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6 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Ok, so, I really don't mean any disrespect by saying this, but you sort of come across as someone who hasn't ever, or maybe even isn't old enough, to have ever worked a career-oriented job. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But when you're trying to plan out the long-term sustainability of your finances and how they're going to effect your future working life (sometimes even decades down the road), you have a LOT of personal things to take into account beyond "loyalty" or "brand reputation". Now sure, those things definitely have their place in the working world. But when you're trying to plan out things like how you're going to be able to live for the next twenty years, pay off future expenses, plan for your kid's education, investments, potential future health concerns, ect, all of that talk about brand loyalty and reputation is just that. Talk. Especially in an industry where the paychecks (although large) are few and at some points even far between, you can basically get cut at any point for any reason, and the health risks are high, those kinds of concerns are only magnified. 

 

I know you're a Broncos fan, and really, I get why you may be upset. But you're letting that get in the way of the reality of the situation a bit. 

 

I have worked in a career for the last 7 years.   I know that I have a lot to learn and value my elders.   I have taken their jobs as well.  

 

Brock got paid.  That's fine and I have no problem with that.  

 

Just show some respect for the legend that you got to work for and don't act like you are bigger than the game. 

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Not sold on Colin Kaepernick. Not sold on him at all. At best, he'd be a one-year bandaid until a young QB can be developed or something better comes along. Why would Elway give up a second round pick to get Kaep **who last time we saw was being benched for Blaine Freaking Gabbert!** when he could just use that 2nd rounder to draft a QB or help move up in the draft for an even better one?

 

Not understand these reports and/or Elway's logic here.

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2 minutes ago, Cujo said:

Not sold on Colin Kaepernick. Not sold on him at all. At best, he'd be a one-year bandaid until a young QB can be developed or something better comes along. Why would Elway give up a second round pick to get Kaep **who last time we saw was being benched for Blaine Freaking Gabbert!** when he could just use that 2nd rounder to draft a QB or help move up in the draft for an even better one?

 

Yeah...  I would rather draft a QB.  Not s Kaep fan.  

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2 minutes ago, Cujo said:

Not sold on Colin Kaepernick. Not sold on him at all. At best, he'd be a one-year bandaid until a young QB can be developed or something better comes along. Why would Elway give up a second round pick to get Kaep **who last time we saw was being benched for Blaine Freaking Gabbert!** when he could just use that 2nd rounder to draft a QB or help move up in the draft for an even better one?

Shouldn't be sold on him as Kaepernick has been under the knife three times since November 2015.

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Kaep was once a play away from winning the Super Bowl, and a play away from returning to another. I think he was dragged down by Lego Stadium, a recently-homeless (but good guy nonetheless) coach, and the worst ownership in American sports.

 

Some guys need a change of scenery to rediscover how good they are. I think Kaepernick fits that mold. Him in Denver could be incredible.

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One last shot I wanna take at Osweiler before we move off the subject...

 

Brock can't tolerate getting benched? He just signed on to play for a coach who benched last year's Week 1 starter 30 minutes into the season.  

 

At least he's going to a town that doesn't care all that much about football. A guy with "feelings" like that could never handle the spotlight of a New York, Philly, or yea, even Denver.

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6 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

 

I have worked in a career for the last 7 years.   I know that I have a lot to learn and value my elders.   I have taken their jobs as well.  

 

Brock got paid.  That's fine and I have no problem with that.  

 

Just show some respect for the legend that you got to work for and don't act like you are bigger than the game. 

 

This is all nonsense.  He's well within his right to be pissed over what happened and hold it against the organization if he so chooses.  As I said, I think he played about average and the offense was not a great deal less stagnant with him at the helm but he didn't do anything that justified him losing the job considering how bad Peyton was earlier in the season. 

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3 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

This is all nonsense.  He's well within his right to be pissed over what happened and hold it against the organization if he so chooses.  As I said, I think he played about average and the offense was not a great deal less stagnant with him at the helm but he didn't do anything that justified him losing the job considering how bad Peyton was earlier in the season. 

