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Teams That Should Relocate/Relocation Destinations

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This is a pretty simple thread. List teams that should relocate and places for them to relocate to.

Hard Mode: no Coyotes or Panthers.

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Raiders/Rams. Move one (or both) to LA.

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Raiders/Rams. Move one (or both) to LA.

Put San Diego and the Rams in LA. The Raiders can move to San Antonio and play in the Alamo Dome until a new one is constructed.

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I've said for a long time that the Rams will be first to LA. I am expecting the Raiders to be second, since there won't be only one.

As a former Milwaukeean who lives in Brooklyn, I really hate relocation on principle. But there's one team that simply has to move: the Tampa Bay Rays. Great young team, likeable players, loads of on-field success, and yet they keep having to call out their own fans for not coming to the park. Pathetic. Put that team in Montreal or Portland or anywhere else (even Brooklyn), and they'd be at the top of the attendance charts.

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MLB: Tampa Bay Rays. For all the reasons Gothamite listed above...I think Montreal would be an ideal place, since the movement to bring baseball back is rising, and they wouldn't even have to leave the AL East (now the Pearson Cup can be a division rivalry).

NFL: Chargers & Raiders...both should go to LA for obvious reasons. Problem is, one would have to move to the NFC and one NFC team would have to move to the AFC (I doubt the league wants two teams in the same division in the same city)

NHL: Florida Panthers to Quebec City. I've finally accepted that the Coyotes are going nowhere, and the Panthers will be a "scapegoat" team that gets moved to a destination Canadian city much like the Thrashers did. (Hey, at least it'd be better than the Blue Jackets moving-Ohio deserves at least one team in EVERY major league)

NBA: None really...the Bucks I would have said before, but they seem to be turning the corner. I think they'll expand to 32 teams and be done with it for good after that.

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MLB: Tampa Bay Rays. For all the reasons Gothamite listed above...I think Montreal would be an ideal place, since the movement to bring baseball back is rising, and they wouldn't even have to leave the AL East (now the Pearson Cup can be a division rivalry).

NFL: Chargers & Raiders...both should go to LA for obvious reasons. Problem is, one would have to move to the NFC and one NFC team would have to move to the AFC (I doubt the league wants two teams in the same division in the same city)

NHL: Florida Panthers to Quebec City. I've finally accepted that the Coyotes are going nowhere, and the Panthers will be a "scapegoat" team that gets moved to a destination Canadian city much like the Thrashers did. (Hey, at least it'd be better than the Blue Jackets moving-Ohio deserves at least one team in EVERY major league)

NBA: None really...the Bucks I would have said before, but they seem to be turning the corner. I think they'll expand to 32 teams and be done with it for good after that.

They should just look at the NBA, LA makes it work just fine for the Clippers and Lakers.

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MLB-

Tampa Bay- Really the only candidate, but with the framework in place to explore new stadium options, it might be savable. As far as where to go, Montreal needs to do some work, but with stadium plans among other things, could work again- just not quite yet. Otherwise, Portland I suppose.

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St. Louis- Not sure what's going on here. In 19 years, the team has been relatively successful for a good chunk of it, fielding some of the most explosive teams in NFL history and winning a Superbowl within 5 years of coming to town. Los Angeles.

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Arizona- It's never going to catch on. Ever. The Coyotes could win the Cup this year, there would be a minimal spark of bandwagon interest, but it would instantly go right back to where it was. Seattle.

Florida- As much as it pains me to say, because I fell in love with the Panthers when they entered the league (loved that color scheme and leaping Panther logo), but again not viable in the long term. Quebec City.

NBA-

At the moment, everything looks OK. Several cities could be viable options as new sites however- Seattle most notably when an arena plan finally comes to fruition. Also, Pittsburgh. Sports-crazy city, lots of money, corporate support, and a brand spankin' new arena. There were rumors around town back in '09 or '10 after Bill Davidson died and the Pistons' ownership situation was a mess, that there was a potential suitor lined up to move the team to the 'Burgh. I didn't ever seeing it getting approved, but point being that there is interest there.

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Don't we have anti-threads for each sport to discuss this???

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MLB: Tampa Bay Rays. For all the reasons Gothamite listed above...I think Montreal would be an ideal place, since the movement to bring baseball back is rising, and they wouldn't even have to leave the AL East (now the Pearson Cup can be a division rivalry).

