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17 hours ago, Needschat said:

 

 

Laroche hit .207.  

Even if he was hitting .500 it still wouldn't be appropriate to bring your kid to work every single day. That's weird. 

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17 minutes ago, Cujo said:

Did the LaRoche family die? Jesus christ....

 

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Chris Sale said Ken Williams told "bald-faced lie," variously blamed teammtes, coaches and management for change in Drake La Roche's access.

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Chris Sale has. Adam LaRoche and Drake LaRoche uniforms hanging in his Whitesox locker

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Sale said they have heard three different stories from Williams, that there were complaints from players, then

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Player rep Adam Eaton said Adam LaRoche had clause in contract to allow son and players union now involved #whitesox

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Chris Sale accuses #WhiteSox VP Ken Williams of lying to team, and now have a meeting scheduled with Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf.

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Sale: somebody walked out of those doors the other day, and it was the wrong guy. Plain and simple.

 

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Chris Sale's issue with team VP Ken Williams: “Lying. We got bold faced lied to by someone we were supposed to trust."

 

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Sale: 'We were a steam engine going ahead and kind of derailed it. There was absolutely no problem in here & [KW] kind of created a problem'


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3 hours ago, McCarthy said:

Even if he was hitting .500 it still wouldn't be appropriate to bring your kid to work every single day. That's weird. 

 

Sports are different from your typical restaurant or office job.  These are people making money playing games.  You can't equate what they do as work.

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55 minutes ago, Needschat said:

 

Sports are different from your typical restaurant or office job.  These are people making money playing games.  You can't equate what they do as work.

Are you friends with Drake Laroche or something? I already made this point, but there are people who work in the clubhouse who don't get paid to play that have to deal with a kid in their way all the time every day every where they go. For them, sports aren't that different than your typical office job. Clearly it was bothering someone. There's a thing called boundaries and some people have no ability to recognize them on their own and for those people you have to communicate where the boundaries are or else you end up in a situation where one of your employees is bringing their child to work every single day, which is weird regardless of the profession.

 

If Adam Laroche's wife came to the clubhouse every single day and just hung out would that be appropriate? Of course not. 

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3 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

Are you friends with Drake Laroche or something? I already made this point, but there are people who work in the clubhouse who don't get paid to play that have to deal with a kid in their way all the time every day every where they go. For them, sports aren't that different than your typical office job. Clearly it was bothering someone. There's a thing called boundaries and some people have no ability to recognize them on their own and for those people you have to communicate where the boundaries are or else you end up in a situation where one of your employees is bringing their child to work every single day, which is weird regardless of the profession.

 

If Adam Laroche's wife came to the clubhouse every single day and just hung out would that be appropriate? Of course not. 

 

Again, this is just SPORTS!  Why are you taking this so seriously?  Are you one of those fans who uses "Us" when discussing their favorite team?  

 

Last year, there was permission to bring Drake in everyday.  This year out of the blue, Williams communicated it was no longer permissible.  

 

What changed? Did someone go to management complaining?  That looks highly unlikely, from what's being communicated and disseminated through the media.

Is it because he just hit .207 last season?  Possible, but not probable.

 

A more reasonable answer is that people in management - perhaps Williams and his underlings or the Einhorn family - sensed Laroche was thinking of retiring and this was a kick towards it.  

 

I work between 20-30 hours from home - after spending 30 hours in an office.  I have since my son was 12.  So I shouldn't have him around either?  I mean, I have people coming into the home to discuss their programming and data base needs, and some of them use "colorful language."

 

From other media reports, other teams have allowed sons inside the locker rooms, especially during summer break.  

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To be fair, Adam LaRoche's wife is maybe a strong 4.  

 

Besides, locker room conventions went out the window when Donald Sterling would parade prostitutes through the Clippers locker room as he exuberantly bragged about his fine collection of mandingos.  

