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22 minutes ago, hawk36 said:

I think it makes perfect sense to change a uniform with a move across the country and then with a move into a new, state of the art, stadium. I'd doubt there would be too many other instances when that would come into play. NFL lacked common sense on the issue. 

It really seems you are the only one thinking this way.

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Everyone's blaming the Rams, but putting aside whether they should institute the re-brand now or when the new stadium opens....all the NFL has to do is let them wear blue and white uniforms in the interim. 

 

All they have to do is let them wear basic white/blue uniforms for a couple of years and they won't let them.

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On 5/16/2018 at 5:31 PM, hawk36 said:

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20 hours ago, Cosmic said:

I won't go so far as to call the NFL an intelligent entity, but THE RAMS COULD HAVE CHANGED UNIFORMS WHEN THEY MOVED. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO. THEY COULD HAVE BROUGHT BACK THE THROWBACKS ANY YEAR SINCE THEN, OR ANY YEAR GOING FORWARD. THEY DON'T WANT TO (deal with the consequences of that decision).

The point is that there really isn't any good reason they shouldn't be able to do both. Under normal circumstances, the five-year rule makes perfect sense. Absolutely it does. But these aren't normal circumstances. The Rams should be able to wear their throwbacks and also rebrand when they open the stadium. Hell, I can't really even think of a good reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do both. 

 

If the NFL is worried about precedent then they really don't have to be!  They'll be able to defend their five-year rule by asking any inquiring team the following question: are you moving anywhere? 

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2 hours ago, threesox84 said:

The point is that there really isn't any good reason they shouldn't be able to do both. Under normal circumstances, the five-year rule makes perfect sense. Absolutely it does. But these aren't normal circumstances. The Rams should be able to wear their throwbacks and also rebrand when they open the stadium. Hell, I can't really even think of a good reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do both. 

 

If the NFL is worried about precedent then they really don't have to be!  They'll be able to defend their five-year rule by asking any inquiring team the following question: are you moving anywhere? 

Only in the Rams’ minds is opening a new stadium an exigent circumstance that requires a new uniform set. I’m sure plenty of teams have done it (my Sabres, for one), but there is no need to match up new uniforms with a new building. Five years is not a long time.

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16 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

Only in the Rams’ minds is opening a new stadium an exigent circumstance that requires a new uniform set. I’m sure plenty of teams have done it (my Sabres, for one), but there is no need to match up new uniforms with a new building. Five years is not a long time.

Right, by no means do they have to bring out new uniforms with the new stadium. It's just that they really seem to want to, and I can't think of any reason why they shouldn't be able to and also wear their throwbacks in the meantime.

 

The league makes the rules, they can absolutely bend them. These are not normal circumstances. Teams don't often pull a U-turn back to a city they called home for 50 years, much less to the very stadium in which said throwbacks originated. 

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39 minutes ago, threesox84 said:

Right, by no means do they have to bring out new uniforms with the new stadium. It's just that they really seem to want to, and I can't think of any reason why they shouldn't be able to and also wear their throwbacks in the meantime.

 

The league makes the rules, they can absolutely bend them. These are not normal circumstances. Teams don't often pull a U-turn back to a city they called home for 50 years, much less to the very stadium in which said throwbacks originated. 

I just think five years isn't a big ask. There's an air of wastefulness in my mind. I can't quite find the right simile, but a uniform change is supposed to last for at least a little while and it's weird to have a team change knowing from the beginning they will just change again in three years. Like a wedding where the couple is telling the priest at the ceremony that they'll be getting divorced in five years. Yeah, people get divorced all the time, but there's supposed to be the idea that things will last at the beginning. It was a unique circumstance, though. If I were the NFL, I might have approved the two switches, provided that they kept the home throwbacks as an alt for x number of years.

 

But, we don't even know if the Rams asked to change when they moved. It's possible they asked to change immediately and also with the stadium, were told no, and that was when they decided to stick with the St. Louis look. But we don't have any evidence for that. As far as we know, the team just didn't think it was important enough to switch immediately upon the move. At this point, I'd tell them to switch immediately and wait five years, or wait until the stadium opens and stop throwing a visual temper tantrum in the meantime.

