Gothamite Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 if there are doubts about the L.A. fanbase supporting (or caring about having) one teamI'm not sure that there are.The only justification I've heard for any doubts is 1995. But not only was that nearly 20 years ago, in a very different sporting culture, but even losing those two teams wasn't necessarily a reflection on the fanbase. It was more about stadium deals than anything else; one team moved because they found a city willing to satify the whims of a monomaniacal, contrarian owner. The other team moved to Oakland. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Not so much 1995 in my mind, but a general indifference on whether or not they have the NFL. It's been so long that it's like the NFL doesn't really care other than getting what it needs to by using that market as leverage, and there certainly have been stories (or perhaps just columns, I'll have to see what I can dig up) that suggest L.A. football fans like it how it is.Now all that said, there's little doubt in my mind that one L.A. team should be an unquestioned success. And leaving it at one would only help it be that. My question is whether two in the same stadium really makes sense for that market after all this time.At any rate, watching the Vikings' process and seeing the Rams' bid makes me think L.A. is being used for a while more while they get what they can out of existing cities. San Diego and Oakland are barely in the conversation right now and you'd think their situations -- or at least their stadiums -- are more dire. I find the whole thing interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 There are some legitimate concerns about LA as a market. The early-mid 90s wasn't the only time they struggled with fan support. And it's certainly not the only team we've seen pro sports in LA struggle with fan support. There are reasons for it in a lot of case (bad owners, awful teams, etc.), but those are typically seen as "reasons" for that market and "excuses" for other markets.Bottom line is that LA is super enticing because of its size as a media market. But that size is not a guarantee of a successful franchise/fan base. The other legitimate wonder is how much more money a team in LA really stands to bring in. One for the owner, two for the league.Addressing the first, I'm not sure an owner really does stand to bring in that much money. There's a reason a small market team like Green Bay can be so profitable and successful. The revenue sharing and national TV contracts make the local market a lot less important to success. You need fans to buy merchandise and to sell your games out. And I'm sure there's money to be made from advertisers and such. But I'm not sure it's the jackpot many assume it to be to the individual owner. Bear in mind that in order to get to the market, it's probable that an owner will have to pay hundreds of million in relocation fees, sell a sizable stake of the team at what would probably be less than market value, and pay millions in rent. Whatever extra money LA is worth, isn't likely to be made back all that quickly.Now, as far as the league goes, I could see where it might be better. I think LA probably already watching the NFL at a decent clip, but I could see where you'd anticipate those numbers rising with a local squad. And in that case, you can get better TV contracts which would be shared amongst the league.But again, to the individual owner, I'm not sure it's actually a cash cow. And because the second need could be met by a single team, I'm not sure a second owner would be all that interested in paying those expenses to get there.LA should be a successful market, but I think there's more questions about it (including the process of moving there) than people typically assume. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac12 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 There's a blog chronically the work of the A's trying to get a new ballpark that has a picture of the comparison between the old vs. new Edward Jones Dome (sorry for the small size):Damn. My jaw is in the soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 There's a blog chronically the work of the A's trying to get a new ballpark that has a picture of the comparison between the old vs. new Edward Jones Dome (sorry for the small size):Damn. My jaw is in the soil.Can you link a bigger version? I'm curious but too small for me to see what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac12 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 There's a blog chronically the work of the A's trying to get a new ballpark that has a picture of the comparison between the old vs. new Edward Jones Dome (sorry for the small size):Damn. My jaw is in the soil.Can you link a bigger version? I'm curious but too small for me to see what is going on.Thankfully, Flickr has a bigger version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonBlue Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So the first row of the upper terrace section on the east side of the new dome will be as high as the last row of the current stadium. Wow. I think a reasonable middle ground is to expand the east side of the building and then rebuild that side with all the suites and club seats, a la Ford Field. Then get a new fixed roof and windows and the center-hung scoreboard and you got a decent stadium. "I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be." -Peter Gibbons RIP Demitra #38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJourney Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 PDF format of the complete plan. Pretty intense. Hope it happens for St. Louis Rams fans.http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/e1/de126306-9de3-11e1-8abf-001a4bcf6878/4fb136ae537b9.pdf.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 As far as the 8-states claim goes, Kevin Demoff responded to my question about it.MO, Illinois, Indiana, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, Iowa, and Kentucky...some we sneak in just over state line but we count it!So there you go. But in any case, it's expanded from the year prior. It's new coverage that wasn't there before. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm surprised they got into Kansas without the Chiefs getting cranky. I'm guessing Joplin stations hit Kansas? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm surprised they got into Kansas without the Chiefs getting cranky. I'm guessing Joplin stations hit Kansas?Maybe a bit. Although Joplin would likely hit as much Oklahoma as Kansas. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Khan is investing more in to Jacksonville. Working on "resizing" everbank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Khan is investing more in to Jacksonville. Working on "resizing" everbank. Well I think we all knew they weren't going to be the LA team when the lease details and their near impossibility to break were made public. This just cements it further. And with the Niners now out, Vikings out, and Bills not in until Ralph Wilson kicks it that leaves us with the Rams, Chargers and Raiders. Ironically all three are the teams who've played in LA before. One has about a year worth of wheeling, dealing, and mediation ahead of them in St. Louis, one's stadium plan is stalled until after the next mayoral election in San Diego, and one has pretty much nothing going on besides claiming they'd like to stay in Oakland/Dublin/Santa Clara or LA (depending on when you ask them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Is this really Earth-shattering news?They're looking for a way to lower the seating capacity of their stadium that doesn't involve tarps. And?One more note on the Rams, though; mediation is scheduled through the end of this year. So they have about six months of negotiations, not a year. