DG_ThenNowForever Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 31 minutes ago, the admiral said: Â Do you miss boxing's place in American sports? I do. I know punching people in the head is the kind of thing we should be moving beyond as a civilization, but all we've really done is replace it with MMA, which is hardly safer and much less artful. Â The big boxing fights still eclipse what UFC can do on PPV, but culturally, it's way down the totem pole. Boxing is lucky it was able to transition from De La Hoya to Mayweather and Pacquiao, but what's left after that? The Klitchsko brothers? Also everything about UFC culture -- from Joe Rogan to the clothes to its faux pro wrestling presentation -- seems, I don't know, not good. Also, driving by random casinos on road trips and seeing a bunch "RAGE IN THE CAGE!!!!" signs cheapens the whole thing. Â I like watching boxing on YouTube, 30 for 30, and so on. But it's hard not to feel like you're watching something that's dead. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, DG_Now said: Also everything about UFC culture -- from Joe Rogan to the clothes to its faux pro wrestling presentation -- seems, I don't know, not good. Not good? It's the worst. It's what happens when you believe that any sensitivity, introspection, or listening to Kate Bush makes you a homo, until it all bubbles up and turns you into a preening grotesque. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 hour ago, the admiral said:  Do you miss boxing's place in American sports? I do. I know punching people in the head is the kind of thing we should be moving beyond as a civilization, but all we've really done is replace it with MMA, which is hardly safer and much less artful. There are three moments which really put boxing away in US society over about 12-13 years when we were growing up: 1- Boom Boom Mancini "killing" Kim Duk Koo on CBS. 2- When Americans stayed up late to see Roy Jones, Jr. get :censored:ed in the Seoul Olympics in 1988. 3- When we saw Ali in 1996 light the Olympic flame and saw his condition.  The final boxer which America really cared about was our only Gold Medalists from the Olympics in between...Oscar De La Hoya and he came in with a backstory of a dead mother and the $$$ of Budweiser.  Now Budweiser is owned by a Brazilian conglomerate, and those stories of "fighting" yourself out of the poor are so much more commonplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadmanLA Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I was just watching an Ali documentary on Netflix the other night, and even despite the bravado that he spit at people, he truly cared about folks. He was a flawed individual like every one else, but Ali was a very principled man.  Rest in paradise, GOAT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieboy82 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 heavyweight boxing died years ago. Â its the lower weight levels that are better to watch now. Â anyway: Ali-Frazier 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_of_the_Century so long and thanks for all the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, the admiral said:  Do you miss boxing's place in American sports? I do. I know punching people in the head is the kind of thing we should be moving beyond as a civilization, but all we've really done is replace it with MMA, which is hardly safer and much less artful.  Not really. Especially after seeing what the sport did to it's participants. (You needed to be a linguist to understand a word Joe Frazier said in the last 10-15 years of his life.) I was more of an Ali fan than I was a boxing fan. I watched Ali's bouts because he was Ali and back then, anything involving Ali was something you simply did not miss. But yeah, if given the choice, I'd take Ali era boxing over MMA every time.     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroywen Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On the one hand, the entire of boxing is incredibly stupid. Punching each other until one person can't stand up for 10 seconds is a recipe for disaster (and we unfortunately saw that with Ali himself, what with the devastating Parkinson's disease he had). On the other hand, it really is far more compelling to watch than MMA, and doesn't have that awful, brotastic culture surrounding it (like UFC does).  I would gladly exchange UFC for the return of boxing to the mainstream. At their cores, thy're both largely stupid and dangerous sports, but at least boxing is truly exciting to watch.  I do wish I could've experienced Ali's career when it was going on. He was remarkable, unlike any other athlete that came before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 HBO tribute to Ali... Â Â Â Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonwalker Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The news of his passing floated like a butterfly but stung like a bee. Â RIP MUHAMMAD ALI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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