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13 minutes ago, Wings said:

Looking forward to when Bettman announces the double relocation of the Coyotes & Knights. Oh wait it's the NHL, so probably not. Love how some of the news outlets are discussing how the Raiders are the first major pro sports team coming to Vegas totally ignoring or forgetting about the Golden Knights. 

Well that's just awful news reporting

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38 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

If there's anything good to come from this, it's that the Raiders moving to Vegas is basically an instant death knell for the Color Knights, before they even play their first game! 

If you put Quebec aside (my hunch is the NHL has told Quebec that they're in line if the Coyotes or Hurricanes can't resolve their current ownership issues, or expansion down the road), why is there a want to see the Golden Knights fail?

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This feels like both the death of the Raiders as we've known them & the birth of a new Raiders, which alas takes sheen of the franchise, the brand for me.  Naturally, for a team so deep in being a brand, that's a blow in my opinion.

 

I realized this will be their first ever new football stadium from scratch since the Coliseum, which of course was a shared plan for both them & the A's.  That makes this seem like an expansion team or a rebirth of sorts into an entirely new entity.  

 

I'll have fun & go on the record here - I'd bet we haven't seen the last relocation for this circus of a franchise.  2030 Portland Raiders?  London?  Hawaii??

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1 hour ago, HedleyLamarr said:

If you put Quebec aside (my hunch is the NHL has told Quebec that they're in line if the Coyotes or Hurricanes can't resolve their current ownership issues, or expansion down the road), why is there a want to see the Golden Knights fail?

 

For me, it's several different motivations. 

 

First off, I've seen up close and personal the true cost of a city having to prop up a franchise that downright hemorrhages money. The way the Coyotes have bent over the state of Arizona and Maricopa County (as well as the way they've bent themselves over) is just despicable. It's a bummer your city lost your hockey team, and I know the situations were a bit different, but you should consider yourself lucky that the Thrashers bailed too early rather than too late. It's WAY worse having to deal with the backlash of supporting a team like the Coyotes than it is losing them. And if there's one city who's likely to screw over their residents even worse than Phoenix/Glendale has, it's Vegas. Which leads me to my next point:

 

Growing up in the state of Nevada, I've seen the state absolutely screw over the residents of their state in order to support Las Vegas. Nevada is one of the most under funded states as it is, and they're basically on the very bottom of the list when it comes to public health and education. Now they're tossing public money, which they don't have and which all residents of the state are going to end up paying for one way or another, at TWO different teams (Because the Knights will get some sort of a public bailout if they haven't already. The way these things go it's basically inevitable.). As a Northern Nevadan, who won't even get the benefit of being able to attend games, that absolutely does NOT sit well with me. Why the hell should we pay for Vegas' toys? 

 

That and screw Vegas. I HATE Vegas. It's excessive, wasteful, casino culture sucks, and it's smack dab in the middle of the desert. It's essentially the opposite of everything I enjoy. 

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8 minutes ago, 2001mark said:

I'll have fun & go on the record here - I'd bet we haven't seen the last relocation for this circus of a franchise.

The State of Nevada is giving them close to a billion dollars in public funds to build a new football palace. They're staying there. It's gross and disgusting, but it's for the long-term.

 

That being said, I do think we're not out of the woods regarding NFL relocation just yet. The Chargers can't stay in LA long term, can they? They're in a city that, at best, seems ambivalent about their existence. And their long-term stadium prospects involve being a tenant in the Rams' building. That can't be tenable long-term. Right?

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Just now, Ice_Cap said:

The State of Nevada is giving them close to a billion dollars in public funds to build a new football palace. They're staying there. It's gross and disgusting, but it's for the long-term.

Yeah, I just mean in my lifetime, it's who they are.

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3 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

The State of Nevada is giving them close to a billion dollars in public funds to build a new football palace. They're staying there. It's gross and disgusting, but it's for the long-term.

 

That being said, I do think we're not out of the woods regarding NFL relocation just yet. The Chargers can't stay in LA long term, can they? They're in a city that, at best, seems ambivalent about their existence. And their long-term stadium prospects involve being a tenant in the Rams' building. That can't be tenable long-term. Right?

 

How long is their lease?

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17 minutes ago, nickp91 said:

 Las Vegas is going to be perfect for the NFL. That stadium will bring the Super Bowl, Final Four,  maybe a soccer team?

 

Lots of events:

-Raiders football

-Super Bowl

-UNLV football

-Las Vegas Bowl

-CFB Payoff Championship Game

-Possible MLS club?

-FIFA World Cup?

-Wrestlemania

 

 

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28 minutes ago, nickp91 said:

 Las Vegas is going to be perfect for the NFL. That stadium will bring the Super Bowl, Final Four,  maybe a soccer team?

MLS looks for soccer-specific stadiums these days. A NFL stadium in Las Vegas won't entice them. 

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

That and screw Vegas. I HATE Vegas. It's excessive, wasteful, casino culture sucks, and it's smack dab in the middle of the desert. It's essentially the opposite of everything I enjoy. 

 

Well said. It's a place I wish extremely ill.

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2 hours ago, HedleyLamarr said:

If you put Quebec aside (my hunch is the NHL has told Quebec that they're in line if the Coyotes or Hurricanes can't resolve their current ownership issues, or expansion down the road), why is there a want to see the Golden Knights fail?

 

Take a look at their owner, the botched rollout and the lies he's already told about their logo.

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25 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

MLS looks for soccer-specific stadiums these days. A NFL stadium in Las Vegas won't entice them. 

Unless an NFL team owns an MLS club (Atlanta, Seattle & New England). I doubt Davis gives a crap about soccer. Don't see him buying his way into MLS.

 

I do think the proposed Raiders stadium could/would host some international soccer matches though.

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44 minutes ago, nickp91 said:

 Las Vegas is going to be perfect for the NFL. That stadium will bring the Super Bowl, Final Four,  maybe a soccer team?

NCAA doesn't host championship events in Nevada and last year's proposal by the MWC to do so never made it to full membership for a vote.

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