NFL: Chargers & Raiders...both should go to LA for obvious reasons. Problem is, one would have to move to the NFC and one NFC team would have to move to the AFC (I doubt the league wants two teams in the same division in the same city)

NHL: Florida Panthers to Quebec City. I've finally accepted that the Coyotes are going nowhere, and the Panthers will be a "scapegoat" team that gets moved to a destination Canadian city much like the Thrashers did. (Hey, at least it'd be better than the Blue Jackets moving-Ohio deserves at least one team in EVERY major league)

NBA: None really...the Bucks I would have said before, but they seem to be turning the corner. I think they'll expand to 32 teams and be done with it for good after that.

They should just look at the NBA, LA makes it work just fine for the Clippers and Lakers.

That's different...NBA and NHL have "Eastern" and "Western" conferences, so it works fine there. NFL and MLB have "American" and "National" conferences, so they like to have two teams in the same market in different conferences.

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Like Gothamite, I hate advocating relocation. I grew up with the North Stars and I hated losing 'em. So I am not saying I want any of this to happen but maybe it ought to.

MLB: At the risk of saying what everyone else is saying, the Tampa Bay Rays. It's one thing for a perpetually bad team to not draw but they have been pretty competitive. If it's really about the ballpark (which is terrible) and the location, then it would be up to the team (and community) to try to get something going there...would that make a difference or is the populous just disinterested? If that cannot happen, then it's just not working.

NFL: I don't think anyone really HAS to move. But we know the LA suspects and it'll happen. The NFL has gotten all it can out of the "LA" threat.

NHL: The 'Yotes. They just don't seem very embraced there.

NBA: The Timberwolves. No, I definitely don't want this to happen. But low-profile cities with terrible weather are just not likely to win in the NBA. Minnesota is free agent repellent. There are two other examples of low-profile/bad weather cities: Milwaukee and Cleveland. Cleveland, of course, is in the very unique situation of having the best player in the world hail from nearby. This is definitely a rare occurance, but they are not going anywhere for a while anyway. Milwaukee is very similar to Minnesota in that they both have late 1980s arenas that are outdated by NBA standards and are both low on just about every free agent's list. Milwaukee has no NHL team that is more beloved in their city and they have much better franchise history. Neither of those things will matter when they start demanding an arena but for now, I'd argue Minnesota should be the team to go to Seattle.

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^ Milwaukee at least has a bit of history on it's side. A title, some of the greatest players of all time hanging in the rafters, etc. You're also not far from the bright lights of Chicago.

Minnesota seems to lose its players once they're fully groomed- Garnett, Love, etc.

Even the Twins have proven to be a farm team for the Angels and Yankees in years' past.

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Like Gothamite, I hate advocating relocation. I grew up with the North Stars and I hated losing 'em. So I am not saying I want any of this to happen but maybe it ought to.

The main reason teams seem to leave is because of a lack of a good stadium/arena, but I think there's a been a few teams over the years that you could argue shot themselves in the foot in the long run by leaving, or at least should have probably moved somewhere else.

The Stars are a team that I think could be argued as one. They've done well in Dallas, but they best they can ever hope for in Dallas is to be the third most popular team in the city. Meanwhile the Wild have drawn since day one of existence, even though as a franchise they still haven't done much of anything. Can only imagine how popular they would be if they were actually good. That '99 Cup winning team would have probably been treated like gods had they won it in Minnesota.

The Raiders going back to Oakland. Another move I would have to say not really sure what was to be gained long term. I get the stadium issue, but its not like the Raiders moved into a World Class facility up in Oakland. They would have had the LA market all to themselves and would probably be one of the richest franchises in the NFL at this point instead of being at the bottom. Same argument I guess could be made for the Rams, but the Rams at least were coming into a new facility.

The Oilers going to Tennessee. Kind of the same boat as the Stars. Why would you leave a football hot bead to go to what's proven to be a bottom tier NFL market in Nashville? Well when everyone in the city hates the owner and he's not selling the team, that tends to be a deal breaker. I have no doubt that Adams could have easily found a buyer to keep the team in Houston if he wanted to.

The Jets moving to Arizona. Again not that Winnipeg was ever that great of a market, but Phoenix has just been flat out awful almost from day one. If every sports league fought as hard to keep teams from relocating as the NHL has to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix, the St. Louis Browns would still be around.