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Is this really Earth-shattering news?They're looking for a way to lower the seating capacity of their stadium that doesn't involve tarps. And?Of course you don't. That is why you have been wrong about everything with the Jags. Just like this whole process. You dont get it. If Khan had it in his mind to bolt he damn sure wouldn't worry about sinking money in to the stadium to fix something like this. I have never seen so one so involved in a thread and not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 You insist on making this about me.Please stop. I'm very flattered, but I'm also very married. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Is this really Earth-shattering news?They're looking for a way to lower the seating capacity of their stadium that doesn't involve tarps. And?Of course you don't. That is why you have been wrong about everything with the Jags. Just like this whole process. You dont get it. If Khan had it in his mind to bolt he damn sure wouldn't worry about sinking money in to the stadium to fix something like this. I have never seen so one so involved in a thread and not get it.Like myself, Khan is a Illinois grad. That said with this news, if you read his quote from February, Khan is already an "underachiever".â– You received some criticism for saying true fans are season-ticket holders. Do you have regrets for saying that?KHAN (chuckling): That comment, kind of humorous, got a laugh [but] was really a tribute to the season fan holders. It is a learning experience to me that maybe it doesn?t translate to Twitter.â– Are you planning new marketing and sales initiatives?KHAN: All of the above. Some of the upper bowl, we have reduced prices. One of the strategic issues with the Jaguars is it is a young team. We don?t have the second-, third-, fourth-generation fans. ?I went to a game with my grandfather, and we walked through two feet of snow,? ? and things like that. You don?t have any of those connections. This year ? if you bring a child to the game, those tickets are half price. In certain sections we are doing that ? to really develop the next generation. â– Will ticket prices rise or fall?KHAN: They will come down a little bit.â– Has the league been helpful?KHAN: The league is very helpful. They have benchmarking data, [a] tremendous amount. The sharing among the teams has really amazed me and impressed me. ? You saw how the owners, how helpful, how welcoming, how cordial they have been. They are not going to help you for the three hours, nine minutes of the game, but the other 365 days they couldn?t be more helpful. Everyone in the league ? has the mind-set that what is good for Jacksonville will eventually be good for them. â– Will the Jaguars continue to need supplemental revenue sharing?KHAN: We are not eligible. I think you are absolutely right that concept is gone. ? Pretty much we have to eat what we kill, and I think that is the right approach. â– Have you had any committee appointments?KHAN: No. I have talked to [Commissioner Goodell] and have expressed [interest]. But the most important thing is to contribute. For me at this stage in life, I want to contribute to the league, want to contribute to the Jaguars. ? I don?t want be on a committee to be on a committee. ? I have gone to some committee meetings as an observer to see what they do. â– You expressed some interest about expanding the Jaguars? brand overseas. Could you explain?KHAN: Got to go to the lower-hanging fruit. London: There is an ex-pat population; they understand the sport and [have] an interest. Canada would be another one. Germany is another one. People don?t realize how many football fans, NFL fans, are in Germany. Spain is another one; Barcelona is a very sports-centric city. ? Especially for teams like Jacksonville, it provides a showcase.â– Do you hope to get rid of the tarps that cover some of the stadium seats? (The team covers the seats because it cannot sell them.)KHAN: Absolutely. To me, every day I look at the tarps it is like underachieving, and I can?t wait to be able to do that.â– Do you have plans for the marketing staff? KHAN: I am currently looking at that. I don?t know. ? You have to have things that are prioritized. We had to get a coaching staff. To me, what is important is really some of the basic needs. I listened to the players and what some of their wants are, like a state-of-the-art locker room, and we are going to do that ? although, I have been to other locker rooms, and ours is probably middle-of-the-road, but we are making commitments to a lot of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Is this really Earth-shattering news?They're looking for a way to lower the seating capacity of their stadium that doesn't involve tarps. And?One more note on the Rams, though; mediation is scheduled through the end of this year. So they have about six months of negotiations, not a year.They have six months of negotiations to extend the current lease of the current building.Should those be unsuccessful, they then have 2-3 years of negotiations to see if another plan can be agreed upon. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Is this really Earth-shattering news?They're looking for a way to lower the seating capacity of their stadium that doesn't involve tarps. And?One more note on the Rams, though; mediation is scheduled through the end of this year. So they have about six months of negotiations, not a year.They have six months of negotiations to extend the current lease of the current building.Should those be unsuccessful, they then have 2-3 years of negotiations to see if another plan can be agreed upon.Let's say that, with arbitration scheduled to end December of this year, and the arbiter's decision expected to be released sometime in early 2013, the CVC is unable or unwilling to pay for the arbiter's plan. Let's further stipulate that the Rams do not attempt to buy out the remaining two years on the lease. The Rams could be forced to play at most two lame-duck seasons in Missouri.If that happens, (and let's call it a big "if"), what makes you think that the Rams would negotiate again for 2-3 hours, much less "2-3 years"? They'd already have broken St. Louis, and no better deal could possibly emerge. Why should we believe that St. Louis will somehow up an offer that they couldn't afford in the first place?If no agreement emerges from the arbitration process, they're gone. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Perhaps, although the NFL seems to be in no hurry to get to L.A. The Vikings didn't (and still don't?) even have a lease at the Metrodome. I think it's a game of musical chairs. Anyone left without a stadium goes to L.A. Welcome back, Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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