derschwigg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's the eye for me. The horn enclosure didn't bother me because there's another horn on the other side of its head that would likely fill that space in shadow.Rotate the eye 10-20 degrees to the right, shrink it by 15-25%, and nudge it down.Right now, the eye itself is in the spot that the brow itself should be.Eye area is smaller and has been rotated 10ª. I thought it fit the contour of the face and brow. I was a little confused by your comment about the brow. I have already depicted the horn base (which I would call the brow). I made the horn gray in this version to show it a bit more clearly. The eye is right below the brow/horn base on real rams; I think I actually lowered it a bit on the previous logo so that it wasn't anatomically correct. I did move the eye away from the brow a bit in this version.What do you think of this eye?The eye rotation and placement is better now - personally, I think it could still be shrunken down a little bit, but that's just me.It's been really cool seeing your progression and how, generally speaking, you've improved with each rendition. Thanks for sharing, and more importantly, being open to constructive criticism. My Portfolio | My Store | My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB83 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The part that looks off to me is the whole v shape of the back neck area. It would look better as a single slope in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's the eye for me. The horn enclosure didn't bother me because there's another horn on the other side of its head that would likely fill that space in shadow.Rotate the eye 10-20 degrees to the right, shrink it by 15-25%, and nudge it down.Right now, the eye itself is in the spot that the brow itself should be.It's been really cool seeing your progression and how, generally speaking, you've improved with each rendition. Thanks for sharing, and more importantly, being open to constructive criticism.Goodness, without creative criticism I'd be in serious trouble. Thank you, community, for supplying it.I think the logo is about where I want it, but I'll let it sit for a bit and see if I change my mind. Right now I am working on my alternate logo.This is what I had:I was given some more reference pics and advice (thanks, Ren) and decided to rework the head shape and the nose.I had the ears behind the horns despite it being anatomically impossible because I didn't want to put much emphasis with them, but I tried a version with them in front of the horn as they should be:My concern with this is when the logo will be in only two colors:I also tried a version in which I made the eyes and mouth more similar to the side-profile logo:The eyes just aren't working too well, in my opinion. Do you have any suggestions on what to do? I can't decide if I like the mouth. What is working above? What isn't? One other question: The horn details seem to bleed right into the blue outline at the top of the head; is this an issue I should fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eick74 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 In the side profile, it looks the ram has flattened it's ears like cats and some dogs do. It might help if the front version of the ram has it's ears flattened similiarily. I tried looking for pictures for a reference and did see some where the ears were behind the horns, and when they are headbutting, it does look like they flatten their ears as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugevolsfan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would just make them a little smaller & fit them in the blue space between the head & horn... You could probably just leave the white outline off & put just a white mark in the blue which will imply the ear but without the definition if you get what I am saying... My Fictional Football League Version 3 My Fictional Football Leagues WebsiteMy Church Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrylawless3 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The whole nose/unibrow isn't sitting well with me. Not sure how to fix it with the style you're going for. I feel like there should be space between the ode and the beginning of the horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Well, I am back with something else. The school would like a full-body ram as well, and I wanted to incorporate the head from the main logo into it for some consistency. Here is what I have so far:I also tried a version with a thicker outline:What do you think? The legs and especially the hooves have been giving me the most trouble. Should I rework them? Also, is the white butt too much? It is anatomically correct, but it might be too much of a distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YelichGraphics Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 yes the white is too much, and honestly just point the hooves a little more. kind of like the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECUFan25 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 maybe try something like this for full body ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVIXX Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Go with the thicker outline, agree with llfhockey about the hoovesNone of the looks of the front facing logo just doesn't look right to me, i just don't know what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Here is the update. The white butt is gone. The hooves lost their curviness, and I added some navy outlines in places to keep legs from bleeding into one another on two-color applications.One question I am having is whether the back hooves are too narrow. Let me know. Also let me know if you have any other suggestions for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 The school year is quickly approaching, and I want to have the new logos finalized by then. I wanted a logo that included the school's name (and some green), so I tried a roundel. I would like to know what you think about the roundel logo. I had to make the words off-center with this size roundel. Is it too distracting to have it off-center like that? If you have any comments on the older logos, please include those as well. I am not sure that I like how the ears and horns meet in the secondary logo, but I don't know how to improve them. Also, do you prefer gray horns or white horns? Even if I go with gray horns officially, they will be printed in white quite frequently because it would be cheaper to print t-shirts, etc. with one fewer color (this is also why I didn't want any shading, etc. on the logos), but what should the official logos use?In short, I think I am quite close here, but are there any tweaks I should make? And what color should the horns be? I should probably mention that the school colors are officially navy, white, kelly green, and gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVIXX Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 the outline weight dosn't seem the same on all the logos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13DolphinsFan91 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 For the secondary white it just looks weird so I would just settle on grayAlso, this was an awesome time lapse of your progression for the logo. Definitely better than the original 'ram' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_grateful_ted Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Grey looks much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I have shown these logos to some people at school, and some people think the main logo looks like it is bowing instead of charging. I played around with rotating the logo to potentially address this. Here is the original logo:This next one is rotated just 5º:These are very subtle and there isn't much difference, but does the lower neck improve the look of the logo?I also tried a version that is rotated fairly extremely. This one has actually gotten quite a bit of positive feedback, but I'd really love to get some comments on what you think of it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugevolsfan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 yep the last one for sure this is how I wanted you to go with it initially but I think that one looks great My Fictional Football League Version 3 My Fictional Football Leagues WebsiteMy Church Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmiller5 Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks for the feedback, Volsfan.I hate to bump for bump's sake, but I would really like some more feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ren69 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Definitely the 3rd one. Only thing I see when it's in that position is that it makes me want to see the horn a bit larger & with more of a curled tip. https://www.behance.net/Ren1969 https://twitter.com/Ren1969_Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEWJ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Definitely the 3rd one. Only thing I see when it's in that position is that it makes me want to see the horn a bit larger & with more of a curled tip.I agree. Third one looks great.To add on to what ren said, take a look at this ram on the left (similar head positioning), the horns are larger in relation to the head, and the horn has a "wider" curve, that way the odd "blank space" between the head and the horn could look a bit more natural (in your logo).Either way, it looks good.Edit: It might be helpful to look at where the horn curves in relation to the shoulder/neck.Edit 2: The front facing ram is almost there, but could use some work. The white running up the face looks odd, and the base of the horns could be moved up further so that they're atop the head (i will say that the curvature and perspective of the horns is perfect though). Here's a pic: https://chrismartinphotography.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/jasper-ram-c2a9-christopher-martin-5702.jpg | BROWNS | BUCKEYES | CAVALIERS | INDIANS | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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