RoughRiders99 Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 After seeing Raysoxs thread with the OOTP simulation running his historical baseball league, I decided to buy the game and check it out myself. I created my own fantasy league using the actual teams that my friends came up with. I ran the simulation for around 10 years and I loved what I was seeing. So basically, this is a similar concept to Raysox, but with a twist...! Instead of a historical league, Ive decided to make a FUTURE league!And now begin the early days of Solar Baseball League! I decided to bring up an old thread or two of mine and see what I can do with these ideas in OOTP. Unfortunately, I dont have the logo files saved on my computer anymore, but I dont mind remaking these logos and post them eventually. For now, the OOTP simulation will do just for now. Solar League BaseballHistorical Timeline 2065 2089For several years, the reinstated NASA program has been developing a faster way to travel through final frontier of space. One of their first missions was to build a space shuttle that would take only eight hours to travel to the moon from Earth. Once they finally reached the moon in 2074, they immediately started constructing a small colony filled with science labs, mining facilities, living quarters, an open park-like area with water filling one of the craters forming a lake, and a launching pad for further space exploration missions. The colony has been Lake Armstrong. In 2087, with the developing technology the scientists have been forming on in Lake Armstrong, they have launched a new space shuttle to reach Mars in only one week, instead of seven months just a century ago. 2090In 2090, a small team of astronauts and scientists from Earth brought their baseball equipment to challenge a little group of athletes from Lake Armstrong in a friendly pickup game of baseball. The game became so popular that the citizens, mostly the athletes families, partners and friends, of the Moon and Earth would pay to go and watch the unofficial pickup games. 2100In 2100, both Earth and the Moon invited a team from Mars to participate in their weekend, round-robin MoonFest tournament during the Moons yearly festival during the weekend of July 21st. The top two teams will play an extra game for the title. The team wore simple NASA-issued colored t-shirts. Earth in blue, Luna in black, Mars in red. The concept is somewhat similar to a simple beer league.With the addition of Mars to the tournament, it became so popular that professional umpires joined the festival and placing the renamed tournament MoonFest Baseball in the newly constructed Lunar Dome. All games will be held here. The Lunar Dome is on the outskirts of Lake Armstrong. The Lunar Dome is a multi-purpose stadium that can hold a baseball field, football field, and all kinds of various events. The dome itself is full of glass, so the athletes and spectators are treated to a speculator view of the stars, the barren wasteland of the untouched region of moon, and of course, the blue marble floating in the moon sky. 2100Luna, 2-0Earth, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Luna 2101Mars, 2-0Earth, 1-1Luna, 0-2 Champions: Earth 2102Luna, 2-0Earth, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Luna 2103Luna, 2-0Earth, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Earth 2104Mars, 2-0Luna, 1-1Earth, 0-2 Champions: Luna 2105Mars, 2-0Luna, 1-1Earth, 0-2 Champions: Luna 2106Earth, 2-0Mars, 1-1Luna, 0-2 Champions: Mars 2107Luna, 2-0Earth, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Earth 2108Earth, 2-0Mars, 1-1Luna, 0-2 Champions: Earth 2109Earth, 2-0Mars, 1-1Luna, 0-2 Champions: Mars 2110Mars, 2-0Earth, 1-1Luna, 0-2 Champions: Mars 2111Earth, 2-0Luna, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Earth 2112Earth, 2-0Luna, 1-1Mars, 0-2 Champions: Luna Brief HistoryEarth, 5 titlesLuna, 5 titlesMars, 3 titles Ive written up this league all the way to 2140, where youll see a constant growing of the league and see it form into a legit baseball league. I plan on adding a minor/feeder league and maybe a winter league here or there (I may need help figuring out how to do that in OOTP). If theres enough interest in this project, then Ill keep posting more! Hope you guys enjoy it! P.S. You may see some Star Trek inspirations in here!
Roadrunner8ball Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 So cool!!! It's great how you made it in the future. This will be a fun one to follow.
FALCON6 Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 This is sweet. Future baseball. Terrific, can't wait for the logos and you already have a good league logo. Great idea.
