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13 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Probably because Vegas was in the advanced stages at that point and the Raiders has long exhausted all options in Oakland. Spanos hadn’t really done anything in SD and had no other prospects if SD didn’t materialize.

I agree that, at the moment that the NFL let Stan Kroenke reverse the Rams' 1995 relocation and build a new home for that team in Inglewood, the Spanos family had at least seemed to have put much less effort into securing a better stadium for the Chargers -- in the San Diego market or anywhere else -- than the Davis family had done with regard to giving the Raiders a better stadium in Oakland.  However, I do not remember the Davis family and the Raiders delving into genuinely serious discussions and negotiations with business leaders and public officials in the Las Vegas area until after the league allowed the Rams' return to the Los Angeles area and endowed the Chargers with the upper hand over the Raiders in being able to enter that market.  This is at least one reason why I suspect that Roger Goodell and the owners of most of the teams across the NFL shared a strong fear of a repeat of all that went wrong with the Raiders during their thirteen seasons in L.A. and thus gave the Chargers an earlier and easier chance to be the league's new second team in the L.A. market.

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Maybe. 

 

But you can’t discount how chummy the old boys’ club is with the Spanos family.  If somebody is to reap the benefits of LA, why shouldn’t it be somebody they like, “one of them”?

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3 hours ago, Gothamite said:

If somebody is to reap the benefits of LA

 

3 hours ago, Gothamite said:

Spanos

Well that worked out swimmingly :P

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A lot of chatter locally, perhaps because the team is 0-6 and that type of performance tends to bring up a lot of doom and gloom, is what the Bengals are going to do in 2026 when the lease at Paul Brown Stadium expires. It's early and I'm already dreading the local politics, the team coming to the city and saying "we need at least X number of dollars for upgrades or a new stadium" and people telling them to f*** off. If the team still hasn't improved by then I'll be the first to tell them to kick rocks. 


This presupposes a few things like will Mike Brown be alive by then? Will his daughter be as difficult as he is? Will the team still be as miserable on the field by then? Where could they even move to at this point? 

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The whole Mike Brown situation is just weird to me. He rarely gives interviews and is rarely seen by the public. (So much so last week at Baltimore CBS showed the wrong guy, and when they did show the right guy he looked like he was taking a power nap). He has done little to nothing for the team since he took over from his father Paul in 1991. Even though Marvin Lewis finally got us back to winning and into the playoffs for a while, I consider his tenure to be a failure never winning any of those playoff games. Almost everyone in town has given up on the Bengals until Mike is gone. Some ticketholders (even longtime) have given up, and some switched to FC Cincinnati. We are 31st in attendance. The only reason we are not 32 is because of the Chargers playing in a soccer stadium seating under 30,000 and even then most of the fans there are from the visiting team. If Mike or his daughter or whoever in his family takes over when he is gone sells the team I might give them another shot, otherwise if the team relocates after their lease is up I wouldnt be sad at all. The Reds ownership isnt that much better. FC Cincinnati has been a breathe of fresh air for the city and actually has ownership that cares not only for its team but for their fans as well.

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2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

A lot of chatter locally, perhaps because the team is 0-6 and that type of performance tends to bring up a lot of doom and gloom, is what the Bengals are going to do in 2026 when the lease at Paul Brown Stadium expires. It's early and I'm already dreading the local politics, the team coming to the city and saying "we need at least X number of dollars for upgrades or a new stadium" and people telling them to f*** off. If the team still hasn't improved by then I'll be the first to tell them to kick rocks. 


This presupposes a few things like will Mike Brown be alive by then? Will his daughter be as difficult as he is? Will the team still be as miserable on the field by then? Where could they even move to at this point? 

 

When Brown passes away, is Katie Blackburn even going to keep the team?  Is she going to be like the children of Ralph Wilson and sell the team? Or is she going to be like Amy Strunk of the Titans and keep the team and pass it on to her children in the future?

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Just now, GDAWG said:

 

When Brown passes away, is Katie Blackburn even going to keep the team?  Is she going to be like the children of Ralph Wilson and sell the team? Or is she going to be like Amy Strunk of the Titans and keep the team and pass it on to her children in the future?

