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Should Pete Rose be Reinstated into Baseball?

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Betting on baseball is hardly murder.

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I say no, but the still let A-Rod play, so...

A-Rod will absolutely not be inducted to the HOF.

Nor has MLB put an asterisk beside Pete Rose's statistics. So precious that it's his one credential of ppl still wanting him in the HOF.

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Betting on baseball is hardly murder.

No, and being able to live freely and do anything you want other than go into the Hall of Fame or work for the Reds is hardly life in prison. The point is that both committed the most egregious crime within scope of the punishing agency. Betting on baseball is the worst thing one can do in the game (other than maybe explicitly throwing a game), so I don't think one gets time off for good behavior. Besides, Rose hasn't been well behaved. He's been a jackass these last 25 years.

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You need to honor the 20 other years those 4,256 hits

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You need to honor the 20 other years those 4,256 hits

They do already.

He knew the rules. He broke the rules. He broke the rules a lot. He lied about breaking the rules for nearly 20 years. He stepped on people who presented evidence that he broke the rules.

Why is this hard?

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I think it hurts baseball that players like Rose, Bonds, Clemens are not in the Hall of Fame. It hurts a lot more than letting them in.

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His record is in the Hall. He knew the penalty, he's serving it, he should never be reinstated.

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Betting on baseball is hardly murder.

No, and being able to live freely and do anything you want other than go into the Hall of Fame or work for the Reds is hardly life in prison. The point is that both committed the most egregious crime within scope of the punishing agency. Betting on baseball is the worst thing one can do in the game (other than maybe explicitly throwing a game), so I don't think one gets time off for good behavior. Besides, Rose hasn't been well behaved. He's been a jackass these last 25 years.

A lying jackass who has shown no remorse.... so yeah screw that guy.

I think it hurts baseball that players like Rose, Bonds, Clemens are not in the Hall of Fame. It hurts a lot more than letting them in.

How so? Their records are in the hall. Baseball has acknowledged their contributions. How is baseball harmed by keeping out cheaters?

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I think it hurts baseball that players like Rose, Bonds, Clemens are not in the Hall of Fame. It hurts a lot more than letting them in.

But their accomplishments are on full display in the HOF currently. I tell you what, you can open a museum next door to the Hall of Fame, call it the Hall of Baseball Miscreants and induct Rose, Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero and Shoeless Joe Jackson.

The more I see you try and argue Rose's case, the more you're convincing me he shouldn't be in the Hall.

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As much hatred as MLB as for Rose, if they had evidence that he bet against the Reds they would have said it.

Pete Rose has 4,256 hits the most ever he is a Hall of Famer

It doesn't matter if he never bet against the Reds.

If he bets on the Reds to win tonight and doesn't make a bet for tomorrow's game, it changes how he'll manage each game. He'll make sure he has his best lineup on the field tonight and will rest guys tomorrow. He might ask his closer to throw more than one inning tonight even if it means he won't be available tomorrow since he has 20k on the line.

If he doesn't bet on them tonight but does bet on them tomorrow then he can rest most of his bullpen today and just leave his starter in until his arm falls off.

Not betting on the Reds is almost the same thing as betting against them.

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As much hatred as MLB as for Rose, if they had evidence that he bet against the Reds they would have said it.

Pete Rose has 4,256 hits the most ever he is a Hall of Famer

It doesn't matter if he never bet against the Reds.

If he bets on the Reds to win tonight and doesn't make a bet for tomorrow's game, it changes how he'll manage each game. He'll make sure he has his best lineup on the field tonight and will rest guys tomorrow. He might ask his closer to throw more than one inning tonight even if it means he won't be available tomorrow since he has 20k on the line.

If he doesn't bet on them tonight but does bet on them tomorrow then he can rest most of his bullpen today and just leave his starter in until his arm falls off.

Not betting on the Reds is almost the same thing as betting against them.

Exactly.

If he's got money on the game Friday night he can stack his lineup when he's got his best pitcher throwing (statistically Bill Gullickson in 86) and then use his closer for a 5 out save (John Franco), then on Saturday he can rest all those guys so they're ready for the game he has money on Sunday when Tom Browning is pitching.

The integrity of the game is still affected when he bets on his team to win.

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It's also the implications of when he bets and when he doesn't. A bookie could be able to pick up on trends or differences, real or not.

If Rose bets on the Reds to win a game, his bookie could tell others that the Reds manager thinks the team is going to win that day. But everytime Rose doesn't bet, the bookie could be led to believe something is wrong with the team that day and tell others the Reds manager doesn't think the team is going to win that day.

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How come we forgave Connie Hawkins in the NBA and cant forgive Pete Rose??

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How come we forgave Connie Hawkins in the NBA and cant forgive Pete Rose??

Becuase Connie Hawkins didn't do anything wrong and was able to prove it in a court of law. It took all of two minutes to research this, Tank. Hawkins' “involvement" in point-shaving happened during his freshman year of college at a time when NCAA prohibited freshman athletes from playing in varsity games. So he wasn't even playing. The only connection he had at all was being named by an individual associated with the scandal. It was not the large amount of evidence that Pete Rose has against him.

Hawkins was able to prove in a court of law that he had not been involved in the point shaving scandal and the NBA awarded him 1.3 million dollars and he was allowed to play after 4 years of being banned.

It’s not even close to the same case as Pete Rose. Connie Hawkins was innocent and proved he was innocent. Pete Rose was guilty, lied about being innocent for over a decade and half, and never proved his innocence. See the difference?

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How come we forgave Connie Hawkins in the NBA and cant forgive Pete Rose??

Becuase Connie Hawkins didn't do anything wrong and was able to prove it in a court of law. It took all of two minutes to research this, Tank. Hawkins' “involvement" in point-shaving happened during his freshman year of college at a time when NCAA prohibited freshman athletes from playing in varsity games. So he wasn't even playing. The only connection he had at all was being named by an individual associated with the scandal. It was not the large amount of evidence that Pete Rose has against him.

Hawkins was able to prove in a court of law that he had not been involved in the point shaving scandal and the NBA awarded him 1.3 million dollars and he was allowed to play after 4 years of being banned.

It’s not even close to the same case as Pete Rose. Connie Hawkins was innocent and proved he was innocent. Pete Rose was guilty, lied about being innocent for over a decade and half, and never proved his innocence. See the difference?

Hell Rose is STILL lying about the extent of his betting. Guy is a scumbag then, and he's still a scumbag now.

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The arguments defending him are getting increasingly desperate...

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It's tNak; did you expect him to do any research or consider any other viewpoints?

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Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa follow the crowd right?

I have the right to my view too or is that not allowed in America any more?

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Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa follow the crowd right?

I have the right to my view too or is that not allowed in America any more?

Yes, and other people also have the right to their own view. It just so happens that certain view is the majority.

Face it Tank, you lost again.

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You know what I dont care I think Pete Rose should be in to hell with the majority. Everyone going along with the majority only leads to bad things.

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