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Wow. I need to know the minor leaguers headed to Colorado, because there's no way the Rockies are this dumb. We're gonna score so many runs. I'm talking back to back to back to back home runs here. Wow.

Scoring runs wasn't the problem for the Jays. They already led baseball in runs scored by over 100 runs, they can't slug their way out of .500. They need to upgrade their pitching staff. Desperate move by a desperate GM. He's not done dealing. Someone will bend the Jays over for a starter.

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The more I look at the particulars of this deal and the more I digest it, the less sense it makes for either team. The Rockies just ditched the face of their franchise and arguably the most notable player in franchise history AND a bullpen piece for an oft injured Reyes and some prospects. Unless they nabbed a top 25 prospect or something, this is nothing more than a flat out stupid trade on their part.

And then there's the other side of it. The Jays are already strapped for cash and need pitching so desperately. They just doubled their salary at shortstop (don't get me wrong, it's a HUGE upgrade) for a guy who is notorious for lower body injuries and now has to play on that crapy SkyDome turf. This is one of the strangest trades I've seen in quite awhile.

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Wow. I need to know the minor leaguers headed to Colorado, because there's no way the Rockies are this dumb. We're gonna score so many runs. I'm talking back to back to back to back home runs here. Wow.

Scoring runs wasn't the problem for the Jays. They already led baseball in runs scored by over 100 runs, they can't slug their way out of .500. They need to upgrade their pitching staff. Desperate move by a desperate GM.

I'm well aware of this. Like Bucfan said, after digesting it, this trade makes no sense. AA is fighting for his job, and all he knows how to do is pick up sluggers. I'd rather have Jeff Samardzija than Troy Tulowitzki.

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Wow. I need to know the minor leaguers headed to Colorado, because there's no way the Rockies are this dumb. We're gonna score so many runs. I'm talking back to back to back to back home runs here. Wow.


Scoring runs wasn't the problem for the Jays. They already led baseball in runs scored by over 100 runs, they can't slug their way out of .500. They need to upgrade their pitching staff. Desperate move by a desperate GM.
I'm well aware of this. Like Bucfan said, after digesting it, this trade makes no sense. AA is fighting for his job, and all he knows how to do is pick up sluggers. I'd rather have Jeff Samardzija than Troy Tulowitzki.

I'd be worried what AA is willing to trade for say Jeff Samardjija. Someone will have him over the barrel if he's desperate enough.


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So the Rockies trade the face of their franchise for an arm that looks like a future reliever with control problems and an injury prone overpaid SS.

EDIT: Looks like Rockies will get 2 other minor leaguers, better be good one's.

@JonHeymanCBS two more minor leaguers will go to rockies in deal. so deal is tulo and hawkins for reyes, castro & 2 minor leaguers.

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THIS IS SOOOOO STUPID! SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN COLORADO, THE ROCKIES HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE FOR 22 SEASONS AND SOMEHOW WE ARE STILL THE TOP THIRD IN ATTENDANCE. SELL THE ROCKIES MONFORT AND MAYBE I WILL BECOME A FAN AGAIN!!!!! SO MAD, NOW MY FAVORITE NFL AND MLB TEAMS ARE FROM THE SAME CITY.

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TULO! I hope AA isn't done. But wow. I can't even get mad at that dude.

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It hurts losing Hoffman. Castro I can deal with, I like Aaron Sanchez and Roberto Osuna better in the pen. But Jeff Hoffman is a great pitching prospect.

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So the Rockies trade the face of their franchise for an arm that looks like a future reliever with control problems and an injury prone overpaid SS.

In fairness two injury prone shortstops got traded for each other. This is the first season in recent memory that Tulo hasn't hit the DL for an extended spell.

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Tulowitzki has been in trade talks for a couple seasons now... this "franchise" player was gonna get dealt no matter what. I'm not saying he wasn't the Rockies most notable player in team history, but you would think they'd keep him safe which they haven't for a few years. Honestly, if they end up trading Gonzalez, that is when you know this team is overhauling.

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The Reyes-Tulo trade is bewildering its a swap of injury prone shortstops and the Jays upgrading an offense that is already the best in baseball while ignoring a horrendous pitching staff, are they really thinking LaTroy Hawkins is going to solve their bullpen struggles maybe he can save more than five game which seems to be the limit in Toronto this year but they would have been much better off getting Arodolis Chapman or Cole Hamels.

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The Blue Jays for years have been the best team in baseball that goes nowhere. If they were in any other division outside of the AL East, they would have made the postseason at least twice since '93. This year they have a run differential of almost +100 and are only .500.