 

Regardless of his bruised feelings, I feel Brock would still have joined Houston with the offer he was given. For a kid who's never really seen money before, he's not going to leave a possible $8M more on the table, and nobody blames him for that. The only thing his supposed temper-tantrum did was turn Denver fans from "Thanks and good luck" to "Die Brocky Die!!!"

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3 minutes ago, Cujo said:

One last shot I wanna take at Osweiler before we move off the subject...

 

Brock can't tolerate getting benched? He just signed on to play for a coach who benched last year's Week 1 starter 30 minutes into the season.  

 

At least he's going to a town that doesn't care all that much about football. A guy with "feelings" like that could never handle the spotlight of a New York, Philly, or yea, even Denver.

 

I don't know about that.  I don't want a guy that can tolerate being benched.  I want a guy that wants to play and is confident enough in himself to expect to play and be pissed when he's not playing.  

 

Seriously - waht do you guys want him to say - "yeah, I really enjoyed playing but I'm totally OK just watching as someone else that probably isn't as good as me right now gets to go out there and have fun and maybe win games and get the glory.  That's cool, I'll just chill and wait".

 

F that.  F it.  That guy will ride a bench forever.  I want a guy that is willing to murder the player ahead of him on the depth chart, or at least be smart enough to pay someone to do the killing.  Show me a guy in any profession that's cool with getting passed over and I'll show you a p-ssy who's wife I'm going to bang because he's not strong enough to keep her satisfied.  

 

You want to argue that he should have kept it inside and handled it more professionally?  OK, I get that - though I've seen no evidence of any unprofessionalism.  But this is freaking sports.  He's not a "professional" - he's a dumb jock, just like the rest of them.  They're paid because they're the strongest and the "hungriest".  Don't hate a guy for being what he's being paid to be.  Seriously - it's beyond silly.  

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7 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

Kaep was once a play away from winning the Super Bowl, and a play away from returning to another. I think he was dragged down by Lego Stadium, a recently-homeless (but good guy nonetheless) coach, and the worst ownership in American sports.

 

Some guys need a change of scenery to rediscover how good they are. I think Kaepernick fits that mold. Him in Denver could be incredible.

 

He's definitely a really big risk at this point, but if Denver can get him for a reasonable price (NOT a second rounder, :censored: off, York/Baalke), he may be worth the risk as his upside is still relatively high. And while you can't put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Niners organization (he has to own up to some of his shortcomings, no doubt), they did kinda leave him (well, the entire team, really) hung out to dry more than once these past two seasons. He could be a great fit in that type of weather as well, as he went to college in Reno, which has somewhat comparable weather to Denver. 

 

 

I mean, y'all know I'm shamelessly biased when it comes to Kaepernick, and will support him even if he ends up with the stank ass Browns, but there are probably worse options out there, especially if he's not asked to do too much. 

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4 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Regardless of his bruised feelings, I feel Brock would still have joined Houston with the offer he was given. For a kid who's never really seen money before, he's not going to leave a possible $8M more on the table, and nobody blames him for that. The only thing his supposed temper-tantrum did was turn Denver fans from "Thanks and good luck" to "Die Brocky Die!!!"

 

Yeah, he definitely would be Houston-bound regardless.  I get why the Broncos wanted to make the move to Peyton for the playoffs but doing so pretty much suggested that the Broncos weren't that committed to Osweiler going forward or were at least willing to lose him.

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10 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

Yeah, he definitely would be Houston-bound regardless.  I get why the Broncos wanted to make the move to Peyton for the playoffs but doing so pretty much suggested that the Broncos weren't that committed to Osweiler going forward or were at least willing to lose him.

 

You all seriously under estimate experience and the ability to call a game.  

 

It would have been a terrible decision to go with Brock over Manning during the playoffs.  The Broncos HAD to beat SD and the jump start Peyton provided got that done.  

