KittSmith_95 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I hate Bettman for a few reasons: 1. He keeps a team in a market that doesn't want a team. 2. He wants to add another team with the same predictement 3. He's caused 3 lockouts in his time with the league 4. TSN has made fun of him with a character referred to as "Gerry Bettman". Nuff Said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On February 5, 2016 at 0:29 PM, CreamSoda said: MOD EDIT You mean Player's agent drawing up stupid "unaffordable" contracts. Is it impossible for you to admit the players are equally at fault for the lost games? I must have missed the part where contract negotiations involve the player's agent holding the GM and owner at gunpoint until they sign the contract. Basic business principles indicate that those latter parties have a lot of say in how a contract is drawn up. And I don't begrudge anyone to fight to hold on to what they previously had. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, rams80 said: I must have missed the part where contract negotiations involve the player's agent holding the GM and owner at gunpoint until they sign the contract. Basic business principles indicate that those latter parties have a lot of say in how a contract is drawn up. And I don't begrudge anyone to fight to hold on to what they previously had. Please, agents are the lawyers who find the loopholes to create those contracts. Why do you think max length and cap circumvention are a thing now... So you don't begrudge anyone for holding onto what they previously had? But its ok to cancel a season to end up with less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, CreamSoda said: Please, agents are the lawyers who find the loopholes to create those contracts. Why do you think max length and cap circumvention are a thing now... And the reason you don't think the owners and GMs have access to the same (if not better) legal representation is.... 4 minutes ago, CreamSoda said: So you don't begrudge anyone for holding onto what they previously had? But its ok to cancel a season to end up with less? You have a right to defend yourself. The players didn't initiate the lockout. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have several lines in the sand, and one of them is to always take the players' side in a pro sports dispute. 30 guys making the same 50% (or more) of league proceeds as however many hundreds of players do seems nefarious to me, no matter the financial circumstances. Also, I was an NHL fan, but stopped watching because of lockouts, not being able to see games on ESPN, and not understanding division alignments, or the basic rules of the game anymore. The NHL exists in the wind for me, because I don't see it on TV, barely see it discussed in mainstream sports journalism, and when I do, it's about something dumb the league has done. Revenues may be up, but for once-casual fans like me, it's likability is way down. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On February 5, 2016 at 0:55 PM, rams80 said: And the reason you don't think the owners and GMs have access to the same (if not better) legal representation is.... You have a right to defend yourself. The players didn't initiate the lockout. Hey! Now you are getting at why we had a lockout! MOD EDIT The NHL's lawyers had to create a CBA that ensured future growth of the league. You are 100% right, they didn't initiate it. They prolonged it, causing them to lose a season and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On February 5, 2016 at 0:57 PM, CreamSoda said: Hey! Now you are getting at why we had a lockout! MOD EDIT The NHL's lawyers had to create a CBA that ensured future growth of the league. You are 100% right, they didn't initiate it. They prolonged it, causing them to lose a season and a half. Then they had to create a second because it wasn't growing enough or stop them from signing stupid contracts. Then they had to create a third because it STILL wasn't growing enough or stop them from signing stupid contracts. And in a few years they will have to create a fourth, after another lockout, because the league still isn't growing enough and yup, stupid contracts are still being signed. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, rams80 said: Then they had to create a second because it wasn't growing enough or stop them from signing stupid contracts. Then they had to create a third because it STILL wasn't growing enough or stop them from signing stupid contracts. And in a few years they will have to create a fourth, after another lockout, because the league still isn't growing enough and yup, stupid contracts are still being signed. 100% blame goes to Bettman!! That evil evil man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, CreamSoda said: 100% blame goes to Bettman!! That evil evil man! Bettman does seem to see "lockout" as step 1 of any negotiating strategy on his part. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 holy rams80 is married! I don't think this ever came up! Congratulations. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On February 5, 2016 at 11:49 AM, CreamSoda said: MOD EDIT I never said Saint owners, I agreed both sides are greedy. You are the one living in a dream world where the players are blamless and the NHL is the greedy angry boss forcing them to work long hours with no pay. MOD EDIT So the personal attacks end, NOW. Let's move on. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan33 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 So... No Canadian teams in the playoffs this year. That sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CreamSoda Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said: So the personal attacks end, NOW. Let's move on. Where was this when my job, career and mind was personally attacked?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, CreamSoda said: Where was this when my job, career and mind was personally attacked?? 1) You've attacked enough people's "minds" yourself. 2) That "no more personal attacks" post was directed at EVERYONE. Not just you. 3) Move. On. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMcD29 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 TALES FROM MY AWESOME 6-MONTH JOB AT THE NHL'S FOOTAGE AND LICENSING DEPARTMENT EPISODE 2 One day as my friends and I were leaving the office for the day, Bettman's in the elevator with us. Did he make a corny joke on that elevator ride? YOU BETCHA Twitter: @RyanMcD29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcj882000 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 To be perfectly fair, I don't think the league's deal with ESPN was all that great. There's an old blog post here that goes into how Disney basically screwed FOX over for the cable rights, then basically ignored the league, especially after they got the NBA's cable rights in 2002, until they pulled out after the 2004-05 lockout:https://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/okay-lets-talk-about-this-like-adults-how-espn-nearly-destroyed-the-nhl-on-tv-or-why-the-nhl-should-never-go-back-to-espn/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-ROY Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Here's a sum up of today's events for those just tuning in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, mcj882000 said: To be perfectly fair, I don't think the league's deal with ESPN was all that great. There's an old blog post here that goes into how Disney basically screwed FOX over for the cable rights, then basically ignored the league, especially after they got the NBA's cable rights in 2002, until they pulled out after the 2004-05 lockout:https://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/okay-lets-talk-about-this-like-adults-how-espn-nearly-destroyed-the-nhl-on-tv-or-why-the-nhl-should-never-go-back-to-espn/ I've read that the proposed ESPN NHL deal was bogus for the league, and would paid out a pittance. That's a shame, but people would have at least been able to watch the games. Outside of the random NHL on NBC game, I have no idea how to watch NHL hockey. Regional networks? NBC Sports? TruTV? 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, DG_Now said: I've read that the proposed ESPN NHL deal was bogus for the league, and would paid out a pittance. That's a shame, but people would have at least been able to watch the games. Outside of the random NHL on NBC game, I have no idea how to watch NHL hockey. Regional networks? NBC Sports? TruTV? Most nights, NBCSN usually airs at least one NHL game. However, I would imagine that a lot of NHL games are on regional networks. I know down here that about 65%-80% of Caps games are on the regional network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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