 

That's the wildcard and that's why everyone's waiting for the old man to pass away. She and her nitwit husband have basically had the majority of the power over the team for the last 3 or 4 years already, but it remains to be seen though how much her father is holding her back and if this becomes a Wirtz Blackhawks situation where the old man was the problem and the kid is more savvy or if she's the same stubborn, stupid manager as her dad. Much more likely that she continues to cut corners and run things as the same shoestring "9-7 is the goal" operation they've been running since Paul died, but the unknown is more hopeful than the known at this point. 

 

As for selling the team, I don't see it. This is their family business and their cash cow. If they sell that's a one-time payout. Granted, they'd get a billion dollars and be good for genarations, but that's not how these people think. 

 

I do know when Mikey boy croaks it'll be awkward. The guy's going to die and people are going to celebrate. When Dan Rooney passed away people in Pittsburgh, actual adults, cried actual tears. When Mike Brown passes away people are going to line up to spit on his grave. 

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2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

A lot of chatter locally, perhaps because the team is 0-6 and that type of performance tends to bring up a lot of doom and gloom, is what the Bengals are going to do in 2026 when the lease at Paul Brown Stadium expires. It's early and I'm already dreading the local politics, the team coming to the city and saying "we need at least X number of dollars for upgrades or a new stadium" and people telling them to f*** off. If the team still hasn't improved by then I'll be the first to tell them to kick rocks. 


This presupposes a few things like will Mike Brown be alive by then? Will his daughter be as difficult as he is? Will the team still be as miserable on the field by then? Where could they even move to at this point? 

 

The Sacramento Bengals.

 

 

We'll even have a soccer stadium for them to play in, too! 

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3 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

 

That's the wildcard and that's why everyone's waiting for the old man to pass away. She and her nitwit husband have basically had the majority of the power over the team for the last 3 or 4 years already, but it remains to be seen though how much her father is holding her back and if this becomes a Wirtz Blackhawks situation where the old man was the problem and the kid is more savvy or if she's the same stubborn, stupid manager as her dad. Much more likely that she continues to cut corners and run things as the same shoestring "9-7 is the goal" operation they've been running since Paul died, but the unknown is more hopeful than the known at this point. 

 

As for selling the team, I don't see it. This is their family business and their cash cow. If they sell that's a one-time payout. Granted, they'd get a billion dollars and be good for genarations, but that's not how these people think. 

 

I do know when Mikey boy croaks it'll be awkward. The guy's going to die and people are going to celebrate. When Dan Rooney passed away people in Pittsburgh, actual adults, cried actual tears. When Mike Brown passes away people are going to line up to spit on his grave. 

 

I know when Dallas Mavericks founder Don Carter passed, people cried.  Sure, the Mavericks sucked for most of his ownership, but he was credited for bringing an NBA team to Dallas and was even allowed to hold the Larry O'Brien Trophy in 2011 and got an NBA Championship ring as minority owner. 

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29 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

I do know when Mikey boy croaks it'll be awkward. The guy's going to die and people are going to celebrate. When Dan Rooney passed away people in Pittsburgh, actual adults, cried actual tears. When Mike Brown passes away people are going to line up to spit on his grave. 

 

How did folks in Cincinnati react when Marge Schott kicked the bucket? 

 

When Vince Naimoli died earlier this year, I think the news would have gotten a mixed reaction from fans. Yeah, he got you the team, but he also ran it pretty horribly and maybe prevented the market from ever being a success. His lease agreement does prevent the team from relocating right now, so there's that.

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45 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

How did folks in Cincinnati react when Marge Schott kicked the bucket? 

 

When Vince Naimoli died earlier this year, I think the news would have gotten a mixed reaction from fans. Yeah, he got you the team, but he also ran it pretty horribly and maybe prevented the market from ever being a success. His lease agreement does prevent the team from relocating right now, so there's that.

 

People were generally pleased because she was a literal monster, but she was different because despite being overwhelmingly loathed and an idiot she both owned the team when they won a championship and sold the team before she died so her reign of terror wasn’t so terrible. 

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

The Sacramento Bengals.

 

 

We'll even have a soccer stadium for them to play in, too! 

No, No! Sacramento already lost a chance at the Raiders in the 90s. That was your only shot. No more chances.