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30 minutes ago, Needschat said:

 

Again, this is just SPORTS!  Why are you taking this so seriously?  Are you one of those fans who uses "Us" when discussing their favorite team?  

 

Last year, there was permission to bring Drake in everyday.  This year out of the blue, Williams communicated it was no longer permissible.  

 

What changed? Did someone go to management complaining?  That looks highly unlikely, from what's being communicated and disseminated through the media.

Is it because he just hit .207 last season?  Possible, but not probable.

 

A more reasonable answer is that people in management - perhaps Williams and his underlings or the Einhorn family - sensed Laroche was thinking of retiring and this was a kick towards it.  

 

I work between 20-30 hours from home - after spending 30 hours in an office.  I have since my son was 12.  So I shouldn't have him around either?  I mean, I have people coming into the home to discuss their programming and data base needs, and some of them use "colorful language."

 

From other media reports, other teams have allowed sons inside the locker rooms, especially during summer break.  

I see where the White Sox are coming from is my point. It's sports, again, but there are people who work for these teams who have to put up with somebody's kid in their way all the time. That would annoy the hell out of me. 

 

I realize some guys bring their kids around to the locker room. Having a major league dad would be awesome, having a major league dad that doesn't believe in schooling would be even better, but most guys understand boundaries and what is and is not an inappropriate over-extension of that leeway.  Their kids aren't there every day. This kid was reportedly there every single day, 100% of the time. The only thing they asked was Laroche scaled back how much his kid is in the clubhouse and Laroche is a homeschooling weirdo who took offense to that. What changed? Probably the fact that nobody realized how often the kid was going to be there and this season they decided enough was enough. And there probably were some complaints. Maybe Ken Williams was looking for a more serious environment in the clubhouse and that's harder to do when there's children around all the time. 

 

If every player's children were in the locker room 100% of the time that would be a problem. If they let Laroche's kid hang around all the time then they have to do it with everyone. It's better just to install a policy where you make that a rule. It's fun that they let the kids hang around and wear a uniform and play father-son games like the Big Red Machine did, but then guys like Laroche abuse it and that's when the fun is over. 

 

Your home and your communal office space are two very different places with different sets of rules so no I don't expect you hide your son when people come to your house. If you took him with you to the office every single day that would be weird. 

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Ok, so I get the sentiment that "it's just a game, quit taking it so seriously", and in most cases, like when Goose Gossage flaps his gums about "the sanctity of the game", I totally agree. But, this isn't one of those cases. Sure, it's just a game. But this isn't just some casual after work beer-league. These guys are being paid MILLIONS of dollars to play this "silly little game" at the highest levels possible, and they need to remain as focused as they possibly can. Having a teenager running around the clubhouse could potentially cause some distractions, and I can see why asked LaRoche to tone it down a bit. Hell, I can even see the argument where Drake has ALREADY caused distractions, and maybe, just maybe, that was one of the contributing factors to why LaRoche couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat last year. 

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13 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

I see where the White Sox are coming from is my point. It's sports, again, but there are people who work for these teams who have to put up with somebody's kid in their way all the time. That would annoy the hell out of me. 

 

I realize some guys bring their kids around to the locker room. Having a major league dad would be awesome, having a major league dad that doesn't believe in schooling would be even better, but most guys understand boundaries and what is and is not an inappropriate over-extension of that leeway.  Their kids aren't there every day. This kid was reportedly there every single day, 100% of the time. The only thing they asked was Laroche scaled back how much his kid is in the clubhouse and Laroche is a homeschooling weirdo who took offense to that. What changed? Probably the fact that nobody realized how often the kid was going to be there and this season they decided enough was enough. And there probably were some complaints. Maybe Ken Williams was looking for a more serious environment in the clubhouse and that's harder to do when there's children around all the time. 

 

If every player's children were in the locker room 100% of the time that would be a problem. If they let Laroche's kid hang around all the time then they have to do it with everyone. It's better just to install a policy where you make that a rule. It's fun that they let the kids hang around and wear a uniform and play father-son games like the Big Red Machine did, but then guys like Laroche abuse it and that's when the fun is over. 

