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Wouldn't a simple solution be for the NFL to just provide standardized game-balls that are out of the hands of either team?

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Didn't read the whole thread...

Wouldn't a simple solution be for the NFL to just provide standardized game-balls that are out of the hands of either team?

Prior to this, that's what I figured the NFL did.

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Didn't read the whole thread...

Wouldn't a simple solution be for the NFL to just provide standardized game-balls that are out of the hands of either team?

Should have been that way the entire time. I mean baseball provides the balls for both teams and they're identical. Basketball checks all balls prior to introduction and both teams use the same ball. Same for the NHL and pucks. Why has the NFL allowed teams to use different balls the whole time. Should be one identical ball for both teams for everything going both ways.

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Didn't read the whole thread...

Wouldn't a simple solution be for the NFL to just provide standardized game-balls that are out of the hands of either team?

That would make too much sense. It's much smarter for the league to give teams the balls but tell teams not to alter them at all.

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This shows how much the $11 BILLION corporation NFL thinks of the "integrity" of the game: Allow low paid employees of a team to manipulate game balls, therefore ruining the "integrity." Goes to evidence that the NFL doesn't care much of the micro, just the macro - you know, how they are perceived.

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EDIT: After reading more of the Wells report, I found my comment was incorrect.

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

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That sound you hear is the hot air being released from ESPN and the other pundit's that were calling for Brady's head...

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

s7yn7DR.jpg

That sound you hear is the hot air being released from ESPN and the other pundit's that were calling for Brady's head...

Don't think anyone was disputing the balls being within the legal limits at the time the refs checked them pre-game.

The issue is the 90-100 seconds that elapsed when the ball-boy took the measured footballs into the bathroom (and it takes mere seconds to slightly deflate a ball, especially a person that knows exactly what they're doing)....the point that only one team's balls had lost a significant amount of air despite both teams being exposed to the same weather elements...and the mentioning that the head official, for the first time in his 18 years(?), was having difficulty locating the Patriots' balls, not to mention the Patriots ball boys breaking normal protocol for handling of the balls on game day.

Is it possible Brady doesn't know anything about it? Sure, but highly unlikely. Seeing as how he's the one that needs to handle these balls 60-80 times a game, and with this being the game to reach the Super Bowl for what might be his last best chance of making it...highly doubt these two go renegade and throw Brady a curveball minutes before the AFC title game.

If Brady's innocent and has nothing to hide, how come he's refusing to fully cooperate with the investigation?

Thankfully, the NFL doesn't adhere to the "innocent til proven guilty" adage the courts use. If Goodell had a set, he and the NFL are talking to Brady and Kraft. Roger starts off by telling Brady "You're starting off with a 1-game suspension and $100,000 fine." and Kraft "Your fine begins with $1 million, a lost draft pick, and you forfeit your share of league revenues by a week.", and tells them "These punishments increase by these same values each time you fail to cooperate/confess/explain."

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

s7yn7DR.jpg

That sound you hear is the hot air being released from ESPN and the other pundit's that were calling for Brady's head...

If Brady's innocent and has nothing to hide, how come he's refusing to fully cooperate with the investigation?

Thankfully, the NFL doesn't adhere to the "innocent til proven guilty" adage the courts use. If Goodell had a set, he and the NFL are talking to Brady and Kraft. Roger starts off by telling Brady "You're starting off with a 1-game suspension and $100,000 fine." and Kraft "Your fine begins with $1 million, a lost draft pick, and you forfeit your share of league revenues by a week.", and tells them "These punishments increase by these same values each time you fail to cooperate/confess/explain."

I don't think non-cooperation from Brady should be held against him, he has that right.

Why should Brady start out with a 1-game suspension and a $100,000 fine? The only previous cheating incident with the Patriots had nothing to do with Brady, and there is absolutely no proof that Brady ordered balls to be deflated under legal limits. Sure, the report says that it is more probable than not that Brady knew something, and he should therefore receive a fine. However, this would be a first offense for him, and there is evidence(the above paragraph) that says that it would not have been a longstanding cheating issue.

Why should Kraft receive a fine of $1 million, a lost draft pick, and a forfeiture of league revenue? Kraft was not only would this also be Kraft's first offense, he was exonerated in the report. Even if Brady orchestrated the whole thing, there is still literally zero evidence that Kraft had anything to do with this. Also, a lost draft pick would occur over a full year after the incident actually occurred.

Finally, you said that the punishments should increase until the Pats confess. What if the Pats didn't do it? Then they'd be continually punished in increasing amounts for something they didn't do. The organization should not be punished for doing something that either didn't happen or was done secretly by 3 people within the organization. Not only that, but the transgression is minor at worst, and it can easily be explained by forces outside of the Patriots control. The testing at halftime was the first time that had happened in NFL history, so there is nothing to compare it to. We simply do not know how the readings taken at the AFC Championship compare to what readings would be at other games. Finally, the entire thing could plausibly be explained by weather. The only source that has denied that weather could have had an effect is the same place that found that second-hand smoke can't cause cancer! Give Brady a small fine and get on to the season. If it weren't the Patriots in the cross hairs, this would be a non-issue.

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

s7yn7DR.jpg

That sound you hear is the hot air being released from ESPN and the other pundit's that were calling for Brady's head...

....because Brady claims he's innocent, even though there's a preponderance of evidence to suggest that he isn't? :rolleyes:

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Why should Kraft receive a fine of $1 million, a lost draft pick, and a forfeiture of league revenue? Kraft was not only would this also be Kraft's first offense, he was exonerated in the report. Even if Brady orchestrated the whole thing, there is still literally zero evidence that Kraft had anything to do with this.

What happened to the "ignorance isn't an excuse" rationale that Goodell used to justify punishing Sean Payton and taking draft picks away for Bountygate? Why shouldn't that apply equally to Kraft (and Belichick, for that matter)?

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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this passage from page 40 of the report pretty much proves Brady's innocence IMO.

s7yn7DR.jpg

That sound you hear is the hot air being released from ESPN and the other pundit's that were calling for Brady's head...

You guys need to catch Keith Olbermann's rant on this. Basically takes what's written above and points out how much bull :censored: it is.

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Because Kraft is Goodell's champion.

He should've chosen Bronn.

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Nixon was winning re-election easily, but he still broke the law. The law (and integrity of the American Presidency), of course, being a much more serious matter than the NFL's rulebook.

You haven't been to the U.S. lately, have you? B)

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Tell me about it. Could any of the 24 hour news networks be arsed to mention British Parliamentary election results for five seconds?

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Again, I'd rather they just cut a deal where Brady announces his retirement at the end of the season. It's fair for everyone.

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Why should Kraft receive a fine of $1 million, a lost draft pick, and a forfeiture of league revenue? Kraft was not only would this also be Kraft's first offense, he was exonerated in the report. Even if Brady orchestrated the whole thing, there is still literally zero evidence that Kraft had anything to do with this.

What happened to the "ignorance isn't an excuse" rationale that Goodell used to justify punishing Sean Payton and taking draft picks away for Bountygate? Why shouldn't that apply equally to Kraft (and Belichick, for that matter)?

Player safety isn't quite the same as 5-10% deflation of a football. You're approaching the two scandals equally, which they aren't.

Plus, Sean Payton's excuse is likely implausible, whereas Kraft (and likely Belichick) probably really had no idea this was happening.

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