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They can put a team in San Diego, a team in one of those foreign cities (most likely Mexico City) and still be able to use the other one as the city that every owner points to when they want a new stadium.

 

I don't disagree that the NFL is more focused on foreign markets now, but the LA Chargers have become a historic PR disaster. It would behoove them to change their plans in order to make things right.

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Expansion is not going to happen.  The league is perfectly balanced now, and none of the owners want to carve off another share.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Problem is they're not expanding in the US any time soon. The next expansion teams will be overseas more than likely. Mexico City and London will get teams before San Diego does. Especially when they still aren't sure about Jacksonville (who is likely next on the block once the Raiders are settled in Vegas). And the Chargers in LA can't be seen as a guarantee long term right now. I mean they're a tenant that no one seems to have any interest in so far. We'll see how it goes, but if they end up being a long term embarrassment the NFL won't let them sit in LA indefinitely like the NBA did the Clippers.

The Chargers are simply an excuse to use a very expensive stadium 10 more times a year. The NFL loved using San Diego for the Super Bowl until they deemed it 'too small' in an effort to nudge the city to building a new shrine to football. But, now that the new Inglewood stadium is being built, San Diego will never be in the rotation for a Super Bowl again.

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Baby Groot = Dean Spanos

Rocket Raccoon = Roger Goodell

Button = Los Angeles relocation clause

Star Lord = San Diego city government

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7 minutes ago, LMU said:

Baby Groot = Dean Spanos

Rocket Raccoon = Roger Goodell

Button = Los Angeles relocation clause

Star Lord = San Diego city government

 

I can only hit "like" once, but pretend I hit it ten times. Nothing epitomizes the whole thing more than this.

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28 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

Expansion is not going to happen.  The league is perfectly balanced now, and none of the owners want to carve off another share.

 

 

Expansion will absolutely happen again. At some point, the league's desire for the new revenue streams they believe they'll get from other countries will override all logic to the contrary.

 

Even with a San Diego expansion team, any owner with a brain would aggressively market it in Tijuana, thereby giving the NFL a foreign revenue stream.

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Two teams in LA and one in San Diego -- no matter how supposedly separate the markets are -- seems unsustainable to me.

 

I bet the NFL chooses new markets rather than old ones. And maybe it's my own provincialism, but I think a team would make more sense in Portland than adding another in Southern California.

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2 minutes ago, HedleyLamarr said:

If the NFL didn't want the Chargers to move from San Diego to Los Angeles...why did they give them that option?

 

A face-saving bone that they didn't want to seriously follow through with.

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Say in several years or so, if the Chargers struggle in LA and never can gain their footing, Spanos sells the team (their family wealth is mainly tied up in the Chargers, right?), and the person who buys them does so with the intent of moving them back to San Diego. Would there be much resistance? I know typically the NFL prefers relocation as a last resort, but would they still think in this situation? What about the fans? Would San Diego fans welcome the Chargers back with open arms? I'd imagine so, especially with the new owner. And what about the city? Since San Diego would still need a new stadium, would San Diego help pay for it to get the Chargers back? Or would it have to be privately financed, another sign of good faith and "repentance"? Would San Diego Chargers fans even consider this a win? New stadium, Spanos out, all in exchange of a decade (give or take) without a team?

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48 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

Two teams in LA and one in San Diego -- no matter how supposedly separate the markets are -- seems unsustainable to me.

 

I bet the NFL chooses new markets rather than old ones. And maybe it's my own provincialism, but I think a team would make more sense in Portland than adding another in Southern California.

From '82-'95 The Rams and Raiders were in LA and the Chargers were in San Diego and was pretty sustainable. Portland to me would be another Jacksonville. Yeah there would be interest the first few years but Portland is more of a college football town, much like Jacksonville, with both Oregon and Oregon St.

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But in 1995, the entertainment options/disposable income were far different. Even while there has been a population increase in SoCal, think about the following examples since 1995.

 

1. HD TV is in the home and the home experience is fantastic (if you choose to watch)

2. The LA Galaxy were yet to play a game.

3. Most homes didn't even have dial-up, less digital options like Netflix, Amazon Prime (Amazon.com was just a year old), or Hulu.

4. MMA was tabu.

5. Football didn't have a concussion/CTE problem.

6. USC was at the beginning of their really s#itty period.

7. The stadium experience is still not good for fantasy football players as mobile coverage/WiFi is generally bad to awful.

