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Speaking of the NASL it seems that Carmello Anthony wants to bring NASL soccer back to Puerto Rico.

http://www.empireofsoccer.com/carmelo-anthony-ownership-35497/

That sounds like a stupid idea and Carmelo Anthony wants to do stupid things, so good luck with that!

I'm kind of lost on how wanting to do more with his life and preparing for life after the NBA is him doing "stupid things".

Back to the main point though, it would be kind of cool to have a Puerto Rican team back in the NASL. Games between that team and the Cosmos at Hofstra could be interesting if they could gain some traction with the Puerto Rican community in NY.

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Melo isn't preparing for life after basketball. He's playing pretend mogul, but without any creativity or vision. The article is making fun of him without him realizing it.

All I know about NASL is what I read in this thread. And what I see is a league fighting to maintain its current standing, expanding in all the wrong places.

I know US is still figuring out its soccer pyramid, but USL seems like the safer bet for now. If I were looking for an investment opportunity, it would be for a franchise with a future. The best NASL locations are being poached for MLS, and from what I can surmise, NASL needs to head west but isn't.

I don't know what happens with a Puerto Rico NASL team. Puerto Rico isn't part of the standard American sports footprint, but that doesn't make it a bad thing in and of itself. But the long term benefits of owning a NASL team aren't clear to me. Maybe someone can explain?

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Well, the NASL operates on a different model than MLS (or even the rest of pro sports in the U.S.). Teams are essentially independent, and from what I gather they can keep more of what they earn. So somebody in a good market, with a good team, can theoretically make much more than they would in other minor leagues.

But it is still minor league. That's the thing NASL can't seem to wrap its collective head around. They seem to think they can convince the USSF to just give them co-D1 status, but there're getting to the point where they'll need a second waiver just to hold on to D2 a little longer.

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Melo isn't preparing for life after basketball. He's playing pretend mogul, but without any creativity or vision. The article is making fun of him without him realizing it.

All I know about NASL is what I read in this thread. And what I see is a league fighting to maintain its current standing, expanding in all the wrong places.

I know US is still figuring out its soccer pyramid, but USL seems like the safer bet for now. If I were looking for an investment opportunity, it would be for a franchise with a future. The best NASL locations are being poached for MLS, and from what I can surmise, NASL needs to head west but isn't.

I don't know what happens with a Puerto Rico NASL team. Puerto Rico isn't part of the standard American sports footprint, but that doesn't make it a bad thing in and of itself. But the long term benefits of owning a NASL team aren't clear to me. Maybe someone can explain?

Expanding in all the wrong places… like Indianapolis and Jacksonville, both of which are drawing 10,000+ per game.

Okay.

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Thanks. That's my read on NASL. It's an independent leagues with delusions of grandeur. So it fits Melo we'll - because he's delusional, you see - but it seems like not a great long-term investment for anyone new.

If I had Melo's money, I'd try to buy in on the next wave of MLS expansion, or trying to get in with an MLS team's system. There are a bunch of "2" franchises out there, but USL isn't saturated yet.

There's money to be made in US soccer, but NASL seems like the option least likely to be successful over the long term. Especially if you're paying for a new team and/or a stadium.

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I seem to recall that the problem with the Puerto Rico Islanders was the stadium. He should be able to fix that.

A suitable venue is the least of the issues of having a team in Puerto Rico.

Thanks. That's my read on NASL. It's an independent leagues with delusions of grandeur. So it fits Melo we'll - because he's delusional, you see - but it seems like not a great long-term investment for anyone new.

If I had Melo's money, I'd try to buy in on the next wave of MLS expansion, or trying to get in with an MLS team's system. There are a bunch of "2" franchises out there, but USL isn't saturated yet.

There's money to be made in US soccer, but NASL seems like the option least likely to be successful over the long term. Especially if you're paying for a new team and/or a stadium.

I give Carmelo credit for trying, but the bottom line is that...

Puerto Rico: North America :: Greece: The EU

It's an economic disaster ready to implode.

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Melo isn't preparing for life after basketball. He's playing pretend mogul, but without any creativity or vision. The article is making fun of him without him realizing it.

All I know about NASL is what I read in this thread. And what I see is a league fighting to maintain its current standing, expanding in all the wrong places.

I know US is still figuring out its soccer pyramid, but USL seems like the safer bet for now. If I were looking for an investment opportunity, it would be for a franchise with a future. The best NASL locations are being poached for MLS, and from what I can surmise, NASL needs to head west but isn't.

I don't know what happens with a Puerto Rico NASL team. Puerto Rico isn't part of the standard American sports footprint, but that doesn't make it a bad thing in and of itself. But the long term benefits of owning a NASL team aren't clear to me. Maybe someone can explain?

Expanding in all the wrong places like Indianapolis and Jacksonville, both of which are drawing 10,000+ per game.

Okay.

That's great, but you and I both know that they should be prioritizing California to remain relevant.

I wish success for the cities that want to support pro soccer in the US. I just think it'd be better to somehow organize under the umbrella of MLS than to work against it. MLS has a future. I don't know than NASL does.

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Thanks. That's my read on NASL. It's an independent leagues with delusions of grandeur. So it fits Melo we'll - because he's delusional, you see - but it seems like not a great long-term investment for anyone new.

If I had Melo's money, I'd try to buy in on the next wave of MLS expansion, or trying to get in with an MLS team's system. There are a bunch of "2" franchises out there, but USL isn't saturated yet.

There's money to be made in US soccer, but NASL seems like the option least likely to be successful over the long term. Especially if you're paying for a new team and/or a stadium.

