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I assume the reason why the California teams were granted a 68-game regular season and a PPG-based playoff format was because the other teams in the AHL didn't want to play in California just as much as the California teams didn't want to play outside of California.

Otherwise, why would the AHL have given the California teams everything they asked for?

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4 hours ago, @axpze said:

I assume the reason why the California teams were granted a 68-game regular season and a PPG-based playoff format was because the other teams in the AHL didn't want to play in California just as much as the California teams didn't want to play outside of California.

Otherwise, why would the AHL have given the California teams everything they asked for?

 

Because the AHL historically never says no to NHL demands, no matter how ridiculous.

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This is exactly why it happened. The Special Snowflakes told the AHL, "Give us a shorter schedule, or we'll go make our own league! With blackjack! And hookers!" and the league rolled over for them.

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Anyone remember when the "Russian Penguins" and the "Soviet Wings" played every team in the IHL for a season? That's common practice in the Slovak elite league and the "Russian AHL" (the "VHL") in which the national junior teams play every other team and the points count in the standings.

In the VHL, teams play 48 games per regular season in arenas that hold between 1,500 and 6,000, from Eastern Siberia to Kazakhstan all amid the up-and-down Russian petro-ruble.

Next season a team from Beijing will join the KHL.

It is asking a lot to create a minor league to keep the same geographical format as the major league. Not even Major League Baseball is able to create a single AAA league (the International League is made up of Eastern teams and the Pacific Coast League is made up of Western teams).

Is the only hindrance to creating a single league geography? Travel costs? Bus trips? How long can a bus trip be relative to the salary of an average player on the team? Maybe airfare is cheaper when traveling from cities within Russia...then again, how will Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk afford flights to play divisional opponent Team Beijing?

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4 hours ago, Sodboy13 said:

This is exactly why it happened. The Special Snowflakes told the AHL, "Give us a shorter schedule, or we'll go make our own league! With blackjack! And hookers!" and the league rolled over for them.

What are you, some sort of dime store Adam Corolla? What's the deal, man!?

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11 hours ago, @axpze said:

Anyone remember when the "Russian Penguins" and the "Soviet Wings" played every team in the IHL for a season? That's common practice in the Slovak elite league and the "Russian AHL" (the "VHL") in which the national junior teams play every other team and the points count in the standings.

In the VHL, teams play 48 games per regular season in arenas that hold between 1,500 and 6,000, from Eastern Siberia to Kazakhstan all amid the up-and-down Russian petro-ruble.

Next season a team from Beijing will join the KHL.

It is asking a lot to create a minor league to keep the same geographical format as the major league. Not even Major League Baseball is able to create a single AAA league (the International League is made up of Eastern teams and the Pacific Coast League is made up of Western teams).

Is the only hindrance to creating a single league geography? Travel costs? Bus trips? How long can a bus trip be relative to the salary of an average player on the team? Maybe airfare is cheaper when traveling from cities within Russia...then again, how will Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk afford flights to play divisional opponent Team Beijing?

1. And? It was an interesting idea at the time but it's also a totally separate and different situation to what's being discussed.

2. You do realize Kazakhstan is below the eastern/central part of Russia, right? So from the east to the east? Good job.
3. No one is saying the minor league has to be the exact same geographic footprint as the major league. Farm teams don't even have to play in the same league as each other. Just off the top of my head: Medvescak has farm hands in the EBEL (and has some of the duel-nationals play for the club's second team in the Croatian league), Dinamo Riga in the Latvian League, Dinamo Minsk in the Belarusian league. There's actually a Russian team in Asia League Ice Hockey already. Beijing doesn't need a VHL team, they could just invest in China Dragon and create a new ALIH team.

4. In short? No. Because the league already exists, they don't need to create the league. Being less obtuse, yes. That's why the SPHL isn't national. Hell, it's why the ECHL hardly sees teams like Florida and Alaska square off.

5. How the hell did we get from the moronic nature of the AHL California league of pampered princesses to the VHL?

 

What are you, some sort of dime store Adam Corolla? What's the deal, man!?

It's not his fault you didn't get the reference. Let me educate you:

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, @axpze said:

Anyone remember when the "Russian Penguins" and the "Soviet Wings" played every team in the IHL for a season? That's common practice in the Slovak elite league and the "Russian AHL" (the "VHL") in which the national junior teams play every other team and the points count in the standings.
 

 

So because the 1990s IHL (itself hardly a model of sound league-wide decision making) decided to incorporate a national traveling team that played exhibitions against all league member into the standings, suddenly this justifies the AHL having an entire division operate under different rules?

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Why isn't geographical proximity an issue for NHL and AHL affiliates in the ECHL?

The Missouri Mavs are affiliated with Bridgeport (Connecticut) in the AHL and the New York Islanders in the NHL.

Were the Mavs chosen as the Islanders' ECHL affiliate purely because they share the same color scheme?

