rams80 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 tl;dr: The Best Fans in Baseball are spoiled rotten. Houston put up with absolute garbage for far longer, as did Cleveland. Don't give me that fragile market crap-the bottom fell out for attendance before the bottom fell out on the field. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I was listening to the MNF pregame show on the radio and either Kevin Harlan or Jim Gray said, "They're expecting a full house in St. Louis tonight" and both mentioned that "there's no baseball" in reference to the ALCS, which struck me as odd.I raised an eyebrow at "full house," went about my business and tuned into the TV in time to see the game-ending pick 6 and hear some of the postgame comments about the lack of fans.So, did everyone just assume that "no Cardinals game + 1999 tribute = full house"? Or was there just that many no-shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 tl;dr: The Best Fans in Baseball are spoiled rotten. Houston put up with absolute garbage for far longer, as did Cleveland. Don't give me that fragile market crap-the bottom fell out for attendance before the bottom fell out on the field.Not sure why I bother if you won't even read it, but that's just not true.Attendance fell a few thousand short of full house for the final game of 2006. Then the Rams went 6-42 (and 15-65, worst five year stretch in pro sports history). The bottom fell out in the stands when the bottom fell out on the field. Anything said to the contrary is a falsehood.As for Houston, they did have a franchise roughly as garbage as the Rams, and you know what? They had really bad attendance until they were good. Then they weren't, they had a stadium issue, attendance wasn't good, and they moved.The history of the Houston Oilers takes Rams fans off the hook more than it makes them look bad. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I was listening to the MNF pregame show on the radio and either Kevin Harlan or Jim Gray said, "They're expecting a full house in St. Louis tonight" and both mentioned that "there's no baseball" in reference to the ALCS, which struck me as odd.I raised an eyebrow at "full house," went about my business and tuned into the TV in time to see the game-ending pick 6 and hear some of the postgame comments about the lack of fans.So, did everyone just assume that "no Cardinals game + 1999 tribute = full house"? Or was there just that many no-shows?Probably a combination of thoughtlessness, the idea that everyone should go to NFL games no matter the product, and probably blind optimism by the Rams front office. All one had to do was look at stub hub (actually, I'm assuming, I didn't look) to see that despite a sellout, attendance wasn't gonna be much better than it has been. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Serious talks to keep the Rams in St. Louis are reportedly underway (and perhaps have been all along): http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bryan-burwell/burwell-efforts-heat-up-to-keep-rams-here/article_f46291bd-4bf0-5654-9e0a-195da8fd2df2.htmlNote, however, that this information is no more concrete than any other report. The information is vague and the sources are unclear. But the writer himself is reputable (though not any more or less than the writers of some other recent reports). Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://instagram.com/p/uHO1aaLV4d/Is...that a Tom Brady jersey in the foreground? Christ the Best Fans in Baseball suck.I couldn't see the jersey. I was blinded by their godawful field. That has to be one of the worst field turf installations on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Serious talks to keep the Rams in St. Louis are reportedly underway (and perhaps have been all along): http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bryan-burwell/burwell-efforts-heat-up-to-keep-rams-here/article_f46291bd-4bf0-5654-9e0a-195da8fd2df2.htmlNote, however, that this information is no more concrete than any other report. The information is vague and the sources are unclear. But the writer himself is reputable (though not any more or less than the writers of some other recent reports).Interesting location. A quick look at Google Maps makes it appear that there is room on the riverfront between the casino and bridge.The timing of the leak makes sense. They are getting close to the point of no return. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 AEG just got their extension for another 6 months.http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2014/10/15/7991/aeg-to-la-we-will-gladly-give-you-nfl-team-tuesday-for-a-hamburger-today-la-to-aeg-sure/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Not surprising. They've all invested this much time in it, what's six more months? Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 From CBS Sports:Raiders, Rams would be L.A.-bound already if not for NFLhttp://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24758737/rams-raiders-would-be-los-angeles-bound----if-not-for-the-nflThis confirms what we've said in here for at least a year: The NFL is running the show, not individual teams.Also:Farmers Field is an "extreme longshot"Kroenke's land could become the NFL's landRams-Raiders or Raiders-Chargers work, but not Rams-Chargers because Kroenke and Spanos are both real-estate guys, while Davis is just along for the rideTeams are being advised to call the NFL's bluff, but if they do, they won't get the votes to relocateChargers haven't shown same motivation as Rams, Raiders"Any deal in L.A. has to be good for all 32 teams, not just one or two" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A lot of this stay-or-relocate talk is going to be pure-speculation until the Rams have played their final home game of the season. And we may not hear any more real news until the playoffs and Super Bowl are over.The Rams and the NFL are wise enough to not piss off potential ticket-buyers, so they surely won't break any pro-moving news when there's tickets and merchandise to be sold. They're going to "say all the right things" until the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieMoon Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Agreed. I could see them moving. But, in all reality the Jaguars are the only team that needs to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil G Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Not really. The stadium is at an average of 94% full for a joke of a team. Not bad. Quote Bruh check out my last.fm And my Rate Your Music Fantasy Teams: Seattle Spacemen (CFA) Signature credit to Silent Wind of Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 For what it's worth....Rich McKay (President of the Falcons, a higher-up on the NFL's Competition Committee) has a weekly segment on the