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[hawk36]

I say do a vote. It can be online and manual for fans attending the games. Make it for one month (September?) to boost fan awareness during a down month and then unveil the results to the public.

Here in Seattle the Sounders did that when choosing their name. In that case, Sounders was not one of the 3 options but won overwhelmingly with write ins.

Seems a simple and fun way to address the issue.

[OnWis97]

I just wish the Padres org. would come forward with their "considerable research" which shows that the color brown is favored by a vocal minority. It really isn't that tough, guys. Just let us in on the particulars, such as How was this polling done? Where was this polling done? Who was asked their opinion? What ages were they? Season ticket holders only? San Diego-area residents only?

I have followed this team for 30 years, and I didn't get asked for my opinion:)

I would have more respect for them, (not that they care what I think of them), if they just came out and said "Here is where we are on brown. We f___ing hate it. It is a terrible color and we feel it is a terrible color for our brand. Some of you slobs who followed the team in the 70's and 80's, and a few youngsters out there who think it's neat-o, may like it, but we don't. It's not coming back. However, there is plenty of that hideous stuff for sale in the team store. Have at it if you must."

See, not that hard! Let's have one or the other. I will be waiting:)

Sales of throwback merchandise maybe? I just don't see a significant amount of brown when I watch Padres games. Not like you see throwback gear anywhere else, like Milwaukee for example. Even in Philly you'll see a good amount of maroon and light blue. Padres fans aren't even close to that.

Milwaukee may not be a fair comparison since the Brewers wear their retro look on a regular basis.

Philly would be...but I don't know that you've provided enough anecdotal evidence.

(And I know I said the Padres fans don't want brown, but I admit that it's just a sense that I have)

[FiddySicks]

I just wish the Padres org. would come forward with their "considerable research" which shows that the color brown is favored by a vocal minority. It really isn't that tough, guys. Just let us in on the particulars, such as How was this polling done? Where was this polling done? Who was asked their opinion? What ages were they? Season ticket holders only? San Diego-area residents only?

I have followed this team for 30 years, and I didn't get asked for my opinion:)

I would have more respect for them, (not that they care what I think of them), if they just came out and said "Here is where we are on brown. We f___ing hate it. It is a terrible color and we feel it is a terrible color for our brand. Some of you slobs who followed the team in the 70's and 80's, and a few youngsters out there who think it's neat-o, may like it, but we don't. It's not coming back. However, there is plenty of that hideous stuff for sale in the team store. Have at it if you must."

See, not that hard! Let's have one or the other. I will be waiting:)

Sales of throwback merchandise maybe? I just don't see a significant amount of brown when I watch Padres games. Not like you see throwback gear anywhere else, like Milwaukee for example. Even in Philly you'll see a good amount of maroon and light blue. Padres fans aren't even close to that.

Yes they are. I've worked in the sports apparel industry for several different companies in several different regions, and I never saw more throwback merchandise move than I did with the Padres in Southern California. The brown gear vastly outsold the white and navy gear.

From what I've seen, the majority of people think that the navy and white gear is full and that the brown gear just suits the team betters

[hawk36]

I'm wondering how much can you base likes or dislikes on sales? My thinking is the Padre management doesn't like brown and thus pushes the blue merchandise much more in their stores. In addition, since their primary is blue, management naturally wants more fans in blue. I guess you could go by percentages (ie. store is 90% blue and 10% brown but brown makes up 15% of sales) but that's tricky too.

In the end I think a simple vote by fans could answer a lot of questions. Although, again, if Padre management is behind the vote, they could easily skew it their way if they like.

BTW here in Seattle in the hat shop at the mall they ONLY have the brown Padre caps. That, to me, says the company must feel the brown is preferred by their customers.

[bosrs1]

I just wish the Padres org. would come forward with their "considerable research" which shows that the color brown is favored by a vocal minority. It really isn't that tough, guys. Just let us in on the particulars, such as How was this polling done? Where was this polling done? Who was asked their opinion? What ages were they? Season ticket holders only? San Diego-area residents only?

I have followed this team for 30 years, and I didn't get asked for my opinion:)

I would have more respect for them, (not that they care what I think of them), if they just came out and said "Here is where we are on brown. We f___ing hate it. It is a terrible color and we feel it is a terrible color for our brand. Some of you slobs who followed the team in the 70's and 80's, and a few youngsters out there who think it's neat-o, may like it, but we don't. It's not coming back. However, there is plenty of that hideous stuff for sale in the team store. Have at it if you must."

See, not that hard! Let's have one or the other. I will be waiting:)

Sales of throwback merchandise maybe? I just don't see a significant amount of brown when I watch Padres games. Not like you see throwback gear anywhere else, like Milwaukee for example. Even in Philly you'll see a good amount of maroon and light blue. Padres fans aren't even close to that.