The addition of Tulo gives the Blue Jays arguably the best infield in the AL, if not all of the baseball. Certainly from an offensive perspective they would seem to be the hands down best now if they weren't already. With Reyes gone, Edwin Encarnacion becomes the worst bat of the four and he's probably going to end the year with 30+ homers. If that doesn't qualify as being loaded I don't know what does.

Only thing holding back Toronto is their pitching. I don't think it takes a genius to figure that out, but I think it would take a genius to figure out how to improve that staff and/or bullpen without worsening the offense or dealing away someone like Aaron Sanchez who looks like he could be the number one starter in that rotation as early as next year.

They might be able to go out and get a decent three or maybe a setup man but that's it. If this team is to have a chance at October, they need R.A. Dickey to step up and be that staff ace he was brought in to be. Without that, I think your again looking at a solid team that's one or two players away from being a serious contender.

I also hope the Jays keep Anthopoulos. Not every move he's made has been great, but he hasn't made one yet where I looked at it and said I don't know what he's thinking with this. The only deal that I think he's made that's been a flat out disaster was the Halladay deal. But even there, I'm not sure how much blame you can put on Anthopoulos. I thought Kyle Drabek was as good as advertised. He just got hurt. It happens.

But right now both their 25 man roster and their farm system are above average and Ricciardi has been out the door long enough to where you can say this is Anthopoulos' team. He should be given the chance to see what he can do with it.

From the Rockies perspective I'm not quite sure I understand it as much. I get they're in rebuilding mode, but its not like Tulo is some washed up veteran with no value. He's only 30 and you would think has at least another two or three years of being a productive starting shortstop. They also don't seem to have any long term replacement lined up, unless Jose Reyes is it.

They got a decent return in Hoffman, but given the track record that team when it comes to pitching and developing pitching, I wonder if it would ever make sense for the Rockies to trade for a pitching prospect.

But the main point is that I see no reason for why Tulo "had to go". He has some years left in the tank. His contract wasn't preventing the team from making moves because he was the only player singed past 2017 and it's a fair contract that he's under. And on top of everything he plays a position that is not easy to find talent at.

They could be getting something back for Tulo, but unless they know something about him health wise that nobody else does, they're definitely losing something in letting him go.

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I don't think they need to trade for a closer. Sanchez and Osuna can lock down the late innings pretty well, and Hawkins is a decent veteran piece. They could stand to add a lefty middle reliever and send down Aaron Loup, who has troubles with home runs.

The real issue is the awful rotation. So far this season, Marco Estrada has been their best starter. That is not acceptable. They need to trade for a starter like Samardzija or Leake, because without a halfway decent starting rotation they'll be in the same place. It's a shame that Hoffman and Castro are gone, because they could easily have anchored a deal for Cole Hamels or even David Price.

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The Blue Jays for years have been the best team in baseball that goes nowhere. If they were in any other division outside of the AL East, they would have made the postseason at least twice since '93. This year they have a run differential of almost +100 and are only .500.

The addition of Tulo gives the Blue Jays arguably the best infield in the AL, if not all of the baseball. Certainly from an offensive perspective they would seem to be the hands down best now if they weren't already. With Reyes gone, Edwin Encarnacion becomes the worst bat of the four and he's probably going to end the year with 30+ homers. If that doesn't qualify as being loaded I don't know what does.

Only thing holding back Toronto is their pitching. I don't think it takes a genius to figure that out, but I think it would take a genius to figure out how to improve that staff and/or bullpen without worsening the offense or dealing away someone like Aaron Sanchez who looks like he could be the number one starter in that rotation as early as next year.

They might be able to go out and get a decent three or maybe a setup man but that's it. If this team is to have a chance at October, they need R.A. Dickey to step up and be that staff ace he was brought in to be. Without that, I think your again looking at a solid team that's one or two players away from being a serious contender.

I also hope the Jays keep Anthopoulos. Not every move he's made has been great, but he hasn't made one yet where I looked at it and said I don't know what he's thinking with this. The only deal that I think he's made that's been a flat out disaster was the Halladay deal. But even there, I'm not sure how much blame you can put on Anthopoulos. I thought Kyle Drabek was as good as advertised. He just got hurt. It happens.

But right now both their 25 man roster and their farm system are above average and Ricciardi has been out the door long enough to where you can say this is Anthopoulos' team. He should be given the chance to see what he can do with it.

