IceCap Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Basically. "Systems" only work in college, where you have a huge recruitment pool of young kids who you still "mould." With the NFL? You have a smaller talent pool consisting of grown men who have been playing football for decades. You're not getting them to completely change how they play to fit your "system." PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Basically. "Systems" only work in college, where you have a huge recruitment pool of young kids who you still "mould." With the NFL? You have a smaller talent pool consisting of grown men who have been playing football for decades. You're not getting them to completely change how they play to fit your "system."Yeah - I agree, that's why I don't get the fascination with coaches who have "systems" and try to do just that.That was part of Kelly's downfall - he gets stiffs like Sam Bradford and Murray and doesn't waiver on his tempo / read-option / shotgun offense. Same with Reid before him - always got crummy receivers that would catch little two-yard passes because supposedly that's what his uber-complicated "takes 5 seasons minimum to master" offense was all about. I really think coaches and owners outsmart themselves a lot, and I'll admit I've fallen for it in the past. Football is a game played by meatheads who bang heads with eachother. I'm tired of hearing about "innovators", "offensive geniuses", and guys who spend 23 hours/day gameplanning, just trying to find that one mismatch. It's not that hard, and I really hope that the Eagles go back to basics and just get a football guy and not a "guru".Jeff Lurie referred to Chip Kelly as a "senior executive" in the organization, and it made me want to punch the screen. He's a fraking football coach - his job is to instruct fat guys how to hit other fat guys. I know that's hyperbole, but it's closer to the truth then the joke of an image of him wearing a three-piece suit and going to a board meeting.Sports needs to go back to being what it is - sports - and not something more.*Note that I reserve the right to criticize the next Eagles coach for just being a meathead and not having a "system" and wish harm to him and his family because that's just how this works. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 My thoughts are that the only way Fisher leaves the Rams this offseason is if he resigns because he doesn't want to deal with another move. Personally, I want him to go, for the sake of the offense if nothing else. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalkPlugged-in source just said to keep an eye on Chip Kelly to the Browns.BAHA Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not really a question, but I'm sick and tired of hearing about what "system" a new coach is going to implement. Here's a system for you - get good football players, call good football plays, and just be good at football. I'm sick of hearing about "west coast", "tempo", "zone read", etc. - what ever happened to just being good? After decades of watching "system" football, I'm convinced that any team can beat any other if they just have good players and call plays that maximize those players' strengths, rather than having a system and trying to find players to match the system. I'd like to thank Al Davis for coming back from the dead to make this post. I agree. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd put good money on it that every single good coaching candidate the Niners talk to about their opening just laughs in their faces and hangs up on them. Any coach worth his clout isnt going to come to the Niners and work for those clowns. Just look at how badly they screwed up the Harbaugh situation AND the hiring of his replacement. I remember a few years ago before the Raiders hired Kiffin they offered the Job to Steve Sarkisian, and he basically laughed in their faces and hung up. He knew how much of a dumpster fire that front office was, and he wasnt going to touch that situation with a ten foot pole. Id actually argue that the Niners are even MORE of a dumpster fire at this point because Jed doesnt have the old and senile card to play.Niners fans need to just face it. Jed has completely ruined this franchise. Until he sells the team, gets run out of Santa Clara, or gets hit by a bus, the Niners are in for DECADES of frustration and mediocrity. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not really a question, but I'm sick and tired of hearing about what "system" a new coach is going to implement. Here's a system for you - get good football players, call good football plays, and just be good at football. I'm sick of hearing about "west coast", "tempo", "zone read", etc. - what ever happened to just being good? After decades of watching "system" football, I'm convinced that any team can beat any other if they just have good players and call plays that maximize those players' strengths, rather than having a system and trying to find players to match the system.I'd like to thank Al Davis for coming back from the dead to make this post. I agree.Jim Tomsula has been your "just football" guy all season. He's also been your beef and brats guy, your lawn tractor guy, and your pinewood derby guy. Belichek is the guy we all want but can't have. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd put good money on it that every single good coaching candidate the Niners talk to about their opening just laughs in their faces and hangs up on them. Any coach worth his clout isnt going to come to the Niners and work for those clowns. Just look at how badly they screwed up the Harbaugh situation AND the hiring of his replacement. I remember a few years ago before the Raiders hired Kiffin they offered the Job to Steve Sarkisian, and he basically laughed in their faces and hung up. He knew how much of a dumpster fire that front office was, and he wasnt going to touch that situation with a ten foot pole. Id actually argue that the Niners are even MORE of a dumpster fire at this point because Jed doesnt have the old and senile card to play.Niners fans need to just face it. Jed has completely ruined this franchise. Until he sells the team, gets run out of Santa Clara, or gets hit by a bus, the Niners are in for DECADES of frustration and mediocrity.Agreed with all of this. And still, amazingly, they were a play away from winning the Super Bowl. I bet Michigan wins the NCAA title (or at least makes the playoffs) before SF wins a division title. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Whoever hires Pagano is getting a damn good coach. There are also rumors that Miami is willing to part ways with Ryan Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 That's good because Ryan Tannehill only has two good games a year. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 With Black Monday a few days away, Ima decide who stays and goes:CLE Mike Pettine: SAFEDAL Jason Garrett: SAFEDET Jim Caldwell: FIREDIND Chuck Pagano: FIREDMIA Dan Campbell: FIREDNO Sean Payton: SAFENYG Tom Coughlin: FIREDPHI Chip Kelly: ALREADY SH1TCANNEDSD Mike McCoy: FIREDSF Jim Tomsula: SAFESTL Jeff Fisher: FIREDTB Lovie Smith: SAFETEN Mike Mularkey: FIREDI won't join in the speculation, but I found the first entry amusing as I read this... literally as NFL Network was reporting that Farmer is already gone as GM and Pettine will be fired as soon as Jimmy "the Joke" Haslam can find him.Niners fans need to just face it. Jed has completely ruined this franchise. Until he sells the team, gets run out of Santa Clara, or gets hit by a bus, the Niners are in for DECADES of frustration and mediocrity.Agreed. If there's anything Browns fans can take solace in, it's that despite their records the 49ers have actually somehow managed to become a more dysfunctional organization than the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalkPlugged-in source just said to keep an eye on Chip Kelly to the Browns.BAHAThat'd be funny if it happened, but I don't think it will. Kelly would much rather reunite w/ Mariota then get himself waist-deep in the hot mess that is the Browns just so he could have full control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp49 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 According to the Plain Dealer it's done. Petinne fired in Cleveland. Chip and Johnny Football deserve each other. I hope it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 According to the Plain Dealer it's done. Petinne fired in Cleveland.Chip and Johnny Football deserve each other. I hope it happens.Chip Kelly I don't think will end up there. I don't think even he would take that job. Pagano is rumored to have negative 1 billion interest in Cleveland (Chud is on his staff). The only way Gase ends up there is if he interviews poorly in Miami and Indy. I'm guessing they'll go with Teryl Austin and they'll take Bosa with the 2nd overall pick. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Basically. "Systems" only work in college, where you have a huge recruitment pool of young kids who you still "mould." With the NFL? You have a smaller talent pool consisting of grown men who have been playing football for decades. You're not getting them to completely change how they play to fit your "system."There's one proven system in today's NFL. Belichick's system of show up & do your damn job or else you're gone. Also, if you're about to demand a lot of money & your prime is over, you're gone. Next man up.Remarkable enough that the 2014 Patriots were the youngest team in NFL history to win a Super Bowl. One might think BB has his senior pets... maybe a handful each year sure, but no one is above the team concept. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Tomsula is gone. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Belichick's "system" is called "get the best quarterback ever". It makes it a lot easier to do all the other things he does. The threat of "or you're gone" doesn't work if it's a good player and they don't want to be there because you have some jabroni quarterback and aren't a SB contender all the time. Belichick is a great coach - and there's probably a lot of coaches that would fail even with Tom Brady - but modeling a "system" after the Patriots is futile unless you have Tom Brady. And unless you are the Patriots... you don't. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 There are also rumors that Miami is willing to part ways with Ryan Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Justin Rose @JRoseWXYZJust got word from source in Philly that Chip Kelly is *potentially* flying into Detroit tonight for a *potential* interview with the #Lions Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 That's interesting... because he's not in Phila. anymore - here's him, his girlfriend, and dog boarding a plane back to New Hampshire last Wednesday: "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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