Milwaukee may not be a fair comparison since the Brewers wear their retro look on a regular basis.

Philly would be...but I don't know that you've provided enough anecdotal evidence.

(And I know I said the Padres fans don't want brown, but I admit that it's just a sense that I have)

According to the Padres they'll be joining that group with the Brewers next year too. As they'll be adding a new brown jersey to their regular rotation (not a throwback) along side the presumptive new blue and yellow uniforms as well.

[hawk36]

According to the Padres they'll be joining that group with the Brewers next year too. As they'll be adding a new brown jersey to their regular rotation (not a throwback) along side the presumptive new blue and yellow uniforms as well.

I could live with that assuming the uniforms were designed well. Where did you get the info?

[OnWis97]

According to the Padres they'll be joining that group with the Brewers next year too. As they'll be adding a new brown jersey to their regular rotation (not a throwback) along side the presumptive new blue and yellow uniforms as well.

I could live with that assuming the uniforms were designed well. Where did you get the info?

As much as I like Brown, I also like teams to have one identity...Now they have blue primaries, a brown alt, and there is no way they are ditching camo.

Adding yellow to the blue (as indicated in the All-Star logo) and then having a brown alt seems a bit odd. Maybe yellow is in the logo simply for the sake of the logo and they are not changing their drab blue for next year? Has the blue/yellow change been confirmed in any way?

Maybe adding a brown alt is to test to waters for a change in a couple of years (though doubtful if they are in fact adding yellow). Then again, maybe it is just to see merchandise.

[FinsUp1214]

So I might get skewered for this, but I just want to share two honest opinions...

As much as I do believe the Padres belong in brown (just take a walk through Old Town and try to unsee brown for weeks), I'm okay with the navy and sand. I just spent a week in San Diego and drove through downtown and by the ballpark, and the location of Petco alone helped make the navy and sand make a little more sense to me. It's pretty close to the water and where the navy ships are docked, so I can get the whole beach/naval influence of the colors and feel they fit a whole lot better than they are given credit for. So in essence, navy and sand aren't as out of place to me personally after seeing the area firsthand. I don't know, it just kind of clicked for me when I went through the ballpark and downtown area, honestly. Especially after seeing the water and ships so close. So if navy stays forever, I'm okay with it I suppose.

The second honest opinion is that, should they ever go back to brown (which again, I think is still the Padres' ideal), I'd rather it be paired with sand or khaki than gold or orange. And honesly, this is a sort of change-of-opinion (used to favor gold). Walking through Old Town, as I mentioned before, there's tons of brown. But there's also a ton of sand/khaki/light tan everywhere, too. It's the color of most of the buildings there, and I personally think it looks incredible with the brown there. The gold looks good, but sand/khaki/light tan with brown just looks a whole lot more "Old San Diego" to me now than gold or orange.

But yeah, my four or so cents on the Padres for what it's worth.

[daveindc]

I just wish the Padres org. would come forward with their "considerable research" which shows that the color brown is favored by a vocal minority. It really isn't that tough, guys. Just let us in on the particulars, such as How was this polling done? Where was this polling done? Who was asked their opinion? What ages were they? Season ticket holders only? San Diego-area residents only?

I have followed this team for 30 years, and I didn't get asked for my opinion:)

I would have more respect for them, (not that they care what I think of them), if they just came out and said "Here is where we are on brown. We f___ing hate it. It is a terrible color and we feel it is a terrible color for our brand. Some of you slobs who followed the team in the 70's and 80's, and a few youngsters out there who think it's neat-o, may like it, but we don't. It's not coming back. However, there is plenty of that hideous stuff for sale in the team store. Have at it if you must."

See, not that hard! Let's have one or the other. I will be waiting:)

Sales of throwback merchandise maybe? I just don't see a significant amount of brown when I watch Padres games. Not like you see throwback gear anywhere else, like Milwaukee for example. Even in Philly you'll see a good amount of maroon and light blue. Padres fans aren't even close to that.

Yes they are. I've worked in the sports apparel industry for several different companies in several different regions, and I never saw more throwback merchandise move than I did with the Padres in Southern California. The brown gear vastly outsold the white and navy gear.

From what I've seen, the majority of people think that the navy and white gear is full and that the brown gear just suits the team betters

Can YOU provide actual evidence of this, sir? lol Jk. I only know from what I see Padres fans wear at Petco, and it looks like mostly navy with only some brown here and there.

[Dynasty]

So I might get skewered for this, but I just want to share two honest opinions...