RoughRiders99 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Posted November 27, 2014 I'll make another post later tonight. And, have a happy thanksgiving, everybody.
Veras Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Brilliant! I can't wait to see where this goes. History of a Fictional Football League (1989) Thread - Logos - Uniforms - History
RoughRiders99 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 2113Thirteen years later, with the continuing expansion of space colonies, MoonFest Baseball invited a team from Venus to join the tournament. MoonFest Baseball is now a weeklong event, with the teams playing a double-round robin schedule. The top two teams will face each other for the title. Again, the teams wore their team-issued shirts from NASA. Earth wore blue shirts, Luna in the black shirts, Mars with red shirts, and Venus dons orange shirts. Earth, 2-0*Luna, 2-1*Mars, 1-2Venus, 0-2 * - Luna defeated Mars in tiebreakerChampions: Earth 2114 The MoonFest League is now one-week long. Four teams will play in a double round-robin schedule. Tie breaking games if necessary. Mars, 5-1*Earth, 4-3*Luna, 3-4Venus, 1-5 * - Earth defeated Luna in tiebreakerChampions: Earth 2115 Earth, 5-1*Luna, 4-3*Venus, 3-4Mars, 1-5 * - Luna defeated Venus in tiebreakerChampions: Earth 2116 Luna, 4-2Mars, 3-3Earth, 2-4Venus, 2-4 Champions: Luna 2117 Earth, 6-0Luna, 4-2Mars, 1-5Venus, 1-5 Champions: Earth 2118 Venus, 5-1*Earth, 4-3*Mars, 3-4Luna, 1-5 * - Earth defeated Mars in tiebreakerChampions: Venus 2119 Earth, 4-2Luna, 4-2Mars, 2-4Venus, 2-4 Champions: Luna 2120MoonFest Baseball grew in popularity and expanded it from six games to 12 games, where each team faced other teams four times. Venus, 8-4Earth, 7-5Luna, 6-6Mars, 3-9 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 1. 2121 Luna, 8-4Venus, 7-5Earth, 5-7Mars, 4-8 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 0. 2122 Venus, 9-3Mars, 7-5Luna, 5-7Earth, 3-9 Champions: Mars wins series, 2 to 1. 2123 Venus, 7-5*Luna, 7-6*Earth, 6-7Mars, 5-7 * - Luna defeated Earth in tiebreakerChampions: Venus wins series, 2 to 1. 2124 Venus, 7-5Luan, 7-5Mars, 6-7Earth, 5-7 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 0. 2125 Luna, 9-3Venus, 7-5Mars, 5-7Earth, 3-9 Champions: Luna wins series, 2 to 1. 2126 Venus, 8-4Earth, 7-5Luna, 6-6Mars, 3-9 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 0. 2127 Venus, 8-4Earth, 7-5Luna, 6-6Mars, 3-9 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 0. 2128 Venus, 7-5*Luna, 7-6*Mars, 6-7Earth, 5-7 * - Luna defeated Mars in tiebreakerChampions: Luna wins series, 2 to 0. 2129 Venus, 8-4Luna, 6-6Earth, 5-7Mars, 5-7 Champions: Venus wins series, 2 to 0. 30-Year Historical Standings Earth (2100-29): 96-91, 20 playoffs appearances, 9 titlesLuna (2100-29): 102-88, 19 playoffs appearances, 9 titlesVenus (2113-29): 90-69, 11 playoffs appearances, 8 titlesMars (2100-29): 74-114, 10 playoffs appearances, 4 titles Does anybody know how I can find player stats from the previous several years? The reason why I ask this is because I'm still new to OOTP and I'm exploring it. I can't find how I can see who are the all-time leaders in home runs from like year 2120 to 2129 or something like that. Thanks!! Not sure when the next post will be up. But otherwise, hope you've had a great day with your loved ones and happy holidays to everybody.
LA_Angels Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Earth had a pretty good thing going from 2112-2117, love this series already. Keep up the good work!