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21 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I don't know about that.  I don't want a guy that can tolerate being benched.  I want a guy that wants to play and is confident enough in himself to expect to play and be pissed when he's not playing.... 

 

Of course you want a guy on your team who strives for excellence. You want 53 guys like that! However.....

 

Brock played pretty damn well for essentially being a "rookie", but did show some sluggishness in a number of halves. After one of those sluggish halves, Coach Kubiak wanted a spark and went back to a finally healthy Peyton. And as we all know, it worked! 

 

Instead of knowing his place as a "rookie", his benching didn't drive Brock to excel, as it would have for most players. Instead, it created an unhealthy grudge. No drive, just hurt feelings on Brock's part. Lucky for him this was his free agent year, or else he'd have had to dealt with it like a man.

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31 minutes ago, Cujo said:

One last shot I wanna take at Osweiler before we move off the subject...

 

Brock can't tolerate getting benched? He just signed on to play for a coach who benched last year's Week 1 starter 30 minutes into the season.  

 

At least he's going to a town that doesn't care all that much about football. A guy with "feelings" like that could never handle the spotlight of a New York, Philly, or yea, even Denver.

That coach also traded for a dude who when didn't win the starting job, went on a bender and STILL kept his job while missing tram flights.

 

OTOH, the Texans defense didn't lose as many startets as the Broncos have in the last 48 hours and from his HC success and prevoius resume, Romeo Crennel is essentially "black Wade Phillips".  $hitty HC, but great assistant/DC.

 

Brock wouldn't be with the defense which won Super Bowl 50.

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15 minutes ago, See Red said:

 I get why the Broncos wanted to make the move to Peyton for the playoffs but doing so pretty much suggested that the Broncos weren't that committed to Osweiler going forward or were at least willing to lose him.

 

It's not like Brock was light the world on fire. Let's not forget his poor halves in crucial games vs Pittsburgh and pushover teams Oakland and San Diego.

 

But let's not pretend Denver wasn't committed. They were willing to pony up $16M/year -- a hell of a lot for a kid with 5 career wins and only one 300 yard passing game.

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24 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

Yeah, he definitely would be Houston-bound regardless.  I get why the Broncos wanted to make the move to Peyton for the playoffs but doing so pretty much suggested that the Broncos weren't that committed to Osweiler going forward or were at least willing to lose him.

Or, the Broncos were trying to lower Oswiler's value because they were fairly certain this was Peyton's last season....

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Yeah, I'm a big Brock fan, but he played like 20 quarters for Denver. And before that he spent a good chunk of his college career looking like a bit of a derpy idiot with some massively underachieving Sun Devils teams (Despite the records he set). 

 

And $16 million a year is a VERY good offer, but it seems like Denver did that to kinda save face with the fans. They KNEW some schlub of a team would give him more. This way, they could say, "Well, at least we tried!", and if he came back, I assume the deal was structured in a way that made it less of a cap hit if he bombed out. 

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14 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

It would have been a terrible decision to go with Brock over Manning during the playoffs.  The Broncos HAD to beat SD and the jump start Peyton provided got that done.  

 

Denver gambled by going back to Peyton. They captured the Super Bowl. They lost Brock. I still call that a win for them.

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When the Eagles signed Sam Bradford to his two year, $23M minimum deal, it changed everything.

 

 

So "the QB agent #1", Tom Condon (Bradford and Peyton) gave leverage to "the QB agent #2", Jimmy Sexton (Osweiler and Fitzpatrick) much more leverage.

 

Peyton wanted to play, but Elway (correctly) knew Peyton was no more than a $7M QB and Brock couldn't sit on the bench. Or Elway wanted Brock to kick rocks.

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5 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Denver gambled by going back to Peyton. They captured the Super Bowl. They lost Brock. I still call that a win for them.

 

You take championships every time.  No regerts

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