As much as I do believe the Padres belong in brown (just take a walk through Old Town and try to unsee brown for weeks), I'm okay with the navy and sand. I just spent a week in San Diego and drove through downtown and by the ballpark, and the location of Petco alone helped make the navy and sand make a little more sense to me. It's pretty close to the water and where the navy ships are docked, so I can get the whole beach/naval influence of the colors and feel they fit a whole lot better than they are given credit for. So in essence, navy and sand aren't as out of place to me personally after seeing the area firsthand. I don't know, it just kind of clicked for me when I went through the ballpark and downtown area, honestly. Especially after seeing the water and ships so close. So if navy stays forever, I'm okay with it I suppose.

The second honest opinion is that, should they ever go back to brown (which again, I think is still the Padres' ideal), I'd rather it be paired with sand or khaki than gold or orange. And honesly, this is a sort of change-of-opinion (used to favor gold). Walking through Old Town, as I mentioned before, there's tons of brown. But there's also a ton of sand/khaki/light tan everywhere, too. It's the color of most of the buildings there, and I personally think it looks incredible with the brown there. The gold looks good, but sand/khaki/light tan with brown just looks a whole lot more "Old San Diego" to me now than gold or orange.

But yeah, my four or so cents on the Padres for what it's worth.

That is what a personally dreamt of the Padres using.

[Jungle Jim]

I really like the possible navy/gold/gray color scheme from the All Star Game logo. It's unique in MLB and I prefer it over brown/gold. I just personally think brown is ugly as a color scheme for a sports franchise. The colors for a team are used all over the place. Website, billboards, t shirts. I wear the occasional brown article of clothing, but I don't overdo it with the color. I just can't imagine a brown jacket, for example, being a huge seller after the novelty of it wearing off.

Plus, has anyone mentioned how badly the navy blue that is ALL OVER Petco park clashes with brown. It would be a very intensive and expensive effort to change the color of the wall padding, seats, and everything....and to what, green? No thanks. And I really don't want to see how crummy a navy blue dominated park looks with a brown identity.

The Park issue is one of the reasons I vehemently oppose brown for the Pads. I like that the stadium and team more or less match as it's a classy touch and it fits in with the rest of the gaslamp area to boot. When they've worn brown throwbacks the clash between stadium and team is just jarring and screams 80's to me when teams and venues had no sense of symmetry.

I liked the way the Vet looked with the Autumn colored seats.

It was groovy.

As was the Astrodome's upper level...

Not sure they qualify as groovy, but Riverfront Stadium and Dodger Stadium got creative with seat colors. Are these the only ones that have had different colors for each level, or has it been not that uncommon?

[Anubis2051]

I really like the possible navy/gold/gray color scheme from the All Star Game logo. It's unique in MLB and I prefer it over brown/gold. I just personally think brown is ugly as a color scheme for a sports franchise. The colors for a team are used all over the place. Website, billboards, t shirts. I wear the occasional brown article of clothing, but I don't overdo it with the color. I just can't imagine a brown jacket, for example, being a huge seller after the novelty of it wearing off.

Plus, has anyone mentioned how badly the navy blue that is ALL OVER Petco park clashes with brown. It would be a very intensive and expensive effort to change the color of the wall padding, seats, and everything....and to what, green? No thanks. And I really don't want to see how crummy a navy blue dominated park looks with a brown identity.

The Park issue is one of the reasons I vehemently oppose brown for the Pads. I like that the stadium and team more or less match as it's a classy touch and it fits in with the rest of the gaslamp area to boot. When they've worn brown throwbacks the clash between stadium and team is just jarring and screams 80's to me when teams and venues had no sense of symmetry.

I liked the way the Vet looked with the Autumn colored seats.

It was groovy.

As was the Astrodome's upper level...

Not sure they qualify as groovy, but Riverfront Stadium and Dodger Stadium got creative with seat colors. Are these the only ones that have had different colors for each level, or has it been not that uncommon?

Shea:

RFK:

Three Rivers:

I don't think it was that uncommon for the cookie cutter stadiums at all.

[Silver Shamrock]

That supposed brown/gold alternate for the Padres, to my knowledge, has not been officially announced in any way by the team. As far as I know, it is strictly rumored.

It was reported by Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton, San Diego radio personality, that the team was in "internal discussions" about wearing such an alternate on Fridays next season, and then featured on Gaslampball.com. Here's a link:

http://www.gaslampball.com/2015/4/27/8503937/padres-considering-wearing-brown-uniforms-on-fridays-at-home

[Ray Lankford]

That supposed brown/gold alternate for the Padres, to my knowledge, has not been officially announced in any way by the team. As far as I know, it is strictly rumored.

It was reported by Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton, San Diego radio personality, that the team was in "internal discussions" about wearing such an alternate on Fridays next season, and then featured on Gaslampball.com. Here's a link:

http://www.gaslampball.com/2015/4/27/8503937/padres-considering-wearing-brown-uniforms-on-fridays-at-home

The Padres beat writer for the Union Tribune also mentioned it.

