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Also, I'm really hating the term "New Year's Six". We need something better than that.

I heard ESPN promoting one of them as some team's return to "an elite bowl." Good enough for me.

Fake edit: Does anyone have a source for what percentage of kickoff returns are negated by penalties? It seems insanely and disproportionately high, but that could just be my perception.

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I don't have any hatred towards Penn State, and I understand that these kids had nothing to do with the whole Sandusky thing, but it still makes me feel a bit uncomfortable to see Penn State win a bowl game. Something about it just kind of feels wrong.

Many people feel the same way, seeing those uniforms is a reminder of the scandal, and the downfall of a once-legendary coach.

I'm no Penn State apologist, but I enjoyed seeing them get the win. The era of Paterno and Sandusky was over when Bill O'Brien took over. And now the Bill O'Brien era is over with the hiring of James Franklin.

That was TWO regimes ago, people. Time to move on. No need to keep penalizing the current players for sins of coaching predecessors that they have zero relation to, save the same institution name on their diploma.

I am not as hard core on Penn State punishment as I used to be. But I grew a bit tired of it being about "the players". Yeah, none of it was their fault. But that's not what it was about. It was about an institution that had become so blinded by gridiron success that it formed a culture that allowed this to happen. Not just JoPa but just about everyone. So they cleaned house. Hired O'Brien, then Franklin...people that obviously had nothing to do with anything. But did the perspective change? There is a part of me that thinks any (even if it was my own) institution of higher learning should say "we've lost perspective here. We are going to shut down our football program indefinitely."

And I don't like seeing the Joepoligists get to celebrate success already. But it still bugs me when people talk about the players...let's not call them the victims here. And I suppose I was being over-dramatic when I thought that the school needed a good decade of no football or mediocre football in order to have a meaningful culture change and get some freaking perspective. (and I know most schools need some perspective, anyway but I hope most would not have allowed this to happen). But it continues to bug me, looking back, that what seemed most important to sports media/fans was that Penn State get back to football prominence, pronto. It's times like that when I cannot defend my love of college sports.

Can I be happy for these players but still unhappy that PSU is back on the road to football relevancy? I guess I can.

This is basically how I feel about it. Good for the players I guess, but the way it's seen by some as this big redemption story for Penn State just feels kinda wrong. I mean, they didn't lose players in a plane crash like Marshall or anything, they perpetuated the sins of a child rapist for more than a decade in order to keep that sweet sweet football money coming in with no disruption. And I pretty much expected them to return to relevance soon enough, but the way the NCAA basically just said, "Ehh, people are over it now, here's a lift on that totally weak ass suspension we gave you. Hope you enjoy that New Era cash flow!" Just rubbed me the wrong way. It just feels like a really good representation of how screwed up priorities are in many sectors of our culture.

I loved Penn State football and was a big Joe Peterno fan before all of this. I just can't bring myself to root for them any more after all of that.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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Also, I'm really hating the term "New Year's Six". We need something better than that.

I heard ESPN promoting one of them as some team's return to "an elite bowl." Good enough for me.

Fake edit: Does anyone have a source for what percentage of kickoff returns are negated by penalties? It seems insanely and disproportionately high, but that could just be my perception.

Can't call them BCS Bowls anymore. Elite Bowl(s) sounds a bit generic for my taste. I like what they're attempting to do with New Year's Six, but it's clunky. The notion of New Year's bowls being meaningful has largely been lost in college football the last few decades. It always irked me a bit that bowls like the GoDaddy Bowl can somehow get billing to be played AFTER the Orange/Rose/Fiesta/Sugar, despite the fact that they pit the 14th-best MAC team against the team tied for 93rd in the SunBelt.

Yes, those teams deserve their bowl, but forgive me if watching a game between Toledo-WKU feels just a WEE bit anti-climatic after watching a slew of games along the lines of Stanford-LSU, Wisconsin-Texas or Florida State-Michigan.

In my perfect world, you'd have your "elite bowls" (or whatever we're calling them) as the New Year's Day games and the only game after would be the championship. It would help to return that January 1st calendar date as a badge of honor.

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I don't have any hatred towards Penn State, and I understand that these kids had nothing to do with the whole Sandusky thing, but it still makes me feel a bit uncomfortable to see Penn State win a bowl game. Something about it just kind of feels wrong.

Many people feel the same way, seeing those uniforms is a reminder of the scandal, and the downfall of a once-legendary coach.

I'm no Penn State apologist, but I enjoyed seeing them get the win. The era of Paterno and Sandusky was over when Bill O'Brien took over. And now the Bill O'Brien era is over with the hiring of James Franklin.

