Mac the Knife Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 He should smoke a turd in hell for even suggesting this, though it's more than likely a fait accompli... DH Coming to National League in 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It's only a matter of time and we all know it. It's really too bad. Pure baseball is gone. I have no travel plans this year that include NL baseball; I guess I've perhaps seen my last game the way it is meant to be played. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The pitch is that idea, and Bumgarner's response is what I think of this idea. This is professional baseball, not Rec league softball. Let the pitchers hit. the American League for bringing us to this. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJaxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 We all knew this day would come. The upside is that older free agents will have access to the rest of the league, and the American league will no longer have the advantage in head to head meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramerica Industries Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I love having the leagues being different on this issue, although others hate it. Us AL fans can have our arguments in perpetuity with NL fans. It's great. I don't like this idea one bit, though it's pretty much been a foregone conclusion to happen for some time. The opposite idea was never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The downside is the older free agents should be sent home to sit on their millions, not kept around to chase numbers that are increasingly less important. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, rams80 said: The downside is the older free agents should be sent home to sit on their millions, not kept around to chase numbers that are increasingly less important. Exactly. If you can't handle the rigors of fielding AND hitting, then just go away. This obviously isn't the sport for you. Maybe Checkers would suit you better. "Well, what about guys like David Ortiz?!?!" Let them go manage a McDonalds or whatever, like they should be. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 A most terrible idea. Whoever said the White Sox should build their statue of Frank Thomas in the dugout, where he spent 95% of his career, has my admiration. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So, pretty much mediocre pinch hitters and bullpen arms are going to be driven out of the league due to no more need to bat for the pitcher. That said, at least there won't be as much bunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, LMU said: That said, at least there won't be as much bunting. But I am guessing way more trips to the mound. What drives me nuts about the AL (aside from the whole "real baseball" thing) is that they don't have to worry about hitting for the pitcher. So they spend the 7th and 8th innings making pitching changes for about every-other batter. I wonder whether there are numbers on mid-inning pitching changes in the NL vs. AL. My perception could be wrong but it feels like there are more in the AL but maybe that's because I've spent most of the last 15 years watching Ron Gardenhire throw out all logic that is not "left/left, right/right matchup." NL games are a bit faster than AL games and game length has been a growing concern...three plus hours for a sport played almost every day is a concern. This gave me the razor thin hope of going back to real baseball. But the "Fat Guy" factor alone is probably enough to not allow it. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'v thought a lot about this issue and I always came to the same conclusion... You can't make everyone happy no matter what, so just keep it the way it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm a National League fan so I prefer the NL style of baseball. If you play in the field you should have to hit your position. That's the purest form of baseball. Why is this one position special? There are loads of middle infielders who can't hit and are only in the big leagues because of their single specialized skill, should they get designated hitters too? Why don't we go full NFL and have 9 jacked Travis Hafners who do nothing but play offense and 9 wiry Ozzie Smiths who do nothing but play defense? That's taking the DH to its hyperbolic end, but it's there to prove a point. Just because a position isn't good at hitting shouldn't mean they get to avoid it. Shaquille O'neal never got a designated free throw shooter to come in when he got fouled. For a while I used to only get Indians games so I'd watch Travis Hafner come up every third inning, do something, and then go sit back down. It just feels wrong to have a guy leave the game and then come back in later. That's not how baseball works in any other way. You aren't allowed to bring a reliever back once you take him out. But I can see some good that will come of it. It'll level the playing field for talent acquisition, levels the playing field for interleague/World Series games. Plus it's an inevitably that I'm not going to fight for my entire life. I'll tell my grandkids that I was around for when pitchers used to bat and they'll say "what the hell is this baseball thing he's always blabbing about?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I suppose if starting pitchers are getting all sorts of money for pitching one every five games, maybe they should try to "earn" that contract. I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Whether it be in 2017, 2018, 2019 or any year thereafter, the National League will eventually the DH. I don't like it, but end of the day it's always money that drives these decisions. Push comes to shove player unions always support veterans over rookies and the DH role tend to be filled more often then not by veteran players. Owners as well especially American League are also just totally turned off by the idea of a pitcher getting hurt because they hit. I think a lot of that stuff is overblown. Less than 1% of injuries suffered by pitchers occur because they came to bat, but in this case sentiment matters way more than the facts. If and when the NL does switch over the utility infielder will probably join the NFL fullback and the true NBA center as the three positions in pro sports most in danger of going extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 DH baseball is better. The National League is on the wrong side of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, McCarthy said: I'm a National League fan so I prefer the NL style of baseball. That's how it tends to go. I am a rare AL fan who prefers NL ball. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I've been a fan of Larry Dierker's proposal ever since I heard about it, which I know I've mentioned here before. Basically you could pinch hit for the pitcher any time you wanted to in the game without having to remove him from the game. But the pinch hitter does have to come out at the end of the inning unless you want to play him in the field and remove another player. Its a shame it hasn't gotten more traction, because I think that's the closest you could get to having the best of both worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 28 minutes ago, TheOldRoman said: DH baseball is better. The National League is on the wrong side of history. It certainly makes it easier to be a manager. /Ron Washington glances up from his latest cocaine orgy. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, pmoehrin said: I've been a fan of Larry Dierker's proposal ever since I heard about it, which I know I've mentioned here before. Basically you could pinch hit for the pitcher any time you wanted to in the game without having to remove him from the game. But the pinch hitter does have to come out at the end of the inning unless you want to play him in the field and remove another player. Its a shame it hasn't gotten more traction, because I think that's the closest you could get to having the best of both worlds. Maybe, as long as it was any position and not just pitcher. Could create some interesting decisions - use your masher in the 3rd inning or save him until later? also maybe limit that to two "courtesy" uses, after which the hit-for player would have to exit the game like normal. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1. I prefer the NL rules despite being an AL fan. 2. If you’re looking for a compromise, I really do like a modified version of the way high school does it — you can “pinch hit” for a pitcher, but the pinch hitter’s done for and you can only do it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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