kroywen Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, 2001mark said: Sometimes when ppl talk about Rose, I wonder if he'd moved to a cabin in North Dakota & kept his mouth shut all these years, he might already be in the HOF. I think it would have depended on when/if he admitted to betting on baseball. If he admitted it and apologized in the 90s, and lived a quiet life away from the game? Yeah, I think there's a really good chance the HOF would've lifted the rule against banned players, so as to make him eligible. He's done nothing but damage his chances by consistently putting his foot in his mouth, hanging around casinos, and making his life into one long (and sad) publicity stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 P.K. Subban Seeing all the good things he does for the city turned it from bad to good. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unocal Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I used to really not like NASCAR's Busch Brothers. Thought they came off initially as smarmy. But I grew to respect their driving abilities- the way they've matured over the years got me to respect them. And Kyle coming back from his injury when he could have just written off the year and winning the title was awe-inspiring. I was flat-out rooting for Kyle at Homestead and was thrilled to see him finally win the big one. Kurt, whom I rooted against once upon a time, ended up being the driver I wanted to meet more than any other when I went to Chase Fest at Chicago in September. I've gone from rooting against them to now being an unabashed Busch Brothers fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycumbee19 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Lump me in with the Brady haters. I liked him. He was a Michigan man. But now, NOPE!!! Too whiny and too cheaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almighty Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 On 21/1/2016 at 7:00 AM, nash61 said: Lebron James. When he first broke into the league, I was all "this is cool" (I was an 11-year-old kid) To see someone come straight out of high-school and be that good, I thought he was pretty cool. Then came The Decision, and the circus that came with it. Do I fault Lebron for leaving the Cavs? Not really. However, I do fault him for the crap that came with it. The hour-long ESPN show, promising eight championships to Miami. Since then, I have maintained that when Lebron won his eighth championship with Miami, I would respect him again. Then he went back to Cleveland and his chances of that went away. Do I respect him as a great basketball player? Yes, one of the all-time greats. I just don't respect the ego that goes with it. Agree with this, once he left a team again that had some adversity (if you can call losing in the finals adversity) then all the goodwill he built in Miami vanishes. Most people had forgot the decision and had embraced his work with the Heat, folks were entertained by Lebron, Wade and Bosh, it was showtime basketball again, and then he screws it all up by leaving again. And now look at the mess . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I thought Cam Newton was a major tool when he came out of college. Now, he's shown a lot of maturity and has become an exceptional leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 0:48 AM, FinsUp1214 said: This one still surprises me, but one of my biggest ones is Kurt Warner (for the better). I went the opposite way: I liked Kurt Warner, right up to the point where he became a little too preachy and overtly religious on television for my taste. From that point on I still didn't pay too much attention to him, but somewhat actively pulled against his teams when they got too close to winning a championship. I vascillate on Jerry Jones. When he bought the Cowboys in 1989 (hard to imagine that in two years, he'll have owned the team longer than the Murchisons did), his dismissal of Tom Landry and most of the old regime bothered me - not because I was anything close to a Dallas Cowboys fan (I wasn't), but because I thought it crass. Ultimately I would greatly admire his business sense, however, seeing him take what was already a significant brand within the NFL and put its value on steroids. What tarnishes his image in my view is his ongoing, Steinbrenner-like meddling, thinking he's the smartest football mind in the organization, another incarnation of Al Davis. He isn't, nor ever will be, and his team suffers as a consequence. One guy I completely reversed my mind on? Andrew McCutcheon. Early on in his career I had him pegged as a bratty, Dave Parker-like figure (Pittsburghers who were around in the late 70's will know what I mean by that): a "me" guy rather than a "we" guy. But he's since demonstrated that he's not all about himself, and while I think he'll someday leave the Pirates and break a lot of people's hearts, he's far from a bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimReaper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Yeah, I sometimes root against "preachy" players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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