RoughRiders99 Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 2130-2139 The logos that you see in the above image are the cap logos of their respective teams. MoonFest Baseball has officially become a real league,as they invited their fifth team from Mercury.Mercury had just joined the Space Program two years agoand now with enough development, they were able to field a team. The league has been renamed Solar Baseball League,where the teams will play a 160-game schedulewith a best four-of-seven championship. All five teams now have a full baseball uniform set along with nicknames.They are the following:Earth Voyagers (5)Luna Apollos (5)Mars Legion (4)Venus Storm (4)Mercury Wings (3) (#) = Rank of the planet's baseball program. 1 to 5, 5 being the highest. The players that are involved in this leagueare mostly playing for their home teams.For example, most of the Earthlings would play for the Voyagers,while the Martians play for the Legion. But the league is still mixed. Solar Series2130 – Voyagers over Wings2131 – Voyagers over Storm2132 – Voyagers over Apollos2133 – Voyagers over Wings2134 – Voyagers over Apollos2135 – Voyagers over Apollos2136 – Apollos over Voyagers2137 – Voyagers over Apollos2138 – Apollos over Voyagers2139 – Apollos over Voyagers Team NotesEarth – Made the Solar Series all 10 seasons and won 7 of themLuna – Won 3 Solar Series titles in seven appearancesVenus – Made to one Solar SeriesMercury – Made two Solar Series, but has overall record of 756-844Mars – Never made a title appearance, has a record of 671-929 Top 5 Players1) Casper Creswell, 3B, EarthIn a 10-year career, he hit .424/.478/.825 with 673 home runsand is 8-time Slugger of the Year. 2) Samuel Essiens, SP, EarthIn a league that averages more than 5.00 ERA,Essiens had an ERA of 1.99 and won The Ace of the Year 8 timesbefore retiring in 2139 at the young age of 31. 3) Chris Rumbolt, SS, EarthA teammate of Crewswell, he hit .371/.448/.657 in a 10-year careerto form a dynamic left side of the field for the Voyagers. 4) Alejandro Rivas, 3B, MarsFor the worst team in the league, Rivas slugged .343/.450/.680 with 528 home runsand finished in the top three of Slugger of the Year voting 5 times. 5) Kevin Burgess, CF, LunaIn just 5 full seasons and 2 half-seasons, Burgess put up the 4th highest WARwith 455 home runs in the LunarDome, a stadium with low gravity. The Earth Voyagers ended up being more powerful than I thought by "editing" some of their players maybe a little too powerful. I wanted Earth to be something similar to the USA playing against the other nations if they actually took it seriously, unlike the WBC. In the last decade, the league ERA was around 5.00 while the batting average was around .280 or so. In the next post, you will see an expansion of the league and hopefully I can improve the pitching a little bit. I'll have to tweak the settings a little bit in OOTP.
FALCON6 Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 These would make terrific cap logos: subtle and completes the look. good team names as well
RoughRiders99 Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 Solar League Baseball 2140 2149 NotesYes, I know the Callisto Bears is the exact same as the Chicago Cubs. But at this point, I'm just more concerned about the simulation than logos. I'm pretty proud of myself with the Kings' logo though! And I'm a Cubs fan, so, yeah. I'm just enjoying the simulation more than making logos at this point. 2140With the growing popularity of Solar League Baseball and the faster space travel technologies already breaking out, the league expanded with five brand new teams, all in the Jupiter planetary system. Jupiter and four of its largest moons, Callisto, Europa, Ganymede and Io received a team each. The Jupiter Kings, Callisto Bears, Europa Avalanche, Ganymede Giants and Io Volcanoes all started play in the 2140 season in their own division within Solar League Baseball, the Jupiter League.For the first several seasons of the 40s, the Jupiter teams struggled mightily, as there were only four winning seasons from that division in the first five seasons. This meant that sometimes a team with a losing record would win the division title and make it to the playoffs.But after several years of growing pains, two teams from the Jupiter Division, the Jupiter Kings and the Callisto Bears, emerged and made several playoffs appearances and won a few titles. The Kings were the first expansion team to win a Solar Series title.Meanwhile, in the original five teams of the Terrain Division, the Earth Voyagers continued their domination winning three Solar Series titles. It wasnt until 2146 where they had their first losing season and missed the playoffs for five straight years.The Venus Storm has overtaken the Earth Voyagers as the powerhouse of SLB, winning four titles, including three straight from 44 to 46. They also made the playoffs nine times out of ten years.The Mars Legion, despite having two 90-win seasons in the 40s, has yet to reach the playoffs in their 20-year history.Solar Series2140 Voyagers over Storm2141 Storm over Wings2142 Voyagers over Apollos2143 Voyagers over Storm2144 Storm over Wings2145 Storm over Bears2146 Storm over Bears2147 Kings over Storm2148 Kings over Wings2149 Kings over StormHall-of-Fame InducteesRHP Samuel Eissens, Earth, inducted in 2144Through the years Eissens has fashioned a 226-34 mark, 1.99 ERA and thrown 2,421.2 innings. Opposing clubs are batting .218 lifetime against him and he has logged 2,555 career strikeouts. 