That was TWO regimes ago, people. Time to move on. No need to keep penalizing the current players for sins of coaching predecessors that they have zero relation to, save the same institution name on their diploma.

I am not as hard core on Penn State punishment as I used to be. But I grew a bit tired of it being about "the players". Yeah, none of it was their fault. But that's not what it was about. It was about an institution that had become so blinded by gridiron success that it formed a culture that allowed this to happen. Not just JoPa but just about everyone. So they cleaned house. Hired O'Brien, then Franklin...people that obviously had nothing to do with anything. But did the perspective change? There is a part of me that thinks any (even if it was my own) institution of higher learning should say "we've lost perspective here. We are going to shut down our football program indefinitely."

And I don't like seeing the Joepoligists get to celebrate success already. But it still bugs me when people talk about the players...let's not call them the victims here. And I suppose I was being over-dramatic when I thought that the school needed a good decade of no football or mediocre football in order to have a meaningful culture change and get some freaking perspective. (and I know most schools need some perspective, anyway but I hope most would not have allowed this to happen). But it continues to bug me, looking back, that what seemed most important to sports media/fans was that Penn State get back to football prominence, pronto. It's times like that when I cannot defend my love of college sports.

Can I be happy for these players but still unhappy that PSU is back on the road to football relevancy? I guess I can.

This is basically how I feel about it. Good for the players I guess, but the way it's seen by some as this big redemption story for Penn State just feels kinda wrong. I mean, they didn't lose players in a plane crash like Marshall or anything, they perpetuated the sins of a child rapist for more than a decade in order to keep that sweet sweet football money coming in with no disruption. And I pretty much expected them to return to relevance soon enough, but the way the NCAA basically just said, "Ehh, people are over it now, here's a lift on that totally weak ass suspension we gave you. Hope you enjoy that New Era cash flow!" Just rubbed me the wrong way. It just feels like a really good representation of how screwed up priorities are in many sectors of our culture.

I loved Penn State football and was a big Joe Peterno fan before all of this. I just can't bring myself to root for them any more after all of that.

The fact that the NCAA retracted the suspensions proves two things. One, Penn State has made changes and two, the NCAA over stepped in this matter. Even though I think the NCAA was a little in deep on this, as this was an issue they could not have dreamed of dealing with. I think the NCAA was a victim in the current climate of social media justice and said, "well, here are some sanctions and we"ll vacate over 400 of Joe Pa's victories, even though the NCAA isn't going after Joe Pa officially and it had nothing to do with winning games, and we'll fine you an ungodly amount of money, to be redistributed to places other than in Pennsylvania, to appease the armchair qb media so that we can look like we did something."

The NCAA probably took a step back and looked at the situation again and actually READ the whole court transcript and said....whoops...and when Penn State took the sanctions to heart there was no other course of action than to lift the barriers they installed.

Also, I believe there is a trial coming up that will exonerate Joe Pa, so expect to see the 400 + wins to be put back in the record books...I'm just letting you know so that it won't be such a shock to your system.

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They only vacated 111 wins. And I'd be totally surprised if the upcoming trial totally exonerated JoePa, because, well, he turned a blind eye to child rape.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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The biggest problem with the Penn State mess was that it became a sort of "he said, she said." Well not really "said," but more like "he knew, she knew."

They haven't ever really been able to conclusively prove exactly how many people knew or didn't know about Sandusky, and for those that did know, exactly how much they did know about. With JoePa, for example, it's a little easier to isolate the high profile people (same for their Athletic Director, Chancellor, etc), but there's really no way to prove that the Assistant Women's Softball coach didn't catch wind of this thing, etc.

Organizations are living things with rumor mills. Hard to trace things unless there are emails.

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I know Solomon is young, and he made some good plays, but boy did he make some COSTLY mistakes. Rich Rod 'bout had a heart attack. I know I would have. But, I think that Solomon has great potential, and it'll be fun to see him improve each year at Arizona.

I've watched him pretty closely this year and I honestly don't get the hype. He absolutely killed the Wildcats today. He missed so many passes to guys who were absolutely WIDE OPEN. It was the difference between them winning this thing going away, and losing.

And that Arizona defense. Woof.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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Well, it certainly hasn't been a day to remember so far for college football teams from Mississippi.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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Oh absolutely. I still can't believe they called that one dead. The whistle was blown WAY after the ball came out.

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Didn't help their cause that they had to prepare for an offense like GT's without their defensive coordinator, who took a job at Florida.

No it didn't help, but I don't think the outcome would've been much different. The defense looked horrible against Ole Miss when he was still there.

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