C's Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Barring an 11th hour surprise, it's looking like the Tukwila people will be the only Seattle group to submit an expansion bid.Vegas and Suburbia? Two more Glendales? Why not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Barring an 11th hour surprise, it's looking like the Tukwila people will be the only Seattle group to submit an expansion bid.Vegas and Suburbia? Two more Glendales? Why not!Anaheim CA, Sunrise FL. Quote @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Barring an 11th hour surprise, it's looking like the Tukwila people will be the only Seattle group to submit an expansion bid.Vegas and Suburbia? Two more Glendales? Why not! Anaheim CA, Sunrise FL.Don't lump us in with that. We're not that. Quote | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Lol at comparing Anaheim to freaking Tukwila, Washington. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen. 2 Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil G Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen.Are you saying any of us would be surprised?Is Tukwila way out there or something? I'm pretty optimistic about Seattle as an NHL market, so I'm curious why everyone's discussing it as a bad idea. Quote Bruh check out my last.fm And my Rate Your Music Fantasy Teams: Seattle Spacemen (CFA) Signature credit to Silent Wind of Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJourney Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen. I'm expecting just that. Vegas & Suburbeattle get the teams while we wait around until 2035 when Bettman & The Yotes go kicking & screaming into Quebec City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportstar1212 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen. Are you saying any of us would be surprised?Is Tukwila way out there or something? I'm pretty optimistic about Seattle as an NHL market, so I'm curious why everyone's discussing it as a bad idea.Seattle itself would be fine, but having the rink in the suburbs is most often a bad idea (see: Glendale and Sunrise). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen.Are you saying any of us would be surprised?No, not really. That's what's tragic. Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen. Are you saying any of us would be surprised?Is Tukwila way out there or something? I'm pretty optimistic about Seattle as an NHL market, so I'm curious why everyone's discussing it as a bad idea.Tukwila is a suburb south of Seattle notable for being near the airport and that's about it. It's not Tacoma, and not Bellevue and certainly not Seattle. It's an area with strip malls, cheaper homes and apparently an NHL-loving sugar daddy.The bad thing about an NHL arena in Tukwila is it probably wouldn't past muster as an NBA arena. It's just too far away (15 miles? But you know how traffic is) to be considered part of the city.EDIT: And I should add that the NBA is the real prize in Seattle. That's nothing against the NHL; people would love it if it came here. But getting the NHL is mostly seen as a bridge to eventually return to the NBA. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 To say nothing about going into a market where you are for sure below the MLS on the local sporting totem poll. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It's an area with strip malls...Gary's in! 4 Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Watch the NHL give an expansion team to the group in a suburb of a city that doesn't even really want hockey over the ready-to-go arena in the hockey hotbed of Quebec City. Just watch it happen. Are you saying any of us would be surprised?Is Tukwila way out there or something? I'm pretty optimistic about Seattle as an NHL market, so I'm curious why everyone's discussing it as a bad idea.Tukwila is a suburb south of Seattle notable for being near the airport and that's about it. It's not Tacoma, and not Bellevue and certainly not Seattle. It's an area with strip malls, cheaper homes and apparently an NHL-loving sugar daddy.The bad thing about an NHL arena in Tukwila is it probably wouldn't past muster as an NBA arena. It's just too far away (15 miles? But you know how traffic is) to be considered part of the city.EDIT: And I should add that the NBA is the real prize in Seattle. That's nothing against the NHL; people would love it if it came here. But getting the NHL is mostly seen as a bridge to eventually return to the NBA.Yeah Tukwila isn't completely CRAZY, like, say, Glendale is. But traffic in that area is an absolute nightmare most of the time. And it makes zero sense to put a stadium south of Rainier Brewery when there's still a relatively large area up in SoDo just south of the stadiums that is kinda ripe for development.Also, I have a friend who lives down that way (ok so she was a tiny little bit further south down in Kent, but still) and it was probably the only part of the Seattle area where I actually felt somewhat worried after dark. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Putting the arena in Tukwila is a good way to guarantee that you aren't making it as accessible as possible for the maximum number of people within the market.Let's say I live in the space needle - Tukwila is a 25 minute drive without traffic, double that with public transportation. If I hop on the train after working downtown that's still ~20 minutes at best versus the quick and accessible jaunt the stadiums are from the downtown core. The eastsiders with money (your season ticket base) have relatively easy access to Sodo as well. Ballard, Fremont, the north are even farther away from Tukwila. I'm the biggest hockey fan in Seattle and I can't see myself being excited about hauling myself out to Tukwila for a game. I'll be very upset if that bid ends up winning because it's not setting the market up for success and is the same mistake they've made in Glendale and Sunrise. Seattle is better off waiting to move the Coyotes to the Sodo arena. and DG's right. Most Seattle residents would probably take the NBA over the NHL. I think they should tell the NBA to kick rocks, but I'm an NHL fan first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Geez, Tukwila is not that bad. It's near the airport, not far from light rail (depending on where in Tukwila), tons of open real estate, and probably cheaper than SoDo. Plus it's next to Renton which is great for me. Traffic woes in the 425 are not exclusive to Tukwila.If Seattle can't get its political crap together, Tukwila is a great alternative. Quote "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Geez, Tukwila is not that bad. It's near the airport, not far from light rail (depending on where in Tukwila), tons of open real estate, and probably cheaper than SoDo. Plus it's next to Renton which is great for me. Traffic woes in the 425 are not exclusive to Tukwila.If Seattle can't get its political crap together, Tukwila is a great alternative.I can't believe I'm saying this, but Bellevue would be better. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'm not disagreeing. But I dont see where it goes. Quote "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Also, making the trek out to Bellevue is still going to be a total hassle considering you have to cross Lake Washington over the 520 or the 90. I had to do that quite a few times last summer for work and (unless they've improved the toll system) it was always a complete and total headache. I'm STILL trying to fight a toll ticket that I was unable to pay on time due to their wonky ass web pay setup. And I'm not saying Tukwila would be an awful solution. Like we've said, it's still WAY better than the setup in Sunrise and Glendale, but shouldn't those two situations be something that scares off the NHL from having ANOTHER situation like that? And I can definitely see how putting an arena down there would work for you, Jimmy! Renton seems to have a pretty large concentration of people down that way and a lot of the young professionals I knew there who were local grew up closer to Renton. But is it enough of a population draw (both overall attendance and $$$ wise) to justify sacrificing the populous closer to the city? Somehow, I don't think so. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Light rail is open to Tukwila now (though I don't know where the proposed arena would be sited in relation to the light rail stop), and it'll be open to Bellevue in 2023 or so. No mass transit is planned for Renton.Here's a map of Seattle area:For scale, with no traffic, you can drive from downtown Seattle to SeaTac in about 15 minutes. Probably 20-25 from Bellevue. The Seattle/Bellevue area is dense, but it's not a huge land mass. There are limited highways and options to go east/west and north/south, which creates major pinchpoints during commute times (like, say, right before a 7 p.m. game start). Mass transit hasn't quite gotten there yet, though the system will be pretty good within the next -- ugh -- eight years.So there's your Seattle geography lesson. Tukwila isn't the worst, and probably not as bad as Glendale. But it's a lesser Seattle suburb and probably not the best long-term option. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 About the only benefit I can see from Tukwila is that it puts the team within reach of those who live/work in the Tacoma area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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