likely to add feature black in their identities. But when did the fascination with black began? It depends on the league. I’ll only focus on the four major sports (NHL, NFL, MLB, and NBA). If anyone wants to mention minor league teams, college teams (football and basketball), the CFL, and soccer teams (MLS, Premiere League, etc) down the line, that’s fine. I'll start with the NHL NHL I’ll pinpoint to the Los Angeles Kings’ 1988 rebrand (switching from Laker colors to Raider colors), combined with trading for Wayne Gretzky, as the beginning of the increase of the color black in NHL (and in all of sports). As a result, the Kings would soon become one of the more popular teams in the NHL and play a key role in the NHL’s expansion into other California cities and in the Southern USA (much to the chargin to some Canadian/Northern US traditionalists). Unlike most teams that changed to black from the late 80s onward, the Kings are one of the few teams that actually look good in black. Pre-1990s Of the original 6 teams, only the Boston Bruins wore black as a major color with yellow (athletic gold) as the secondary color. The Chicago Blackhawks have black as a secondary color as red is their primary color. When the NHL expanded in 1968, the Philadelphia Flyers introduced an orange/black color scheme with orange as the primary color. For example, the lineup of NHL team uniforms during the 1975/1976 season. 1976/77 – California Golden Seals relocated to Cleveland to become the Barons. The franchise changed their color scheme from tealish-green/yellow to dark red/black. 1978/79 – The Barons folded and merged with the Minnesota North Stars. - The Vancouver Canucks have new uniforms and changed their color scheme from blue/green to black/yellow/orange. 1979/80 - Inspired by then-recent champion success of the other Pittsburgh teams (Steelers and Pirates), The Pittsburgh Penguins changed their uniforms during the middle of the season. The color scheme changed from navy blue/light blue to black/yellow. The Bruins objected to the Penguins’ color scheme, but the NHL allowed the Penguins to change their colors. 1980/81 - The Penguins’ first full season in their new color scheme. 1981/82 - The Minnesota North Stars add black as a 3rd color to their green/yellow color scheme 1985/86 - The Canucks changed their uniforms (toned down from the ugly “V” uniforms) but retain their color scheme. The uniforms would be further toned down exchanging yellow jerseys for white in 1989. 1988/89 - The Los Angeles Kings changed their logo and uniforms from “Laker” (purple and yellow) colors to “Raider” colors (black and silver). - The North Stars change the color of their shorts from green to black.
  18. The Minor Leagues of professional baseball are known for wacky and weird team names. This thesis study aims to explore the development process of creating such teams. The idea is to develop a series of logos from community created minor league baseball teams. These team names are developed by using a series of requirements like location followed by a mascot which can come from the name of animals, profession, nature, local landmarks, people, food, pronouns, or things in your garage. This servery will help you develop your own team. Only 6 teams will be selected so make it interesting. Bonus Points for team names that relate to the location (ex. New Orleans Baby Cakes) LINK FOR SURVEY: https://forms.gle/AdCVLTB9uEgn2bQw9
  19. Hello everyone!... Well, I've been on the boards here for a whole decade now! Time flies when you're having fun, and I've very much enjoyed my time here. I thought that I'd do a compilation piece for a number of reasons... - Everyone's doing "decade" lists... - I missed out on Chris Creamer's Best lists yet again... - and, good ol' photobucket has wiped out most of my past threads So, here's 10 years of logos that have appeared on these Concept pages, all in one handy-dandy graphic. (I cheated a bit here...I had to borrow several "Hockey Cods" to get the number up to 100..but, close enough.) Here's to looking back over the past decade, and looking forward to the next. Enjoy!!...and thanks for dropping by...
  20. Has this topic been discussed before regarding not quite accurate parts of sports logos/uniforms/stadiums in movies or tv shows? In the 1988 film “Naked Gun”, there’s a memorable funny scene where the main character, Lt. Frank Drebin (Leslie Nielsen) disguises himself as an umpire during a game between the Angels and the Mariners. While the Mariners uniforms were accurate, the Angels were wearing red helmets instead of navy ones like they did in real life. The movie did get the navy caps (and the rest of the uniforms) correct however. https://briansgifs.tumblr.com/post/74542897964/the-way-baseball-should-be-played These are stadium-related inaccurate scenes rather than logo-related: - The Angels/Mariners games in the aforementioned Naked Gun movie is filmed in Dodger Stadium rather than the Angels’ home park (Angel Stadium in Anaheim) - In Major League (1989), the movie was filmed at County Stadium in Milwaukee rather than Cleveland’s Municipal Stadium. The 1994 sequel is filmed at Baltimore’s Camden Yards. The uniforms in both films are accurate based on the 1988 and 1993 seasons respectively. However, In Major League 2's movie cover, actor Corbin Bernsen is wearing a red undershirt with his uniform instead of navy as seen with Charlie Sheen. The Indians always wore navy socks/undershirts with those uniforms and never wore red in real life. - In one scene in Rookie of the Year (1993), the Cubs are on a road trip playing the Dodgers. The teams are clearly playing at New Comiskey Park (the White Sox ballpark) rather than Dodger Stadium. However, the uniforms throughout the movie are accurate (based on the 1992 season) - In Angels in the Outfield (1994), the movie was filmed at Oakland Coliseum (The A's ballpark, pre-Mount Davis) rather than Angel Stadium in Anaheim. The uniforms throughout the movie are accurate (based on the 1993 season) Here are some basketball ones: There were made-for-TV movies about Michael Jordan (MJ: an American Hero in 1999) and Dennis Rodman (Bad as I Wanna Be in 1998) in the late 1990s. Due to not getting rights to use NBA licenses (logos, uniforms, etc), the actors had to wear generic-looking uniforms in both films. The Jordan movie is on YouTube. Go to 1:13:16 to see the Bulls uniforms in the movie. However, the Rodman movie is not. Here's the ABC promo (plus a small clip of the Spurs "logo" at 0:08) Anyone else know any other sports logo/stadium inaccuracies in TV Shows or Movies? Baseball, Basketball, Football, Hockey, Soccer, etc.