I think the NASL is going to be fine. They are eventually going to get a west coast team because even Peterson (NASL Comissioner) knows it will be necessary soon. As far as the delusions of grandeur about being a D1 division, the main 2 camps trying to pump that notion are Peterson and the Cosmos. I think the rest of the league knows what's really going on.

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Thanks. That's my read on NASL. It's an independent leagues with delusions of grandeur. So it fits Melo we'll - because he's delusional, you see - but it seems like not a great long-term investment for anyone new.

If I had Melo's money, I'd try to buy in on the next wave of MLS expansion, or trying to get in with an MLS team's system. There are a bunch of "2" franchises out there, but USL isn't saturated yet.

There's money to be made in US soccer, but NASL seems like the option least likely to be successful over the long term. Especially if you're paying for a new team and/or a stadium.

I think the NASL is going to be fine. They are eventually going to get a west coast team because even Peterson (NASL Comissioner) knows it will be necessary soon. As far as the delusions of grandeur about being a D1 division, the main 2 camps trying to pump that notion are Peterson and the Cosmos. I think the rest of the league knows what's really going on.

Question is, where do you think NASL will get Western teams? Most markets out west are already spoken for in LA, the Bay Area, Sacramento. And Vegas may soon be off that list as well.

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think the NASL is going to be fine. They are eventually going to get a west coast team because even Peterson (NASL Comissioner) knows it will be necessary soon. As far as the delusions of grandeur about being a D1 division, the main 2 camps trying to pump that notion are Peterson and the Cosmos. I think the rest of the league knows what's really going on.

So if the Commissioner is on a fool's errand, and is being supported by the wealthiest and arguably most powerful ownership (who might well buy up the now-available shares in the league). That's an awfully big hurdle for the league to eventually be fine....

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Not to get all reel line mint, but it seems the logical endgame is some merge of USL and NASL under the MLS brand, with a resort of D2 and D3 leagues (and no pro/rel, of course, unless it's limited to the lower ranks).

There's enough soccer to go around. It'd be nice if it were structures in a way that worked for everyone.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags

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think the NASL is going to be fine. They are eventually going to get a west coast team because even Peterson (NASL Comissioner) knows it will be necessary soon. As far as the delusions of grandeur about being a D1 division, the main 2 camps trying to pump that notion are Peterson and the Cosmos. I think the rest of the league knows what's really going on.

So if the Commissioner is on a fool's errand, and is being supported by the wealthiest and arguably most powerful ownership (who might well buy up the now-available shares in the league). That's an awfully big hurdle for the league to eventually be fine....

I think Peterson deep down knows that the league will never surpass MLS because it doesn't have the resources or else he's clinically insane. As for the Cosmos I think the reason they like to pump up stuff about NASL competing with MLS is they know that they will never be in MLS and can't act they are a D2 team since they goes against everything their brand is about.

If they get a team on the West coast they should be fine.

Not to get all reel line mint, but it seems the logical endgame is some merge of USL and NASL under the MLS brand, with a resort of D2 and D3 leagues (and no pro/rel, of course, unless it's limited to the lower ranks).

There's enough soccer to go around. It'd be nice if it were structures in a way that worked for everyone.

I don't see the NASL & USL working together since the NASL was formed from clubs that split off from the USL in 2009.

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Question is, where do you think NASL will get Western teams? Most markets out west are already spoken for in LA, the Bay Area, Sacramento. And Vegas may soon be off that list as well.

San Diego?

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Maybe I missed it but has anyone official from the NASL or a team owner actually said they want to be D1? Seriously, I just looked for Peterson out and out saying it and I can't find it. Fans (mainly cosmos fans) yes all the time. But all I hear is how they want to be "first division quality" clubs. No different than the MLS wanting to compete with European leagues right? I'd hate to hear my team not go after a player because "we're just D2 and need to know our place." It'd be like NYCFC saying they aren't worthy of Lampard because they are "just MLS."

If your league doesn't aspire to be as good as possible, what's the point?

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Yes, the Commissioner has said it. He compared it to having the American and National Leagues. He's also denied that the NASL is a lower division than MLS, using the example that teams can move from his league to the other one. He's delusional, or selling something to someone who is.

If done right, I think San Francisco would be viable as a city. It's that first part that's the trick.

There's not a lot of places they could play. Kezar seems to be the best option, but public transportation is reportedly not good.

I'm also hearing that SF doesn't do well with minor league teams. Few major cities do, to be fair.

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Kezar?!?! I don't think so. It's on the opposite end of the city from the transportation hubs and it's basically a community field at this point. And considering how jammed up it gets around GGP as it is, I can't see that being anything near a viable option.

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Yes, the Commissioner has said it. He compared it to having the American and National Leagues. He's also denied that the NASL is a lower division than MLS, using the example that teams can move from his league to the other one. He's delusional, or selling something to someone who is.

If done right, I think San Francisco would be viable as a city. It's that first part that's the trick.

There's not a lot of places they could play. Kezar seems to be the best option, but public transportation is reportedly not good.

I'm also hearing that SF doesn't do well with minor league teams. Few major cities do, to be fair.

Kezar is on a MUNI bus line and a block away from the N-Judah rail line as the train has a stop at Cole and Stanyan. There is another stop earlier which is not as steep a downhill walk as the Stanyan stop is. The only nearby parking garage is the 800 space Music Concourse garage, which is basically in Golden Gate Park for the California Academy of Sciences and the deYoung Art Museum.

As I have posted before, Kezar's location and public transport are some of the least of the problems.

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