From the Rockies perspective I'm not quite sure I understand it as much. I get they're in rebuilding mode, but its not like Tulo is some washed up veteran with no value. He's only 30 and you would think has at least another two or three years of being a productive starting shortstop. They also don't seem to have any long term replacement lined up, unless Jose Reyes is it.

They got a decent return in Hoffman, but given the track record that team when it comes to pitching and developing pitching, I wonder if it would ever make sense for the Rockies to trade for a pitching prospect.

But the main point is that I see no reason for why Tulo "had to go". He has some years left in the tank. His contract wasn't preventing the team from making moves because he was the only player singed past 2017 and it's a fair contract that he's under. And on top of everything he plays a position that is not easy to find talent at.

They could be getting something back for Tulo, but unless they know something about him health wise that nobody else does, they're definitely losing something in letting him go.

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Tulowitzki has been in trade talks for a couple seasons now... this "franchise" player was gonna get dealt no matter what. I'm not saying he wasn't the Rockies most notable player in team history, but you would think they'd keep him safe which they haven't for a few years. Honestly, if they end up trading Gonzalez, that is when you know this team is overhauling.

Helton best player in Rockies history. But Tulo is #2 and they'll surely retire his number. Also Monforts are cheap owners who don't care about winning. I don't mind trading prospects, you can never tell what a guy might do in a few years, when you have a chance to get a game-changing guy you do it. Dickey I would not have traded for, he's an old knuckleballer, but I think that deal was as much about establishing a new culture as anything, as if to send a message "hey we are seriously," but I obviously wish that deal had been rethought because Dickey was old when they got him and I'm just not sure what the hell they thought a knuckleballer was going to do in the AL East not named Tim Wakefield who himself was never an ace either.

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I don't think they need to trade for a closer. Sanchez and Osuna can lock down the late innings pretty well, and Hawkins is a decent veteran piece. They could stand to add a lefty middle reliever and send down Aaron Loup, who has troubles with home runs.

The real issue is the awful rotation. So far this season, Marco Estrada has been their best starter. That is not acceptable. They need to trade for a starter like Samardzija or Leake, because without a halfway decent starting rotation they'll be in the same place. It's a shame that Hoffman and Castro are gone, because they could easily have anchored a deal for Cole Hamels or even David Price.

I would say possibly instead of easily to those deals.

You don't know what Detroit and Philly were asking for and as long as they can keep Daniel Norris they'll still have at least one good pitching prospect.

There's also no reason why this year has to be a World Series or bust year. The only team I think like that is Washington. while the Mets didn't go out and go crazy, adding Tyler Clippard, Juan Uribe and Kelly Johnson makes that team better. Getting back Travis D'Arnaud and David Wright should make them even better on top of that and they're only two games back. That alone should be enough incentive to out and make a big time move. They may not want to trade Giolito or Reynaldo Lopez but I don't see how that team makes a move serious enough to be legit contenders without moving at least one of those players.

The Jays are a team who I think will be in better position to do more at the deadline next year. There's still room for improvement with the Jays without the need for them to make a move. Both Dickey and Buehrle come off the books after this year so they should have some money to play with. They could even decide to keep both for less then they are currently being paid, especially Buehrle who's not going to be making $20 million next year.

I would imagine its tough being a Jays fan right now. There's far more to like about this team then not like and if this team had even decent pitching, they would be in first place and they haven't been to the playoffs in over 20 years. So what is the holdup on getting a Cole Hamels, when it might be enough to put them in October? It's not an easy answer to that question and not one that anyone should give with a great deal of confidence.

I wouldn't make a trade like that if I were Toronto, but I wouldn't call any GM that did crazy.

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Tulowitzki has been in trade talks for a couple seasons now... this "franchise" player was gonna get dealt no matter what. I'm not saying he wasn't the Rockies most notable player in team history, but you would think they'd keep him safe which they haven't for a few years. Honestly, if they end up trading Gonzalez, that is when you know this team is overhauling.

Helton best player in Rockies history. But Tulo is #2 and they'll surely retire his number. Also Monforts are cheap owners who don't care about winning. I don't mind trading prospects, you can never tell what a guy might do in a few years, when you have a chance to get a game-changing guy you do it. Dickey I would not have traded for, he's an old knuckleballer, but I think that deal was as much about establishing a new culture as anything, as if to send a message "hey we are seriously," but I obviously wish that deal had been rethought because Dickey was old when they got him and I'm just not sure what the hell they thought a knuckleballer was going to do in the AL East not named Tim Wakefield who himself was never an ace either.

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