Link to ECHL/NHL/AHL affiliation table

Wichita, Alaska, and Colorado are the only ECHL teams without NHL-AHL affiliations (all other ECHL teams have both NHL and AHL affiliations–have "one-to-one" affiliation agreements).


ECHL - AHL - NHL (geographically disparate affiliates in bold)
Salt Lake City - San Diego - Anaheim
Atlanta - Providence - Boston
Independence, MO - Bridgeport - Brooklyn
Elmira - Rochester - Buffalo

Glens Falls - Stockton - Calgary
Indianapolis - Rockford - Chicago

Kalamazoo - Cleveland - Columbus

Boise - Austin - Dallas

Fort Wayne - San Antonio - Denver
Toledo - Grand Rapids - Detroit

Norfolk - Bakersfield - Edmonton

Rapid City - Springfield, MA - Glendale
Manchester - Ontario, CA - Los Angeles
Brampton - St. John's - Montreal 

Cincinnati - Milwaukee - Nashville

Greenville, SC - Hartford - Manhattan
NONE - Albany - Newark, NJ
Evansville - Binghamton - Ottawa

Reading - Allentown - Philadelphia

Wheeling - Wilkes-Barre - Pittsburgh

Estero, FL - Charlotte - Raleigh
Allen, TX - San Jose - San Jose

NONE - Rosemont, IL - St. Louis
Moline, IL - Des Moines - St. Paul

NONE - Syracuse - St. Petersburg, FL

NONE - Portland, ME - Sunrise, FL

Orlando - Toronto - Toronto
NONE - Utica - Vancouver
Charleston, SC - Hershey - Washington, DC
Tulsa - Winnipeg - Winnipeg
Anchorage - NONE - NONE

Loveland, CO - NONE - NONE

Wichita - NONE - NONE

 

Just eye-balling the geographical proximity between affiliations I notice that there could definitely be a re-arranging (why isn't Allen–and not Boise–the ECHL affiliate of the Texas/Dallas Stars?)

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22 minutes ago, @axpze said:

Why isn't geographical proximity an issue for NHL and AHL affiliates in the ECHL?

The Missouri Mavs are affiliated with Bridgeport (Connecticut) in the AHL and the New York Islanders in the NHL.

Were the Mavs chosen as the Islanders' ECHL affiliate purely because they share the same color scheme?

Link to ECHL/NHL/AHL affiliation table

 

Because the ECHL still is only a kind of/sort of developmental league.  It depends on the individual organization.

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AHL-ECHL call-ups/-downs must be less frequent than NHL-AHL call-ups/-downs. Otherwise, the California AHL teams would still be in the ECHL...

Also explains why ECHL affiliations are so far from their AHL and NHL affiliates

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Teams want their AHL affiliates close to facilitate game day call-ups, and so that the NHL coaches can keep half an eye on their prospects. The guys in the ECHL are, pretty much by definition, not even good enough for the 3rd and 4th lines of the AHL. Aside from possibly a goalie that gets sent down to get more playing time, ECHL guys are not going to be of immediate interest to the NHL. They can certainly work their way up, but you could probably count on one hand (if it's ever happened) the number of call-ups directly from the ECHL to the NHL.

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It's NHL first. They're willing to deal with the delay in a guy getting from the Coast to the A. Also keep in mind that teams aren't required to call up from their ECHL team. Tampacuse just signed a goalie who is (and still is) playing for Norfolk.

 

If Stockton is playing at Toronto and finds themselves in need of a forward, it's entirely possible they could sign a guy from Brampton (Montreal/St. John's) if they liked him enough.

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The Milwaukee Admirals will move across the street to whatever we're calling the MECCA this week. The new Bucks arena is getting all this money while money is taken away from the University of Wisconsin (but don't say it's being diverted from the university to the Bucks or Scooter's shock troops will come yell at you) and it won't even have a freaking ice plant.

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The Missouri Mavericks (ECHL, New York Islanders) are on track to have the best regular season record in the 28-year history of the ECHL. If Missouri win 19 more points in their remaining 13 games, they will break the record.

Season (Games Played); Team; Points; (Points/GP)*72:
1. 2015-16 (60*); Missouri Mavericks; 99; 118.8
2. 2001-02 (72); Louisiana IceGators; 116; 116.0

3. 2007-08 (72); Cincinnati Cyclones; 115; 115.0
4. 2007-08 (72); Texas Wildcatters; 115; 115.0
5. 2005-06 (72); Alaska Aces; 113; 113.0

6. 2005-06 (72); Las Vegas Wranglers; 112; 112.0

7. 1999-00 (70); Florida Everblades; 108; 111.1

8. 1990-91 (64); Knoxville Cherokees; 97; 109.1

9. 1998-99 (70); Pee Dee Pride; 106; 109.0

10. 1995-96 (70); Richmond Renegades; 105; 108.0
...

613. 1992-93 (64); Roanoke Valley Rampage; 29; 32.6
 

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