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

How did folks in Cincinnati react when Marge Schott kicked the bucket? 

 

When Vince Naimoli died earlier this year, I think the news would have gotten a mixed reaction from fans. Yeah, he got you the team, but he also ran it pretty horribly and maybe prevented the market from ever being a success. His lease agreement does prevent the team from relocating right now, so there's that.

His death led the evening local news and the top of the fold for the Tampa Bay Times, but it was somewhat of a "meh" reaction since there are fewer people around/alive in the area who remember his ownership, less his attempts to even get a franchise.  85% of those in media, especially radio/TV where not living in Tampa Bay at the time

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On 10/17/2019 at 3:50 PM, Bucfan56 said:

 

The Sacramento Bengals.

 

 

We'll even have a soccer stadium for them to play in, too! 

In all seriousness, Sacramento might not be the only possibility in California for the Bengals.  I have read multiple reports that state that the 35,000-seat football stadium that San Diego State University wants to build on the site of the Chargers' former stadium would be able to be expanded to 50,000 seats to accommodate an NFL tenant (although, unfortunately for the San Diego area, such a capacity would be at least 20,000 too few seats to make the venue eligible to host a Super Bowl under current NFL criteria).

 

The thought of the Bengals moving to San Diego before the Chargers could return there is hilarious to me.  I am already picturing fans of a San Diego Bengals team attending a game being played against a still-Los Angeles Chargers franchise and chanting "Who are the Bungles now?"

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3 hours ago, McCarthy said:

 

People were generally pleased because she was a literal monster, but she was different because despite being overwhelmingly loathed and an idiot she both owned the team when they won a championship and sold the team before she died so her reign of terror wasn’t so terrible. 

Marge Schott was a fascinating character. She cut operating costs to the bone because as an old-line working-class Cincinnatian she believed a family of four should be able to go to the games and not have to pay $10 for a measly hot dog. She was also a Nazi. The duality of man.

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Her St. Bernard was cute

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5 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

In all seriousness, Sacramento might not be the only possibility in California for the Bengals.  I have read multiple reports that state that the 35,000-or-so-seat football stadium that San Diego State University wants to build on the site of the Chargers' former stadium would be able to be expanded to 50,000 seats to accommodate an NFL tenant (although, unfortunately for the San Diego area, such a capacity would be at at least 20,000 too few seats to make the venue eligible to host a Super Bowl under current NFL criteria).

 

The thought of the Bengals moving to San Diego before the Chargers could return there is hilarious to me.  I am already picturing fans of a San Diego Bengals team attending a game being played against a still-Los Angeles Chargers franchise and chanting "Who are the Bungles now?"

 

They should build the stadium next to the San Diego Zoo. 

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16 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

They should build the stadium next to the San Diego Zoo. 

San Diego needs to first replace the San Diego Sports Arena/iPay One Center/Valley View.

It was nearly iconic circa 2002-03

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19 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Well that worked out swimmingly :P

 

Well, rich white heirs fumbling away their silver platter is a tale as old as time.  :D 

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18 hours ago, the admiral said:

Marge Schott was a fascinating character. She cut operating costs to the bone because as an old-line working-class Cincinnatian she believed a family of four should be able to go to the games and not have to pay $10 for a measly hot dog. She was also a Nazi. The duality of man.

 

She's really weird. On top of that, at one point, I think it was 1995, the Cincinnati Reds had the third highest payroll in major league baseball. Imagine that now. Same person who wrote those checks was livid the team won the 1990 World Series in a sweep because she didn't get the revenue from the extra games.

 

My dad worked for WLW in Cincinnati and dealt with her directly every season. His words, "Even ignoring the racism, she's the worst human being I've ever met. She was both mean and stupid. If she was mean and smart you could've dealt with her on an intellectual level. If she was nice and stupid you could've dealt with her on a personal level. She left millions of dollars on the table through sheer idiocy and pissing off local advertisers. If there's a hell I know she's in it."

 

17 hours ago, Wings said:

Her St. Bernard was cute

 

I always felt bad for that dog. Had to go to loud baseball games and :censored: on astroturf. Couldn't get him a nice patch of actual grass. 

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