Falcons radio broadcast. Generally, the discussion has more to do with the goings-on with the league than the team, especially the off-field aspects of football: the business side. McKay mentioned that the topic of Los Angeles has been discussed for years and years at these owner's meetings. Obviously, the league has an interest in the #2 market in the US. However, the impression he got about a team in Los Angeles was that "it's becoming more of an issue of when, not if", and that he felt Los Angeles is getting a team sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I pretty much take every report with a grain of salt at this point, no matter the source, and no matter how sure they appear to be. Here's a doozy of an excerpt: There aren't any endarounds to be had, and while some outside counsel -- like banks, law firms and consultants -- may be advising an owner like Davis or Kroenke to go ahead and push the issue to a vote. They figure the NFL and its owners wouldn't vote a move down and send an already financially handcuffed club back to a lame-duck market. (Emphasis is mine.) Every team in the NFL makes a pretty solid profit. The idea of any team being financially handcuffed is a bit laughable. This is especially true in the case of the Rams where Stan Kroenke ranks as one of the wealthiest owners in sports. While he isn't operating within the greatest building and isn't drawing in the most fans, he still has a very favorable lease as far as the money it allows the team to make. And the "lame-duck market" is an interesting statement as well. These are more lame-duck teams than they are lame-duck markets. It is after all the team making the decision whether or not to commit to a market, not vice versa. In any case, La Canfora's information could be good. But either he and/or his source(s) seems to have a particular angle on this, and I'm not sure it's not influencing what he's perceiving as the facts. We'll have a better grasp of things after the season. Maybe. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Are any St. Louis government positions open for election next month? And are they using the Rams in any sort of platform (pro or con)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 As best I can tell, there's a state rep and a uS rep on the ballot, but nobody has used that as a platform. The St. Louis County Executive is on the ballot in St. Louis county, but to my knowledge, neither candidate has campaigned with regards to the Rams. This does come from the recent Bryan Burwell piece in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, however, so maybe there's something to this thinking. Or maybe other politicians are just preoccupied until after the election? The silence from local negotiators does not mean they haven’t been working feverishly to put a deal together. According to these sources, that silence could be broken with the completion of next month’s midterm elections. What local negotiators have been working on, and could be prepared to publicly discuss within the next month or so, is a proposal for an open-air stadium along the St. Louis riverfront between the new Stan Musial Veterans Memorial Bridge and the Lumiere Place Casino and Hotels. By the way, just to clarify (probably again) for those not familiar: St. Louis City (where the Dome currently is, as well as where the suggested location above is), operates as it's own City-County. St. Louis County surrounds St. Louis city on the Missouri side and is it's own entity containing 90+ mostly small municipalities. On many major developments like stadiums, they partner on the funding (sometimes with the state as well), even though the development sits in just one. There's a long history to why that split occurred, why it has never quite been changed, and issues that it has led to (the socio-economic issues we've seen play out in STL the last few months are largely rooted in this, be it the city not being part of the county or there being SO many small municipalities within the county). There is a significant push to change this in some way in the near future, but for now they're still completely separate entities that sometimes play nice (and other times do not). It's truly it's own issue, but I just wanted to point that out because it could have a bearing on how or if things get funded. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I'm not going to say the teams are "financially handicapped", per se, but I think the point about calling the NFL's bluff on a relocation vote is that if a team can't get a favorable stadium deal done, that is unlikely to change if the NFL blocks a move to the most likely relocation candidate city.There are really only three teams in play for a move right now, so I'm not sure what the league gains by denying a move over some undotted i's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Los Angeles has already worked; many teams used the threat of relocation to leverage new stadiums in their current cities. Now it's more or less worthless as a threat for the next fifteen years or so, and the NFL isn't going to waste the market until then. That's why the only teams now in play are teams with genuinely dire stadium situations, teams that very well might actually move. Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 There aren't any endarounds to be had, and while some outside counsel -- like banks, law firms and consultants -- may be advising an owner like Davis or Kroenke to go ahead and push the issue to a vote. They figure the NFL and its owners wouldn't vote a move down and send an already financially handcuffed club back to a lame-duck market.(Emphasis is mine.)Every team in the NFL makes a pretty solid profit. The idea of any team being financially handcuffed is a bit laughable. This is especially true in the case of the Rams where Stan Kroenke ranks as one of the wealthiest owners in sports. While he isn't operating within the greatest building and isn't drawing in the most fans, he still has a very favorable lease as far as the money it allows the team to make.I agree it seems odd. The only way that statement makes any sense is if it's referring to things like PSLs, in-stadium retail outlets, upscale food options and other things that can raise millions of dollars every year but aren't subject to revenue sharing. That's why we have the "first tier" language in the lease, after all. The Rams are definitely falling behind the rest of the league in these types of revenue streams.I wouldn't think those things mean a whole lot to a gazillionare owner, but sometimes they're the most cost-conscious of all. Rich people don't get that way, or stay that way, leaving money on the table. But we'd need context; what's the quote from? Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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