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35 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

I just think five years isn't a big ask. There's an air of wastefulness in my mind. I can't quite find the right simile, but a uniform change is supposed to last for at least a little while and it's weird to have a team change knowing from the beginning they will just change again in three years. Like a wedding where the couple is telling the priest at the ceremony that they'll be getting divorced in five years. Yeah, people get divorced all the time, but there's supposed to be the idea that things will last at the beginning.

I actually agree with everything you're saying. I appreciate the five-year rule and wish the NCAA would follow suit with something similar. I hate the Oregonification of football uniforms in college and am glad the NFL doesn't seem too interested in following suit. I like uniforms to be uniform, not a blank template for shoe companies to peacock on twitter.

 

That said, I think what the Rams are asking is just so damn cool that I can't see why the NFL won't just let 'em do it. Again, these aren't just any throwbacks, these were uniforms born in the Coliseum itself.

 

Believe it or not there are still quite a few Rams fans in LA that never really got over them leaving the Coliseum in the first place (my Dad is one of them). Indeed the Rams weren't really all that happy in Anaheim themselves and I've read that they were contemplating moving back into the Coliseum in the late '80s/early '90s if the Rai-duhs ever actually followed up on one of their 8,000,000,000 threats (might be underestimating that figure a bit) to leave. If I weren't so damned lazy I'd find the article. To some wearing those uniforms in that stadium would be like righting a wrong going on 40 years old. 

 

I can also see why the Rams wouldn't simply want to carry over those 1973 Coliseum uniforms into the new stadium too, though. Once those 1980 demons are exorcised it makes sense for the franchise to fully and permanently rebrand once they reach their new home. 

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On 5/11/2018 at 10:02 AM, Mac the Knife said:

 

(2)  Going back to blue and white is a ridiculous idea that should be resolutely resisted at all levels.  Virtually no one alive who's a Rams fan remembers going to games and seeing the blue and white, and reverting to it is akin to the Philadelphia Phillies going to those all-crimson uniforms they wore for one night:  blue and white was a blip on the team's historical radar.

I mean... the '60s and early '70s were a long time ago, but not THAT long ago. Sheesh. My Dad is 72 and vividly remembers going to see those Fearsome Foursome teams play at the Coliseum. Well, I suppose he probably should remember as he was in his late teens/early 20s when the Rams wore the white horns. 

 

Needless to say not "virtually" every Rams fan born in the '40s, '50s and early '60s is dead. And nothing about Roman Gabriel and the Fearsome Foursome says "blip" to LA Rams fans. I think the white horns were a decent compromise absent either the Rams abandoning their rebrand plans or the NFL coming to its senses. 

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You’re still framing this as if it was always a part of the Rams plans to wear the throwbacks as the primary home look up until 2020. It wasn’t. If they were really invested in wanting to show off the throwbacks that much, then we would’ve heard them complaining about it before week 6 of the 2017 season. They never petitioned the league until the Jaguars game, after they got put on blast for wearing their navy monstrosity against the Cowboys. This isn’t about the league stopping the Rams from having their fun with their throwbacks; this is about the Rams crying to the shield to help them cover their behinds when their blue jersey exposes how naive their interim tweaks were. This is the Rams bed to lie in.

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There are two ways to look at this:

 

1. The Rams are short-sighted idiots that were told the rules, decided not to make the change immediately, tinkered inexplicably with what they had, then are trying to blame everyone but themselves for being total turds.

 

2. The wrong way.

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9 minutes ago, Gupti said:

You’re still framing this as if it was always a part of the Rams plans to wear the throwbacks as the primary home look up until 2020. It wasn’t. 

I'm not really framing it as anything. I don't care if the team asked to wear the throwbacks in 2016 because that's what they're asking for right now. It's what we've wanted all along and now the team is officially asking the league for it, so I think it would be really awesome of the league to allow them. It'd be downright swell, even. 

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14 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

There are two ways to look at this:

 

1. The Rams are short-sighted idiots that were told the rules, decided not to make the change immediately, tinkered inexplicably with what they had, then are trying to blame everyone but themselves for being total turds.