3B Alejandro Rivas, Mars, inducted in 2149Lifetime Rivas has hit .324 with 2,248 hits, 589 home runs, 1,525 RBIs and scored 1,472 runs. Top players (in no particular order)LF Dave Hill, Callisto He won the Slugger of the Year award twice in 46 and 48 and put up 60.3 WAR in seven seasons.CF Kevin Burgess, Luna He is the career leader in home runs with 1,247 while playing in Lunar Dome, which obviously has low gravity. He also won the Slugger of the Year awards five times in the 40s.SP Bill Adams, Callisto He won Ace of the Year six times and is the current all-time leader in WHIP, K/9 and H/9. He also holds the record for the lowest ERA in a single season set in 2146 with an ERA of 1.37.3B Caspar Creswell, Earth One of the greatest players from the 30s finally retired in 2148 and he went out with a bang. He is the all-time leaders in hits with 3538 and is 2nd in home runs with 3538. He had his jersey number, 12, retired by the Voyagers.1B Dan King, Earth The next generation of superstars for the Voyagers is here, and Dan King is the headliner of the group. He was the Rookie of the Year in 2140 and slugged 513 homers in 10 years.10-Year Record of the Expansion TeamsThe next post will probably be up by tomorrow night or Monday, commemorating the 25th season in 2154 and naming the All-Time Silver Team.
Nyk33 Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 You forgot to put the 10 year record of the Callisto Bears. You just put Europa's history twice. Interesting series though.
Magnus Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 I do have a question. With no solid surface on Jupiter itself, where is Jupiter's home stadium? All of the other worlds have solid surfaces (Europa's is probably under its ocean or on the icy surface), but Jupiter is a gas giant, with reportedly no solid surface that humans could walk on, much less build a city or stadium.It's a wonderful concept series, but I'm a little curious as to how you solve the gas giant conundrum.Also, perhaps Titan should get a team? Titan is often mentioned in discussions of terraforming in the Solar System.
mamiller99 Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Why is Jupiter's attendance so small? That's what- She
RoughRiders99 Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 You forgot to put the 10 year record of the Callisto Bears. You just put Europa's history twice. Interesting series though.Ah, thanks for pointing that out! I've updated the post above yours with the Callisto's track record. But to save your time, here it is anyway: I do have a question. With no solid surface on Jupiter itself, where is Jupiter's home stadium? All of the other worlds have solid surfaces (Europa's is probably under its ocean or on the icy surface), but Jupiter is a gas giant, with reportedly no solid surface that humans could walk on, much less build a city or stadium.It's a wonderful concept series, but I'm a little curious as to how you solve the gas giant conundrum.Also, perhaps Titan should get a team? Titan is often mentioned in discussions of terraforming in the Solar System.Thanks for the awesome questions! I've thought about where to put the stadiums and how they would be designed and whatnot. In my head the technology has come far enough that we could terraform a few planets/moons here and there. But as for the gas giants, they would be playing in a "floating dome" on a city that's resting in its skies or just above the atmosphere. Think Cloud City from Star Wars Episode V. All stadiums would have a calibrated gravity to ensure fair play but there would be some obvious differences (i.e. Lunar Dome = Coors Field). I'm still fairly new to OOTP so I'm always tweaking the settings. It's like in the early days of baseball where they would change rules and the aesthetics of the game. And yes, I do plan having this league being expanded, and Titan is on my short list! :-). I'll expand the league by 8 teams between Saturn, Uranus and Neptune (maybe Pluto too) in around 2165. Then two more teams a few years afterwards. P.S. Or some of the stadiums could be in a space station/base that's in orbit of said gas giants. Why is Jupiter's attendance so small?Hmm, weird. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll try and improve it if I can. It's probably because of their stadium. Glad everybody is enjoying this series!!!
