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Looks like the Cosmos are in trouble

 

I don't really feel that bad for the Cosmos since they're the ones that prompted the NASL to go in the direction it's going in.

 

It's clear that the Cosmos are not going to be around for much longer since the USL has no interest in them, the NASL is on shaky ground, and they aren't pulling in the attendances they need. Hopefully there can be an independent D2 team in NY that can attract most Cosmos fans after the team is eventually gone. I think the Cosmos fanbase is enough to sustain a D2 team with no delusions of grandeur.

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It seems a near-certainty that the USL will be granted D2 status.  I suspect all the parties involved already know this is coming.

 

Not only with the NASL's D1 application be denies, they'll be lucky to hang on to D2, since they'll need another waiver to meet the basic criteria.  And if Rayo OKC closes up shop, as most of us expect them to, that'll be another D2 benchmark (teams in 3 time zones) that the NASL will fail to meet.

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18 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

It seems a near-certainty that the USL will be granted D2 status.  I suspect all the parties involved already know this is coming.

 

Not only with the NASL's D1 application be denies, they'll be lucky to hang on to D2, since they'll need another waiver to meet the basic criteria.  And if Rayo OKC closes up shop, as most of us expect them to, that'll be another D2 benchmark (teams in 3 time zones) that the NASL will fail to meet.

 

The USL will definitely get D2.

 

I suspect the NASL will get another waiver from the USSF but as for the three time zones I think they will alright on that since the San Francisco Deltas will be in the league next year.

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They may get another waiver, but they'll need it - the D2 standard is "By year six (2017), U.S.-based teams must be located in at least three different time zones."  

 

Edmonton doesn't count, so if Rayo goes away, that leaves the NASL in the Pacific and Eastern time zones only - nothing in Mountain or Central in the US.

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6 hours ago, Gothamite said:

They may get another waiver, but they'll need it - the D2 standard is "By year six (2017), U.S.-based teams must be located in at least three different time zones."  

 

Edmonton doesn't count, so if Rayo goes away, that leaves the NASL in the Pacific and Eastern time zones only - nothing in Mountain or Central in the US.

I'd always overlooked the piece about "a U.S. team", and assumed they were still good. Good to learn something!

 

 

I mean, who cares about the NASL? USL is where it's at now. :P

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On 11/27/2016 at 8:40 PM, DiePerske said:

Please TFC.

 

Not just because I'm a fan, but, please win. .

Id hate to see the MLS final played on turf. 

 

I'd be fine with it in Toronto, but I'd WAY rather it be in Seattle. I can't even imagine the intensity of that crowd at CenturyLink. It could even put some big Seahawks games to shame. 

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17 hours ago, Gothamite said:

They may get another waiver, but they'll need it - the D2 standard is "By year six (2017), U.S.-based teams must be located in at least three different time zones."  

 

Edmonton doesn't count, so if Rayo goes away, that leaves the NASL in the Pacific and Eastern time zones only - nothing in Mountain or Central in the US.

 

I was thinking Indiana was in the Central Time Zone so that's why I thought the NASL had the three time zone thing covered.

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8 minutes ago, Nyk33 said:

 

I was thinking Indiana was in the Central Time Zone so that's why I thought the NASL had the three time zone thing covered.

There's a handful of counties near Chicago that are on Central Time, and I think a handful in the very southwestern corner of the state as well, but Indianapolis is Eastern Time.

 

It's sad to see what's happening with the Cosmos, but reality is, they dug their own grave when they failed to strike a deal with the MLS. Nobody in New York was going to care about some second tier team playing out at Hofstra indefinitely when there's two MLS teams in the Tri-State Area. Reviving the name of a team from the 70's wasn't going to help a bit.

 

I have wondered if NYCFC will try to snatch up the Belmont Park stadium site that the Cosmos wanted to build on (as if a 2nd tier team was ever going to build a super-modern 20,000 seat stadium to begin with). It's not technically in New York City limits (literally a couple hundred feet away from the Queens border), and it doesn't have subway access, so I'm guessing they won't be interested. I'd much much prefer Flushing Meadows or Inwood, but it doesn't look like any progress is being made on getting approval for either of those sites, unfortunately.

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8 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

I'd be fine with it in Toronto, but I'd WAY rather it be in Seattle. I can't even imagine the intensity of that crowd at CenturyLink. It could even put some big Seahawks games to shame. 

 

No question Seattle would have a good atmosphere, but have you seen any of the playoff games in Toronto so far this year?

 

I'm clearly biased, but it's the most insane atmosphere I've ever seen in the US/Canada. Nothing come close.

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3 hours ago, kroywen said:

It's sad to see what's happening with the Cosmos, but reality is, they dug their own grave when they failed to strike a deal with the MLS. Nobody in New York was going to care about some second tier team playing out at Hofstra indefinitely when there's two MLS teams in the Tri-State Area. Reviving the name of a team from the 70's wasn't going to help a bit.

 

There are so many different theories about what happened between the Cosmos & MLS. They range from the Cosmos being prima donnas about not wanting to be fully integrated into MLS's single entity structure so they could have more control over their intellectual property (for example have their own kit deal) causing MLS to give the finger to City Football Group outbidding the Cosmos for the second MLS spot. 

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3 hours ago, kroywen said:

I have wondered if NYCFC will try to snatch up the Belmont Park stadium site that the Cosmos wanted to build on (as if a 2nd tier team was ever going to build a super-modern 20,000 seat stadium to begin with). It's not technically in New York City limits (literally a couple hundred feet away from the Queens border), and it doesn't have subway access, so I'm guessing they won't be interested.

 

I think the first one is a minor stumbling block, but the second is an absolute deal-killer.  No chance. 

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57 minutes ago, Nyk33 said:

 

There are so many different theories about what happened between the Cosmos & MLS. They range from the Cosmos being prima donnas about not wanting to be fully integrated into MLS's single entity structure so they could have more control over their intellectual property (for example have their own kit deal) causing MLS to give the finger to City Football Group outbidding the Cosmos for the second MLS spot. 

 

I think there's enough room for both of those to be true.

 

The Cosmos may well have come in trying to swing their weight around, and MLS found a deeper-pocketed partner.

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3 hours ago, kroywen said:

I have wondered if NYCFC will try to snatch up the Belmont Park stadium site that the Cosmos wanted to build on (as if a 2nd tier team was ever going to build a super-modern 20,000 seat stadium to begin with). It's not technically in New York City limits (literally a couple hundred feet away from the Queens border), and it doesn't have subway access, so I'm guessing they won't be interested.

 

I think the first one is a minor stumbling block, but the second is an absolute deal-killer.  No chance. 

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16 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

I think the first one is a minor stumbling block, but the second is an absolute deal-killer.  No chance. 

Yeah, any site without subway access is virtually worthless, even if LIRR does run there. I don't think, and certainly don't hope, that they'd build at the Belmont Park site. They're better off staying at Yankee Stadium than going to Belmont Park, honestly.

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