  21. Hey everyone! I've been getting more into the graphic design area of sports and rather than drawing all my logos/uniforms I took a shot at putting one in photoshop. Here is what turned out. I am just looking for feedback and suggestions and might start a fantasy league in the future.
  22. I'm not exactly sure what to call this as it's a bit different from the Unused Logos/Jersey thread. This is forgotten history about team name changes, logo rumors and relocation that never -- that kind of stuff. I bring this up for a couple of reasons and I'll illustrate my point to hopefully set the tone of the thread. I was researching the late '80s NBA expansion of Miami, Orlando, Minnesota and Charlotte and found a few interesting nuggets in this article. I knew about the Charlotte Spirit nickname as it wasn't well received, the I found the Florida Heat nickname bit interesting and pretty much forgotten without having to dig pretty far back into news archives to find the reference. Additionally there was The Athletic article yesterday about the Dallas Mavericks aborted rebranding in the late 90s before Mark Cuban bought the team and branded them with their current look. I also found a few mentions in other articles of the possibilities of the Spurs moving to Miami to accommodate both Expansion bids in Florida, since the NBA was originally set to expand only by three instead of four teams. Anyways, I'd love to discover more lost history in other sport leagues since basketball is what I know best. What do you have?
  23. I guess we're starting to look forward to the 2018-19 season with the recent news of the Charlotte Hornets wearing the white version of their classic throwbacks next year. Just on a side note, it'll be interesting to see if the Hornets follow that up in 2019-20 with their purple throwback jerseys? Obviously that's just speculation. As far as other changes at this point, I am not sure if we've heard anything else. I would assume more teams will wear classic throwbacks and we'll see a new wave of community jerseys since apparently those will be a yearly change for some if not all teams?
  24. Since I don't think anyone has started a topic relating to this, I was wondering what you think the best and worst logo recolorings are (only minor changes are okay). Most end up being upgrades, but some are actually downgrades in my opinion. Note these are not full redesigns, just changing of colors of a present logo. Best to (Got rid of that horribly dated Vegas Gold) to (Returned the Lions back to their nice classic colors) to (That old Pistons color scheme was just awful. Going back to the old colors was necessary) to (Another product of the 90s removed, replacing the colors with the classic team colors) to (God who thought that gold and red combo was a good idea to begin with. Changed colors much more unique and poppy) Worst to (Yeah the yellow was improved from the 90s logo, but really returning to those weird colors?) to (That grey facemask just looks so much worse than the white one in my opinion) to (The colors went from actually from the jerseys/scheme to not representative of the team colors AT ALL) to (The red just pops so much more than that ugly maroon color) to (I know there's a time jump, but the old colors just pop so much more than the dull new colors) There are definitely more out there. Want to hear your opinions!
  25. As in this period so many people seems to be taken into the Star Wars madness I've decided to change the subject of my fantasy league from Star Wars to The Lord of the Rings/ The Hobbit world. My Galactic Football League will have to wait a bit more. Why did I choose hockey for my Middle-earth fantasy league? I thought that hockey was the most fitting sport for J.R.R. Tolkien fictional continent as most of his stories take place in dark and cold times full of battles and wars. To me hockey is one of those sports which represents best an ancient battle fight. For these reasons I'm glad to present you the Middle-earth Hockey League (MEHL in short)! Little geographical lesson My hockey league teams will all be based on the geography you can see on maps in Tolkien's most famous books, LOTR and The Hobbit, which are setted in the Third Age of Arda (just because Middle-earth has not been the same shape ever). The whole world which is called Ea or Arda has many different continents but all my teams will be in the Middle-earth continent (also known as Endor, well, not that Endor). League Teams Rohan Riders Helm's Deep Defenders Minas Tirith Monarchs Minas Morgul Nazguls Osgiliath Legion Bree Brewers Rivendell Lords Mirkwood Hunters Moria Forgers Isengard Wild Erebor Mountain Kings Shire Halflings Misty Mountains Avalanche Mordor Black Army Anduin Argonath Ithilien Bowmen Dale Blazers Iron Hills Ironfeet League Map (the image is quite big, I suggest to have a look on full size mode) The league will not have conferences in it and every team will be playing two season games against each other team, one home and one away. There will not be playoffs, the team with the most victories gets the league trophy. In case of an even number of victories of two or more teams the number of draws or losses will be analysed. Hope you enjoy this thread!
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