pcgd Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Oh man that thing is obscene. Imagine a 200 foot tall cross made from shed materials. Even if I don't like it, I get that people want to tell everyone they're Christian, I just don't understand making it so ugly and obtrusive. Also, because its basically halfway between my mom and I, we occasionally meet there. There's actually a pretty decent restaurant near there (Firefly Grill) that makes you go…"Wait this is Effingham!?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 That restaurant has an extensive menu, but all I wanted was an Effingham sandwich. And some Effen Vodka. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 But it's the *crossroads*... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Now to keep the Rams, St. Louis citizens are going to have to build it themselves (Please note the source)http://www.theonion.com/article/st-louis-rams-threaten-leave-town-unless-taxpayers-51109?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default Quote Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Last sentence of that article is the best part. Even more so than the headline. 1 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Doctor Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Oh man that thing is obscene. Imagine a 200 foot tall cross made from shed materials. Even if I don't like it, I get that people want to tell everyone they're Christian, I just don't understand making it so ugly and obtrusive. Why imagine when one has google... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yep, pcgd called it. Back on topic, things just got interesting. Sam Farmer of the LA Times just reported that there won't be an owners' vote on the proposals. Apparently Spanos and Kroenke each have the nine votes necessary to kill the other proposal, so the NFL will "manage" the relocation process. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/17/report-nfl-to-manage-the-outcome-in-l-a/ Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yep, pcgd called it.Back on topic, things just got interesting. Sam Farmer of the LA Times just reported that there won't be an owners' vote on the proposals. Apparently Spanos and Kroenke each have the nine votes necessary to kill the other proposal, so the NFL will "manage" the relocation process.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/17/report-nfl-to-manage-the-outcome-in-l-a/Nothing quite like the corporate equivalent of a Mexican stand-off, is there?If Farmer's report's accurate, it's all over already - it'll be the Chargers and Rams, playing at Kroenke's site. Who'll own what are the details they'll work out during the next several months, but if both Spanos and Kroenke each can count on 9 "No" votes for a relocation plan that doesn't include them? The Raiders are screwed blue and tattooed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yep, pcgd called it.Back on topic, things just got interesting. Sam Farmer of the LA Times just reported that there won't be an owners' vote on the proposals. Apparently Spanos and Kroenke each have the nine votes necessary to kill the other proposal, so the NFL will "manage" the relocation process.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/17/report-nfl-to-manage-the-outcome-in-l-a/Nothing quite like the corporate equivalent of a Mexican stand-off, is there?If Farmer's report's accurate, it's all over already - it'll be the Chargers and Rams, playing at Kroenke's site. Who'll own what are the details they'll work out during the next several months, but if both Spanos and Kroenke each can count on 9 "No" votes for a relocation plan that doesn't include them? The Raiders are screwed blue and tattooed.San Antonio Raiders anyone?Because they sure as heck can't stay where they are, and Oakland isn't going to be helping them do anything except pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 There's always San Antonio Chargers/Rams in LA and the Raiders in San Antonio would be just fine with me. 1 Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I don't really think we're going to see the Chargers and Rams in LA. I'm not sure why, I just don't think so.But my tune has changed from a week ago or whenever that was. Not feeling very optimistic that the Rams stay in St. Louis.I still think it's the most logical thing in that it directly solves many issues, but where big money and big egos are involved, that may be completely irrelevant. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil G Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Maybe Rivers getting his contract means the Chargers aren't moving Quote Bruh check out my last.fm And my Rate Your Music Fantasy Teams: Seattle Spacemen (CFA) Signature credit to Silent Wind of Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I still hold the opinion that if the Chargers came to LA, they'd be miserably supported because they'll have move with the Rams or Raiders, two teams with existing and large fanbases here. Quote Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Maybe Rivers getting his contract means the Chargers aren't moving Yeah, not sure about that. They've been pretty clear to say he'll finish his career a Charger, not that he'll be finishing his career in San Diego.I still hold the opinion that if the Chargers came to LA, they'd be miserably supported because they'll have move with the Rams or Raiders, two teams with existing and large fanbases here.Take it for what it is, but some polling shows that LA fans are actually pretty fond of the Chargers overall. Second only to the Rams. The Raiders for all their fan bluster and visibility, are actually not that wanted in LA. Which shouldn't surprise anyone as that's their existing situation up in Oakland as well. The Raiders have visible and highly motivated fans, but there are far too few of them. You're either a die-hard, or you're not a Raider fan at all unlike normal teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I don't really think we're going to see the Chargers and Rams in LA. I'm not sure why, I just don't think so.It's an odd pairing, to be sure. Rams and Raiders is probably the strongest set. You'd have the establishment team in the Rams, with the long history. To contrast that, the Raiders would stand as the anti-establishment, rough and tumble team. How would the Chargers market themselves if they have to share the Rams' stadium? How do they build on whatever support they already have? "We're the AFC club" hardly seems notable. Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 On the plus side? You only need one set of peripheral signage I'm not sure about the Rams staying in St. Louis solving very many problems. If anything? It creates problems. Raiders/Rams? That works.Chargers/Rams? That works.Raiders/Chargers, which would happen if the Rams stay in St. Louis? That doesn't. It forces either the Raiders or Chargers to move to the NFC. Which is unacceptable for a multitude of reasons. Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I think everyone overthinks the marketability of these teams. I think we've seen enough case studies in sports and specifically in LA that if a team is successful it will find pretty strong support, and if it's not—especially if the other is—it will probably lack support.If both teams are successful then I suspect they'll do just fine drawing from the large LA area including (especially if the Chargers are involved) San Diego.On field results will largely dictate support after an initial honeymoon stage. Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'm not sure about the Rams staying in St. Louis solving very many problems. If anything? It creates problems.Raiders/Rams? That works.Chargers/Rams? That works.Raiders/Chargers, which would happen if the Rams stay in St. Louis? That doesn't. It forces either the Raiders or Chargers to move to the NFC. Which is unacceptable for a multitude of reasons.Well it's not JUST the Rams staying in St. Louis. It has to come with the Carson plan being picked of course. And it solves problems because it keeps two California teams in California with a sparkling new stadium and can still market to San Diego. It gets the Rams a new stadium (if they choose to work with it). If they care about keeping the STL market, it also of course does that, though I know there's debate here upon that.But any scenario that involves the Rams moving to LA, even if one of the other two joins them, still leaves a team without an acceptable (at this point) plan for a new stadium.While alignment may be a consideration, I think it is way, way, way, way down on the list of factors here. There's no gigantic and direct monetary aspect to that part of the situation. There is for new stadiums and market retaining/gaining.Many here, I think, believe that St. Louis market just isn't very valuable and that the San Diego market is significantly more so. I don't think I agree, but fair enough. But my stance on what is logical is based on solving each teams stadium drama with secondary attention to the losing the least amount of a market as possible. (Again, SD is still Southern California, at least.) Quote JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think the point you're ignoring is that San Diego's offered plan is just as good as St. Louis'. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Sam Farmer also tweeted out that his scenarios from April still hold up, FWIW:http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0408-nfl-stadium-scenarios-20150408-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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