RoughRiders99 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 2154 Click image to enlarge Solar League Baseball has announced their Silver Anniversary All-SLB team to celebrate 25 years of professional baseball in space. The players were selected based on WAR while the relief pitchers were chosen by saves. Two players were chosen at each fielding position while there are six outfielders listed. Eight starting pitchers were selected while four relievers round out the pitching staff. Top 2 Players at each position (6 for outfielders) according to career WAR.C – Robert Goodwin, Jupiter KingsC – Maruo Pérez, Earth Voyagers1B – Dan King, Earth Voyagers1B – Pete Campbell, Mercury Wings2B – Eric Hardin, Jupiter Kings2B – José Juárez, Luna Apollos3B – Casper Creswell, Earth Voyagers3B – Alejandro Rivas, Mars LegionSS – Chris Rumbolt, Earth VoyagersSS – Felipe Soto, Venus Storm Left to rightOF – Kevin Burgess, Luna ApollosOF – Dave Hill, Callisto BearsOF – Chris Cleveland, Luna ApollosOF – Auerlo Segura, Venus StormOF – Bill Joyner, Venus StormOF – Walton Hart, Ganymede Giants Top row to bottom row, left to rightSP – Bill Adams, Callisto BearsSP – *Samuel Eissens, Earth VoyagersSP – Nick Foote, Mercury WingsSP – Jon Kelley, Mars LegionSP – Cory Bannatyne, Mercury WingsSP – Alex León, Mars LegionSP – Rob Green, Venus StormSP – Todd Langley, Venus StormRP – Pedro MacÃas, Callisto BearsRP – Rob Franklin, Europa AvalancheRP – António MartÃnez, Ganymede GiantsRP – Alexander Rutgers, Venus Storm The players with the team logos in the background are active, while the white baseball seams represents a retired player. * - I know Eissens' uniform looks a little different but that's because I didn't edit the uniforms/logos until later in the simulation.
RoughRiders99 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 Solar League Baseball 2150 – 2159 Notes In the early part of the 50’s, the Kings won two more titles, giving them five titles in six years before starting their descent. The Callisto Bears and the Io Volcanoes took over the reins and made the Solar Series a combined eight times and winning once each. The Mars Legion finally found their timing and made the Solar Series four times, winning two straight in ’55 and ’56. After eleven straight years of missing the playoffs, the Earth Voyagers got back to their old powerhouse days and won three straight Solar Series titles to close out the decade. In 2154, Solar League Baseball announced their All-SLB Silver Team to celebrate the 25th season of professional baseball in space. In 2155, for the first time ever, Solar League Baseball has introduced the All-Star game, which pits the best of the Terrain Division and the Jupiter Division against each other in a friendly exhibition match-up. Solar Series2150 – Storm over Volcanoes2151 – Kings over Legion2152 – Kings over Bears2153 – Bears over Legion2154 – Volcanoes over Bears2155 – Legion over Bears2156 – Legion over Volcanoes2157 – Voyagers over Kings2158 – Voyagers over Bears2159 – Voyagers over Storm 30-Year Solar Series Titles StandingsEarth Voyagers, 13Venus Storm, 5Jupiter Kings, 5Luna Apollos, 3Mars Legion, 2Callisto Bears, 1Io Volcanoes, 1Mercury Wings, 0Europa Avalanche, 0Ganymede Giants, 0 Hall-of-Fame Inductees2153 – 3B Casper Creswell, EarthIn a career spanning 2189 games, Creswell has batted .401 with 3538 hits, 878 home runs, 2337 RBIs, and 2092 runs scored. 2155 – 2B Steve Miles, EarthMiles hit .263 during his 1806-game career. He has 1668 hits, 275 doubles, 18 triples, 528 home runs, 1347 RBIs, 86 stolen bases and 1153 runs scored. 2156 – SP Nick Foote, MercuryIn his lifetime totals Foote has 30 saves with a 225-188 record and a 3.60 ERA. 2157 – LF Kevin Burgess, LunaOver the course of his career, Burgess is slugged .339 with 3387 hits, 557 doubles, 74 triples and 1262 home runs. He has scored 2557 runs and driven in 2872. 