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Branch and Davis found a place off Sunset in Los Angeles, and one day Mark got the idea that the place needed pets. He bought two potbellied pigs, one silver and one black, and jokingly referred to them as his children.

He invited his parents over to meet the pigs. Carol Davis came in and played with them. Al stayed in the car.

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I can't believe there's that many Raiders fans at Soldier right now. When Cooper caught that pass, I swear like half the stadium cheered.

And let's remember, this is the Raiders we're talking about. The Raiders. Ray-durs.

"And then I remember to relax, and stop trying to hold on to it, and then it flows through me like rain and I can't feel anything but gratitude for every single moment of my stupid little life... You have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm sure. But don't worry... you will someday." 

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There's a lot more Raiders fans nationwide than you'd think.

Now the last 10 years may have turned off the Oakland home fans, but this is a franchise that was doing a lot more winning than losing between the 60's and 2002 and has a lot of followers spread out. There were a bunch of Darth Vaders and silver-and-black's in town the last time the Raiders came to Atlanta.

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The Raiders attracted people in every city who weren't into the home team. They were the option for the naturally antagonistic. In the 70's, 80's, and 90's if you were an angsty teen into heavy metal and pissing off your dad then you were a Raiders fan. It didn't even have to be about football. It was because they were the team that everybody else hated.

They also won 3 out of the first 18 Super Bowls so there was a bandwagon aspect to it as well. That they've become this incompetent fumble of an organization in the last decade and a half is weird. The NFL is more fun when the Raiders are good.

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

Used the company's proprietary ranking algorithms in order to do that.

It's kind of why its considered bad form for members of the casino staff to play the slots at that casino.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

Used the company's proprietary ranking algorithms in order to do that.

It's kind of why its considered bad form for members of the casino staff to play the slots at that casino.

Isn't the controversy about employees from one company winning games hosted by the other? So a Draft Kings employee takes his information and uses it to create lineups on Fan Duel knowing that it's essentially the same.

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

Used the company's proprietary ranking algorithms in order to do that.

It's kind of why its considered bad form for members of the casino staff to play the slots at that casino.

Yeah, but these aren't random outcomes in the way gambling is. Winning still requires the player being healthy and producing, and what he's done previously is far less telling of what he's going to do in a given week.

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The Raiders' decline really started the moment Bo Jackson's thighbone popped out. The on-field product immediately started to deteriorate, Al started going senile and the league started passing him by. With the exception of their brief renaissance under Gruden/Callahan, they've sucked ever since.

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

Used the company's proprietary ranking algorithms in order to do that.

It's kind of why its considered bad form for members of the casino staff to play the slots at that casino.

Yeah, but these aren't random outcomes in the way gambling is. Winning still requires the player being healthy and producing, and what he's done previously is far less telling of what he's going to do in a given week.

MOD EDIT: There's no need for taking personal shots at other CCSLC members while making your point.The reason I went for the slots analogy is that they are rigged on when to pay out, etc. and casino employees are the ones who would know that. If you've got access to the kind of data the "DraftDuel" employees do, that would give them an unfair advantage if they were to compete. Which is basically insider trading...acting on information you would not be in a position to have unless you worked at the company.
On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

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My understanding is DFS presents itself as a game of skill, but the people who are really good at it aren't picking a team of the guys they think will do well. They're placing multiple bets on potential lineups - based on algorithms - that are more likely to pay out. So it's less about understanding pro football and more about increasing your likelihood of winning. Which, fine, that's also a type of skill but how is that different than gambling?

If the DFS guys know the best algorithms and then place bets, that's obviously a bad thing.

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and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags

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The potential charges seem specious. What information, exactly, would this guy have that would make it insider trading? It sounds like he kept stats for his company and used the info he gathered. If that were the case, any guy with Microsoft Excel and an unfulfilling job could spend his entire day entering and tracking stats to get the same information. I can't see what exactly was illegal here.

Used the company's proprietary ranking algorithms in order to do that.

It's kind of why its considered bad form for members of the casino staff to play the slots at that casino.

Yeah, but these aren't random outcomes in the way gambling is. Winning still requires the player being healthy and producing, and what he's done previously is far less telling of what he's going to do in a given week.

MOD EDIT The reason I went for the slots analogy is that they are rigged on when to pay out, etc. and casino employees are the ones who would know that. If you've got access to the kind of data the "DraftDuel" employees do, that would give them an unfair advantage if they were to compete. Which is basically insider trading...acting on information you would not be in a position to have unless you worked at the company.

I don't think the insult was particularly necessary. I know what you were getting at with slots, and I don't think this is at all similar. Unless these bets are something outside of the normal realm of fantasy football, they still require the players to perform. It's not like there's an algorithm which will show you that Kirk Cousins will help you destroy a league despite the fact that he's a poor QB and puts up bad numbers.

I don't play fantasy football. Unless I've missed something here and these websites allow wagering on simulations instead of real players' performances from a given day, I can't see how an algorithm would give them information not available to the general public if they cared enough to find it.

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