 

Your home and your communal office space are two very different places with different sets of rules so no I don't expect you hide your son when people come to your house. If you took him with you to the office every single day that would be weird. 

 

And my point is that people are taking sports too seriously, making the analogy to office jobs.  That's apples to oranges.  Players are paid to PLAY on the field.  People may try to spin it, that the clubhouse is the office, but it's not.  It's a clubhouse, nothing more.  

 

The fun is over?  According to whom?  You?  Others who take sports seriously, as if it is NASA and the sanctity of the clubhouse must be preserved?

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10 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

Ok, so I get the sentiment that "it's just a game, quit taking it so seriously", and in most cases, like when Goose Gossage flaps his gums about "the sanctity of the game", I totally agree. But, this isn't one of those cases. Sure, it's just a game. But this isn't just some casual after work beer-league. These guys are being paid MILLIONS of dollars to play this "silly little game" at the highest levels possible, and they need to remain as focused as they possibly can. Having a teenager running around the clubhouse could potentially cause some distractions, and I can see why asked LaRoche to tone it down a bit. Hell, I can even see the argument where Drake has ALREADY caused distractions, and maybe, just maybe, that was one of the contributing factors to why LaRoche couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat last year. 

 

Adam's health was poor last season.  It was bad this preseason as well.

 

LA Kings Daryl Sutter has his son around, in the locker room, helping with practice, coaching some during the preseason.  Why are people complaining about that as a distraction?

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There are tons of examples where fans and media take sports too seriously.  But players and team personal should take it as seriously as, say, and attorney takes their job.  It being "sports" does not give employees of this business carte blanche to treat their co-workers and place of business as if it were a pot-luck in the park.

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Just now, Needschat said:

 

And my point is that people are taking sports too seriously, making the analogy to office jobs.  That's apples to oranges.  Players are paid to PLAY on the field.  People may try to spin it, that the clubhouse is the office, but it's not.  It's a clubhouse, nothing more.  

 

The fun is over?  According to whom?  You?  Others who take sports seriously, as if it is NASA and the sanctity of the clubhouse must be preserved?

and you're wrong about this. That's not taking sports too seriously and it's not apples to oranges, that's a completely apt comparison. I know people that work in professional sports and that's very much their place of business. Clearly someone had an issue and felt like Laroche was overstepping his boundaries. Maybe an analogy you can wrap your head around - My company's office has a gym and I use it 3 to 4 days a week. Let's say every single time I go into the locker room to change and shower one of my coworker's 12 year old kids is hanging out in there. That would make me very uncomfortable. As far as I know there's no rule that kids can't be in my gym's lockerroom, but maybe there should be because this guy is abusing it. 

 

I said the fun is over because that's how it always is when someone takes something that's cool once in a while and abuses that privilege. That's what I meant. 

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4 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

and you're wrong about this. That's not taking sports too seriously and it's not apples to oranges, that's a completely apt comparison. I know people that work in professional sports and that's very much their place of business. Clearly someone had an issue and felt like Laroche was overstepping his boundaries. Maybe an analogy you can wrap your head around - My company's office has a gym and I use it 3 to 4 days a week. Let's say every single time I go into the locker room to change and shower one of my coworker's 12 year old kids is hanging out in there. That would make me very uncomfortable. As far as I know there's no rule that kids can't be in my gym's lockerroom, but maybe there should be because this guy is abusing it. 

 

I said the fun is over because that's how it always is when someone takes something that's cool once in a while and abuses that privilege. That's what I meant. 

 

I have no problems with children being in and around the workplace.  I worked for many family-owned businesses, and the kids were always around, especially at the Italian restaurants.  As for the gym, I've seen sons in locker rooms.  It doesn't bother me.  

 

Family Days at the parks will continue, and will be fun.  No one's going to end that because of this.

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