Not doubting you because I've heard this so many times, but has anyone verified that the league did in fact offer the Rams a chance to change their uniforms in 2016? All I remember and all I can find from that time is the team saying it was required to give the league two years' notice and that they had missed the window for 2016, meaning 2017 was the earliest they could file and 2019 the earliest they could change. 

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1 hour ago, threesox84 said:

Not doubting you because I've heard this so many times, but has anyone verified that the league did in fact offer the Rams a chance to change their uniforms in 2016? All I remember and all I can find from that time is the team saying it was required to give the league two years' notice and that they had missed the window for 2016, meaning 2017 was the earliest they could file and 2019 the earliest they could change. 

Someone posted the league's uniform policy, and it listed relocation as a reason why a team might change without the required notice.

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7 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

Someone posted the league's uniform policy, and it listed relocation as a reason why a team might change without the required notice.

 

Right... there's already a provision in place for relocation.  So the NFL is already willing to bend their rules for cases like this.  What some of you seem to be asking is for them to bend the rules for a team that decided to wait a few years, then decided to fiddle with some parts of their uniform, then decided that sucked and the want to wear an alt full time, and on top of all this, they still want to debut something brand new in 2 years.  I can see why the NFL would just say no... at this point they really should just make their permanent move, and stop farting around. And if they still plan to wait for their new stadium, that's fine... it really won't be that long.

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1 hour ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

Right... there's already a provision in place for relocation.  So the NFL is already willing to bend their rules for cases like this.  What some of you seem to be asking is for them to bend the rules for a team that decided to wait a few years, then decided to fiddle with some parts of their uniform, then decided that sucked and the want to wear an alt full time, and on top of all this, they still want to debut something brand new in 2 years.  I can see why the NFL would just say no... at this point they really should just make their permanent move, and stop farting around. And if they still plan to wait for their new stadium, that's fine... it really won't be that long.

Exactly. The uniform rules are in place for specific reasons, and the Rams want special permission to subvert them only for their own selfish marketing purposes (NOT for normal relocation purposes, which was never the issue since they’d already been wearing the St Louis set forever anyways)? That opens the floodgates way harder than the league should be forced to deal with. How the Rams think they can complain about the league here is beyond me.

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2 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

Right... there's already a provision in place for relocation.  So the NFL is already willing to bend their rules for cases like this.  What some of you seem to be asking is for them to bend the rules for a team that decided to wait a few years, then decided to fiddle with some parts of their uniform, then decided that sucked and the want to wear an alt full time, and on top of all this, they still want to debut something brand new in 2 years.  I can see why the NFL would just say no... at this point they really should just make their permanent move, and stop farting around. And if they still plan to wait for their new stadium, that's fine... it really won't be that long.

 

Yes, this is the biggest issue here. I think the Rams didn't understand how much the fans love royal blue and yellow, as the Rams were doing surveys asking them if they preferred that to blue and white a year ago. But the biggest reason the Rams didn't change to the throwbacks when they moved is that they wanted to maximize their merchandise sales. People bought navy gear, because that was the current stuff. They also bought Mitchell & Ness throwbacks, modern Nike throwback merchandise, and then white/navy jerseys Gurley jerseys along with throwback ones. The Rams wanted to do like the Brewers (fittingly, with the same exact colors on both sets). They wanted people to spend money on two sets of crap. Then they wanted people to have to buy all new stuff in five years with new logos, while also still being able to buy the current throwbacks, which they'll still wear at that time. The only thing that really changed is the Rams finally realized how awful the STL set was with Nike's matte fabrics and then made it worse by changing the helmets and pants. If they would have settled for looking good from day 1, they wouldn't be selling navy crap now or new stuff in a few years.

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6 hours ago, Cosmic said:

Someone posted the league's uniform policy, and it listed relocation as a reason why a team might change without the required notice.

Gotcha, thanks. Does anyone know if that exception expires after the first offseason? Would make sense if it does, since you only relocate once. 

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5 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

 

at this point they really should just make their permanent move, and stop farting around. 

Are they still allowed to? 

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18 minutes ago, threesox84 said:

Are they still allowed to? 

 

They've been wearing this jersey since the early 00's... they can change any season they want.

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