My thing with the brown and the ownership group's refusal to adopt it is why? If there was such a popular demand, why wouldn't they do it? They're running a business so what sense does it make to not give your clientele what it wants?

[FiddySicks]

I just wish the Padres org. would come forward with their "considerable research" which shows that the color brown is favored by a vocal minority. It really isn't that tough, guys. Just let us in on the particulars, such as How was this polling done? Where was this polling done? Who was asked their opinion? What ages were they? Season ticket holders only? San Diego-area residents only?

I have followed this team for 30 years, and I didn't get asked for my opinion:)

I would have more respect for them, (not that they care what I think of them), if they just came out and said "Here is where we are on brown. We f___ing hate it. It is a terrible color and we feel it is a terrible color for our brand. Some of you slobs who followed the team in the 70's and 80's, and a few youngsters out there who think it's neat-o, may like it, but we don't. It's not coming back. However, there is plenty of that hideous stuff for sale in the team store. Have at it if you must."

See, not that hard! Let's have one or the other. I will be waiting:)

Sales of throwback merchandise maybe? I just don't see a significant amount of brown when I watch Padres games. Not like you see throwback gear anywhere else, like Milwaukee for example. Even in Philly you'll see a good amount of maroon and light blue. Padres fans aren't even close to that.

Yes they are. I've worked in the sports apparel industry for several different companies in several different regions, and I never saw more throwback merchandise move than I did with the Padres in Southern California. The brown gear vastly outsold the white and navy gear.

From what I've seen, the majority of people think that the navy and white gear is full and that the brown gear just suits the team betters

Can YOU provide actual evidence of this, sir? lol Jk. I only know from what I see Padres fans wear at Petco, and it looks like mostly navy with only some brown here and there.

While it's simply an observation on my part from working in the industry, if you really wanted to back me into a corner and force me to, it probably wouldn't be terribly difficult for me to access some of Genesco's old sales numbers.

People raved about the brown gear, and we actually began to set up stores differently because of the demand for the throwback gear.

Compare that to when I worked for the company in Seattle (right in the stadium district of SoDo). A lot of people wanted the royal and yellow upside down trident gear, but we didn't have to actually change our ordering routines to include more of it like we did in Southern California.

[bosrs1]

That supposed brown/gold alternate for the Padres, to my knowledge, has not been officially announced in any way by the team. As far as I know, it is strictly rumored.

It was reported by Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton, San Diego radio personality, that the team was in "internal discussions" about wearing such an alternate on Fridays next season, and then featured on Gaslampball.com. Here's a link:

http://www.gaslampball.com/2015/4/27/8503937/padres-considering-wearing-brown-uniforms-on-fridays-at-home

The Padres beat writer for the Union Tribune also mentioned it.

My thing with the brown and the ownership group's refusal to adopt it is why? If there was such a popular demand, why wouldn't they do it? They're running a business so what sense does it make to not give your clientele what it wants?

Exactly right. If it were what their clientele wanted they'd switch to it. Since they haven't done so, and have insisted through their own studies that it's not what the clientele want, we can only presume that brown is not what Padres fans as a majority favor.

[FiddySicks]

Yeah, but Padres ownership (pretty much my entire life) has proven to be incredibly stupid.

[IceCap]

I don't buy the "if brown were so popular the Padres would have returned to it already" argument. Powder blue, be it in modern alternate or throwback form, is incredibly popular among the Chargers faithful. Ownership prefers navy though, so navy's staying the primary.

Never underestimate the ability of a stubborn rich guy to go "screw what everyone else wants."

[Ray Lankford]

I don't buy the "if brown were so popular the Padres would have returned to it already" argument. Powder blue, be it in modern alternate or throwback form, is incredibly popular among the Chargers faithful. Ownership prefers navy though, so navy's staying the primary.

Never underestimate the ability of a stubborn rich guy to go "screw what everyone else wants."

But the Chargers have been owned the same family for thirty years. The Padres have had four owners since 1990 and they've all put out their own blue jersey.

[Gothamite]

I don't buy the "if brown were so popular the Padres would have returned to it already" argument. Powder blue, be it in modern alternate or throwback form, is incredibly popular among the Chargers faithful. Ownership prefers navy though, so navy's staying the primary.

Never underestimate the ability of a stubborn rich guy to go "screw what everyone else wants."

Indeed.

Or you can ask the Brewers - i was at Miller Park a couple weeks ago, and they have more throwback merchandise in the stores than they do with the contemporary logo, yet Attanasio holds on to the navy.

If the Padres add a regular brown alternate, that's at the very least an admission that it's extremely popular in San Diego. At most it's an attempt to double-dip the way the Brewers do, satisfying the fans' love for the old with the owners' love for the new.