The Whalers to Carolina. Again much like Coyotes. Not that Hartford was ever that great, but the citizens of Raleigh could by in large give less then a crap about the Hurricanes. The Whalers were also set up perfectly for some great regional rivalries if and when they were good. I don't quite see Hurricanes/Caps ever being at the level that Whalers/Bruins or Whalers/Rangers could have potentially been.

Those are the five I can think of where I think you would say in hindsight it was a bad idea at the time. Every other move I think has at least proven itself to be a lateral one, even amongst the more controversial ones. The Colts have done pretty well for themselves in Indy. Ravens have drawn consistently well in Baltimore. As big as the Dodgers would probably be right now if they had stayed in Brooklyn, they can't complain about what they've done in LA.

As far as what teams should be looking to move now, I don't think I'm going to say anything that isn't going to be mentioned by somebody else. The Rays at the very least need to get out of St. Pete. The A's would probably be better served moving to a better area in NoCal. No clue why they aren't taking a more of a look at Sacramento. The Coyotes. Probably both Oakland and Jacksonville considering the other markets out there. NBA I think is probably the most set even though that's where you've had the most recent amount of movement. Seattle would be the most obvious choice, but even with teams like Minnesota and Milwaukee, I think their lack of popularity is more of a result of bad ownership then being in a bad market.

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MLB: Rays- They never have managed to draw despite success, and since success seems to be leaving the Rays it's all going downhill from here. Where to? I don't know really. Montreal, Portland, San Antonio or even maybe Brookyln could work.

NFL: Rams, Raiders- Both never have good numbers, and have s***holes that they call stadiums. They are easily the best candidates for Los Angeles.

NHL: Coyotes, Panthers, Hurricanes- Coyotes to Seattle, Panthers to Quebec City, and Hurricanes to wherever. That's all I feel I need to say.

NBA: None really. New Orleans I can kind of see but they're doing better than they used to (thanks Anthony Davis). Honestly just expansion to Seattle and Vancouver(?) is the best option.

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NHL: Hurricanes

Why the Canes? Sure, they suck right now, but they have a pretty damn good fanbase for a Southern NHL team (remember the ASG they hosted) and they won a Cup. If you moved them to Charlotte and the Checkers to Raleigh, I'd agree with you completely. But there isn't a strong reason for them to leave the Carolinas.

Arizona Coyotes and florida panthers. no more needs to be said.

I see you turned on Rookie difficulty, Coast2Coast. Personally, I too have accepted that 'Zona's going nowhere, but just winning a 20-round shootout isn't enough legacy to keep the Cats in Sunrise, which is a damn shame because dat logo and dem jerseys. I think the most obvious thing to do with the Cats is have them become the second coming of the Quebec Nordiques, since there would be no need for a divisional re-alignment and, well, everyone and their mother is begging for the Nordiques to come back. Assuming the Vegas expansion team is a surefire thing, Seattle, Portland, Houston, and Milwaukee are other, less-convenient options.

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I don't follow the NBA at all, do teams draw well in attendance? Which teams are at the bottom of that list?

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NFL: Raiders and Rams to LA

NHL: Florida and Arizona to Quebec and Seattle or Hartford

MLB: Rays to Montreal, A's to San Jose

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MLB: Everybody else is saying it so why not? The Tampa Bay Rays are in the top 3 franchises that need to be relocated (Coyotes, Fl. Panthers are 1&2 don't care Abt order) Cruddy attendance and ballpark for a team that's been pretty good. Add in some of the worst mlb unis and you pretty much deserve to get out of tampa. Montreal would be ideal.

NFL: Oakland tops the list. You play in a baseball stadium for gosh sakes. LA is in the same goshdang state and the NFL wants a team in LA, so yeah, Oakland probably isn't that big of a market anyways.

Others that should consider ditching their homes The Jacksonville Jaguars: you've got 3 teams in the state of Florida, this one has the worst attendance IDRK where they'd go but somewhere else seems like a good idea

San Diego or StL moving to LA would be fine w/me.

NBA: Sacramento Kings. #SaveTheSonics

NHL: Panthers and Coyotes. That's really all that needs to be said.

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Why the Canes? Sure, they suck right now, but they have a pretty damn good fanbase for a Southern NHL team (remember the ASG they hosted) and they won a Cup.

I don't believe their fanbase is very strong at all.

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