NFL Offseason '16

[CreamSoda]

34 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

if the next president gets all of the leaders in the Middle East to agree to peace and is going to fly over there for the historic treaty signing which will cement his place in world history, then right before he gets on AF1 he's tapped on the shoulder and someone says "sorry mr (or madam) president - we've exhumed Abe Lincoln and actually made him president again so he can get this signed. Sure, he freed the slaves, but this is a chance for him to have one last monumental accomplishment." you don't think POTUS would go ballistic? I mean it's Abe freaking Lincoln - he's pretty much universally considered an all-time great. 

 

 

Wow.  That is exactly the same situation.  You nailed it. 

[FiddySicks]

5 minutes ago, kcchiefsfan said:

Don't think I'm not thrilled and wouldn't have done the same thing if the money was much better if I were him. I'm just saying, he didn't deserve to play in the playoffs and seemed to let his emotions take him away from the defending SB champ and a historically good D with a coach he knows for a completely new (and worse) situation.

 

Is there any confirmation that Denver offered him that much cash? They seem to have only "wanted" Brock to return to save face publicly. The Texans, for a few reasons, just looked at him differently, and I'm assuming they offered him more. Nothing wrng with that, and I think both sides are ultimately better off. 

[JTernup]

1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Is there any confirmation that Denver offered him that much cash? They seem to have only "wanted" Brock to return to save face publicly. The Texans, for a few reasons, just looked at him differently, and I'm assuming they offered him more. Nothing wrng with that, and I think both sides are ultimately better off. 

I have no idea, I can't imagine they were willing to offer him anything remotely close to what he's getting in Houston. Money wise this may turn out to be great for Denver but I can't see them playing well next season with any of the available options so in that regard they are definitely not better off.

[FiddySicks]

1 minute ago, kcchiefsfan said:

I have no idea, I can't imagine they were willing to offer him anything remotely close to what he's getting in Houston. Money wise this may turn out to be great for Denver but I can't see them playing well next season with any of the available options so in that regard they are definitely not better off.

 

In the short term, you're probably right. But they could also be stuck paying $18 million a year for the next five seasons to a guy who ends up being downright AWFUL. Signing backups to these huge deals after five minutes of solid play doesn't usually work out. In fact, has it ever? 

 

[CS85]

If I'm the Broncos, I'm definitely salty, but the guy started 7 games.  Houston paid a steep, steep price for a guy who could absolutely tank.  Brock made the wrong decision, IMHO, but not because of any due loyalty to the Broncos, but he had success under Kubiak and with some of those weapons.  Texans are a wild card that could end in disaster if they don't make the playoffs and likely win a playoff game.  Who knows. 

[BBTV]

So the Eagles told Chase Daniels that it's an open competition for the starting job.  That, coupled with the revelation of Bradford's trade-friendly contract indicates (at least to me) that they don't have any intention of holding on to him and are planning to dangle him to whoever lost out on the other FA QBs.

 

If Elway thinks they can realistically win again next season, does he pick up the phone and call the Eagles now?  It's a ton of cash, but he's better than the other options and is only on a 2-year deal that's breakable after 1.  Totally my speculation here, but the Eagles would be looking for a #2, since they don't have one this year.

 

[IceCap]

26 minutes ago, kcchiefsfan said:

Don't think I'm not thrilled and wouldn't have done the same thing if the money was much better if I were him. I'm just saying, he didn't deserve to play in the playoffs and seemed to let his emotions take him away from the defending SB champ and a historically good D with a coach he knows for a completely new (and worse) situation.

He got a huge pay increase. Taking less money to play for "the defending champs" would have been letting his emotions get the best of him. Seems like he made a sound and logical financial decision. 

[CreamSoda]

11 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

He got a huge pay increase. Taking less money to play for "the defending champs" would have been letting his emotions get the best of him. Seems like he made a sound and logical financial decision. 

 

Not really.  

 

If he sucks and under performs he won't get that next contract.   He was set up to succeed with Denver. 

[BBTV]

 You don't take a lesser deal in order to get paid later when you can get PAID now.   I mean as explained by others, he hasn't actually done anything so there's a good chance he flops and never gets that second deal. Unless you're a guy coming off an injury that wants to sign a one-year deal vs a low multi-year one just to show that you're healthy and then cash in (Jeremy Maclin for example) you don't turn down money that's thrown your way. 

 

If the difference was a few dollars then sure. You go with the better team. It's not likely that the difference was a few dollars. There's simply no rational way to argue against his leaving Denver unless their offer was within a couple percentage points of Houstons. 

[IceCap]

14 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

 

Not really.  

 

If he sucks and under performs he won't get that next contract.   He was set up to succeed with Denver. 

Will he need that next contract though?

Think of it this way. If he sucks? Well he sucks. No one's going to pay him a big money contract if that happens. So instead he's decided to take the big money contact when teams are willing to offer him one.

 

This is a sport where careers can be over in an instant and you run the risk of dealing with serious health issues when you retire. I don't blame him for making as much money as he can in as short a time as possible. You or I would do the same thing in his position. 

I'm not blaming Denver for not offering him that much money. I'm just saying Brock was smart to take it when another team did offer it.

[FiddySicks]

I think the average NFL career is, what, 3 to 5 seasons? You wanna maximize your current pay as much as you can in an industry like that.