 

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22 minutes ago, rob4671 said:

From '82-'95 The Rams and Raiders were in LA and the Chargers were in San Diego and was pretty sustainable. Portland to me would be another Jacksonville. Yeah there would be interest the first few years but Portland is more of a college football town, much like Jacksonville, with both Oregon and Oregon St.

 

Was it sustainable though?  I don't remember football exactly thriving in LA.  I remember Jim Everett playing in front of a lot of empty seats - I'm vaguely remember them not even being able to sell out a playoff game against the Eagles in 89 or 90.

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1 hour ago, dfwabel said:

But in 1995, the entertainment options/disposable income were far different. Even while there has been a population increase in SoCal, think about the following examples since 1995.

 

1. HD TV is in the home and the home experience is fantastic (if you choose to watch)

2. The LA Galaxy were yet to play a game.

3. Most homes didn't even have dial-up, less digital options like Netflix, Amazon Prime, or Hulu.

4. MMA was tabu.

5. Football didn't have a concussion/CTE problem.

6. USC was at the beginning of their really s#itty period.

7. The stadium experience is still not good for fantasy football players as mobile coverage/WiFi is generally bad to awful.

 


I was thinking the same thing. It was probably easier to be The Team when there was much less competition for your attention. The world has changed significantly in 20 years.

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1 hour ago, rob4671 said:

From '82-'95 The Rams and Raiders were in LA and the Chargers were in San Diego and was pretty sustainable. Portland to me would be another Jacksonville. Yeah there would be interest the first few years but Portland is more of a college football town, much like Jacksonville, with both Oregon and Oregon St.

 

The L.A. Raiders had pretty crappy attendance, even though the Coliseum was too big and they weren't able to tarp off seats (or enough of them). They were as much an unsolicited imposition on Los Angeles as the Chargers are now, except they won and looked cool, but I don't think they ever truly fit in.

 

5 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

Heheheheheh hahahaha HAHAHAHAHA

 

This keeps getting better and better.

 

NFL is reportedly upset with Chargers, wants them to move back to San Diego

 

 

Would you be at all surprised if they moved back for 2019? 2018, even? There hasn't been this much widespread hostility toward a relocation since the Supersonics moved, but at least the Supersonics were welcomed in their new home and Stern was obviously fine enough with it. This is just the wettest, sloppiest fart in church.

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18 minutes ago, DG_Now said:


I was thinking the same thing. It was probably easier to be The Team when there was much less competition for your attention. The world has changed significantly in 20 years.

Most importantly, Millenials really don't watch the NFL like previous generations.

http://onlinemasters.ohio.edu/millennials-and-the-nfl-infographic/

 

Note: NFL isn't alone. College ADs and NBA Commissioner Adam Silver both are concerned about length of games as it relates to Millenials attending live.

Edited by dfwabel
added other league's concerns

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17 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

The L.A. Raiders had pretty crappy attendance, even though the Coliseum was too big and they weren't able to tarp off seats (or enough of them). They were as much an unsolicited imposition on Los Angeles as the Chargers are now, except they won and looked cool, but I don't think they ever truly fit in.

 

 

Would you be at all surprised if they moved back for 2019? 2018, even? There hasn't been this much widespread hostility toward a relocation since the Supersonics moved, but at least the Supersonics were welcomed in their new home and Stern was obviously fine enough with it. This is just the wettest, sloppiest fart in church.

 

*crosses fingers*

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2 hours ago, the admiral said:

Would you be at all surprised if they moved back for 2019? 2018, even?

Not happening as long as the Spanos family owns the team.

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On one hand, yeah I get where the NFL is coming from. This move is a disaster on every level. 

 

On the othee hand...they gave Dean the option. Even if it was only meant as a face-saving option that they hoped wouldn't be exercised. They were trusting Dean Spanos with a decision.

And as I've said before...Dean will always make the worst decision in any given circumstance. 

 

If they didn't want another team in LA sharing the city with the Rams? They should have just told Dean to kick dirt. 

Hell...Mark :censored: ing Davis came out of that meeting with next to nothing and he's poised to get over $700 million in public funds for a new stadium in Las Vegas. Dean couldn't even mend bridges with the city his team had played in for over fifty years.

 

Congrats Dean. You got outplayed by Mark Davis. And everyone hates you. More than usual.

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