2158 – SP Rob Green, VenusGreen has collected 254 wins and 193 losses over his career with a 4.27 ERA. The 42-year-old hurler also has struck out 2188 batters in 3613.2 innings and allowed 3797 hits. Top players SP Bill Adams – The ace of the Callisto Bears and arguably one of the greatest pitchers of all time in SLB history, Adams finally retired in 2159 as the all-time leader in wins, innings pitched and WAR. He also won the Ace of the Year a record of 10 times, four times in the 50’s. C Robert Goodwin – The backstop for the Jupiter Kings, Goodwin won the Slugger of the Year for four straight years from ’50 to ’53. He is the all-time leader in WAR for catchers. RF Dave Hill – Playing right field for the Callisto Bears, Hill won Slugger of the Year award twice in the mid 50’s along with 594 home runs in his 17 years of playing time. He is also a 3-time all-star. LF Walton Hart – Walton Hurt is an underrated player who is just finishing up the prime of his career for the Ganymede Giants. He also is a 4-time All-Star while winning the Slugger of the Year award in 2156. 1B Travis Lee – Taking over the retired Dan King, Voyagers first-baseman Travis Lee took 2nd place in Rookie of the Year in 2155 and won the Slugger of the Year twice in ’58 and ’59. He is also a 4-time All-Star while leading the league in hits each year from ’56 to ’59, averaging 222 hits in these four years. Each Team’s Historical RecordsImgur Album
kewp80 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 So did you turn the financials off? I noticed there's no payroll or balance for each team. I have OOTP 13 and love it. Definitely one of my favorite games of all time. You got a really cool simulation going, I'll certainly be following.If you would like more custom uniforms and hats I would suggest checking out this template. Been using it for my alternate history of the National Association sim. Cardinals -- Rams -- Blues -- Tigers -- Liverpool Check out my music!
RoughRiders99 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 So did you turn the financials off? I noticed there's no payroll or balance for each team. I have OOTP 13 and love it. Definitely one of my favorite games of all time. You got a really cool simulation going, I'll certainly be following.If you would like more custom uniforms and hats I would suggest checking out this template. Been using it for my alternate history of the National Association sim.Yes I turned it off because I don't want to worry about it right now too much. Plus I'm afraid it might complicate things since I'm still new to OOTP. However if you have any suggestions or tips on how to manage the financial parts, I wouldn't mind using it. I can totally see Earth and the planets have a large amout of money while the moons and more distant locations have less money if that make sense.I also plan on expanding the league very soon. Glad you're enjoying it though!
Jake3roo Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 I have OOTP 9 and 11 and I still play them. I love the OOTP family of games and I think they look cleaner and cleaner every year. I only look at a few pictures, so what does OOTP 15 have that makes it cool?(If you haven't got it already, I'm deciding whether or not to get it) Â Â
kewp80 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 I have OOTP 9 and 11 and I still play them. I love the OOTP family of games and I think they look cleaner and cleaner every year. I only look at a few pictures, so what does OOTP 15 have that makes it cool?(If you haven't got it already, I'm deciding whether or not to get it)Well going to their website and reading what the features are could help you http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/1/31/full/4gfym21lgjgu2le5fiwxpfv8j.pngThe one thing that really caught my eye on this year's version was the seven international leagues with full rosters. RoughRiders, do you know which international leagues they added? Also the 3D park editor looks friggin' awesome. I was probably going to wait for 16 to come out this next spring, but now I don't know. Cardinals -- Rams -- Blues -- Tigers -- Liverpool Check out my music!
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