[Cujo]

I get that Brock had to take the money that was being offered. Houston grossly overpaid and Denver wouldn't come close to that. Most of us would do the exact same.

 

But what rubs me the wrong way is the crying on the way out the door. Denver was incredibly good to Brock over the past four years, grooming him to be Peyton's successor. He even contributed to a Super Bowl championship. But to complain about going back to the bench (which turned out to be the right call) and basically ignoring Elway because of it, shows what kind of class he truly has. ?

[dfwabel]

Brock had to take the additional guaranteed money and moving not to pay the 4.63% Colorado state income tax.

 

Plus, while Tempe Police didn't file charges for any of those involved, he still may have to deal with League Office after putting his hands on that woman last weekend.

[FiddySicks]

5 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Brock had to take the additional guaranteed money and moving not to pay the 4.63% Colorado state income tax.

 

Plus, while Tempe Police didn't file charges for any of those involved, he still may have to deal with League Office after putting his hands on that woman last weekend.

 

I doubt it. It looked bad, and the idiot who filmed it and kept screaming the "He hit a damn woman!" BS certainly didn't help things, but it seems like he was basically trying to get a couple of drunken Scottsdale barskags away from his wife. Most around the league seem to be commending him for showing some restraint and not teeing off on the dude who shoved him from behind. 

 

 

And it's the Scottsdale (Not Tempe) bar scene (Tempe is sort of mild in comparison). People act like drunken fools just about every night down there. 

[CreamSoda]

23 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

Will he need that next contract though?

Think of it this way. If he sucks? Well he sucks. No one's going to pay him a big money contract if that happens. So instead he's decided to take the big money contact when teams are willing to offer him one.

 

This is a sport where careers can be over in an instant and you run the risk of dealing with serious health issues when you retire. I don't blame him for making as much money as he can in as short a time as possible. You or I would do the same thing in his position. 

I'm not blaming Denver for not offering him that much money. I'm just saying Brock was smart to take it when another team did offer it.

 

He was offered $16M by Denver.  It's not like they were half way below Houston. 

 

He took the money now, but that doesn't mean he made the right finical choice.  Denver is much better organization than Houston and would have been set up better for future pay days as well. 

 

Oh wells.  Like I said I wasn't even a fan.  Hopefully they draft Cook!!

[Dynasty]

I think I recall saying that Brock wouldn't be the future QB of the Broncos (granted, it was an overreaction at the time and I'll admit that). I'd still like to see how he fares in Houston, though I'm not very optimistic about it.

 

EDIT: I just saw that Houston nabbed Lamar Miller as well. Miami didn't know how to use him correctly so let's see if Houston can (I'm also not very optimistic about that).

[FiddySicks]

Knowing the savvy that Elway has, I'd be SHOCKED if the money he's getting in Houston isn't much less incentive-laden than it would've been in Denver. 

[IceCap]

36 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

 

He was offered $16M by Denver.  It's not like they were half way below Houston. 

 

He took the money now, but that doesn't mean he made the right finical choice.  Denver is much better organization than Houston and would have been set up better for future pay days as well. 

 

Oh wells.  Like I said I wasn't even a fan.  Hopefully they draft Cook!!

As Bucfan stated, it's possible that there was significantly more guaranteed money from Houston than from Denver.

You also keep saying that he would have been set up to succeed in Denver, but then claim that he made the wrong decision because he's screwed out of future contracts if he bombs in Houston. If Brock sucks than he sucks. Being on the Broncos won't make him not suck if he's already not that good. A team is offering him a big money contract right now. Who knows if any will be willing to do that in five years? He's smart to take it. 

 

51 minutes ago, Cujo said:

But what rubs me the wrong way is the crying on the way out the door. Denver was incredibly good to Brock over the past four years, grooming him to be Peyton's successor. 

Until they wouldn't actually let him be Peyton's successor. You could say that this upcoming season was going to be the start of his "era" and he was too bitter to realise it but...

 

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He even contributed to a Super Bowl championship. But to complain about going back to the bench (which turned out to be the right call) and basically ignoring Elway because of it, shows what kind of class he truly has.

...the right call? Come on now. Let's not act like Peyton Manning returned to Career Prime Manning for one last playoff run. Manning was old, slow, and broken down for all of the past season. His sabbatical allowed him to rest up long enough to come off the bench and game manage while a monster defence went out and won a Super Bowl.

As for "ignoring Elway"? Elway basically told the Colts to piss up a rope when they drafted him. So karma and all of that.

I'm not saying John Elway deserves to be spit on, but I'm not heartbroken over a young up-and-coming talent not giving him the time of day. Especially not after being benched because Elway's good ole' boy buddy wanted one more shot at a Super Bowl championship.

 

It's not like Elway needs Brock's respect either. He's one of the all-time greats, a two-time Super Bowl champion, a millionaire, and now he's a Super Bowl-winning executive. Brock Osweiler didn't show him proper respect? Oh well. He's fine.

[Crabcake]

2 hours ago, Crabcake47 said:

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Thanks for setting me straight Cap. Lost my head there for a second

[IceCap]

2 minutes ago, Crabcake47 said:

Thanks for setting me straight Cap. Lost my head there for a second

Heh. I just don't want to have to go through *that* again