2016 NBA Offseason thread

[Nyk33]

I've never seen the fanbases of both teams involved in a trade pissed off the way Knicks and Bulls fans are. 

[The_Admiral]

Gar could get fired, but Paxson is here for life in one capacity or another. He's family like Kenny Williams.

[smoke072]

2 minutes ago, Nyk33 said:

I've never seen the fanbases of both teams involved in a trade pissed off the way Knicks and Bulls fans are. 

I'm not that much pissed, but if they was going to trade Rose, I would at least give him til toward the trade deadline to try to built his trade value up.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

If I were a Bulls fan, I'd be pretty happy. Butler and Rose were never going to work together. Lopez is good, Noah might be on the decline, and Gasol should be on his way out. You're getting the definition of addition by subtraction. Now if Butler leaves too, all bets are off. I don't think he can though; not at this point.

 

If I were the Knicks, I'd just go all-in on Knicksiness. Trade for Gasol too. Sign Howard. Find a way to pick up Dion Waiters. Offer a max deal to Harrison Barnes. If you're going to be the Knicks, be the best version of "the Knicks."

[smoke072]

Forman did say he wasn't done making moves yet, I'll wait til he through before I show any faith about this Bulls team since it was only year one of the Hoiberg's system.

[dfwabel]

21 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

If I were a Bulls fan, I'd be pretty happy. Butler and Rose were never going to work together. Lopez is good, Noah might be on the decline, and Gasol should be on his way out. You're getting the definition of addition by subtraction. Now if Butler leaves too, all bets are off. I don't think he can though; not at this point.

 

If I were the Knicks, I'd just go all-in on Knicksiness. Trade for Gasol too. Sign Howard. Find a way to pick up Dion Waiters. Offer a max deal to Harrison Barnes. If you're going to be the Knicks, be the best version of "the Knicks."

Don't have to trade for Pau; he's also a free agent.

 

Knicks just need to appeal to his love of opera and have a representative or singer from The Met in the first meeting.

 

Pau could also take a similar low offer from SAS like David West took last season. He's mentioned that before.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/pau-gasol-says-spurs-are-an-interesting-option-in-free-agency/

[The_Admiral]

26 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

If I were a Bulls fan, I'd be pretty happy. Butler and Rose were never going to work together. Lopez is good, Noah might be on the decline, and Gasol should be on his way out. You're getting the definition of addition by subtraction. Now if Butler leaves too, all bets are off. I don't think he can though; not at this point.

 

I'm happy he's gone and sad that I'm happy. You have certain storybook expectations for a first-overall pick who grew up in town, and for it all to fall apart the way it did with his injuries, his weird brothers, and his stupid comments about wanting to be healthy for business meetings and high school graduations was such a disappointment. There's a rebuild coming, obviously, but with the people in charge I don't have much faith in how it'll turn out. Even doing it the right way with a stroke of luck topped out at one deep playoff run and a bunch of early-round outs to inarguably better teams (except the '05 and '14 Wizards, which I will argue). What's the wrong way gonna be?

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Joe Lacob is going to to disrupt the NBA offseason this year by targeting former NBA MVPs. So innovative. Much general managing.

 

Snark aside, Kevin Durant sounds like a great get, but duh. Dirk is interesting, because he's awesome in the midrange and they had none of that toward the end of the Finals.

 

I do wonder, though, about the Warriors' general dickishness through the season. NBA players are professionals and I think you can forgive some of that stuff, but I wonder if any of it lingers.

 

I think whatever the Cavs do with Love will set the tone for the offseason. If he stays, there are probably some mid-level guys that join up. I can't see a championship team trading a key contributor for draft picks, especially considering that the NBA isn't Belichick's NFL and you can win a lot more with the present than the future. So who knows.

[DarkJourney]

Love to the Lakers to start Luke's rebuild?

[dfwabel]

55 minutes ago, DarkJourney said:

Love to the Lakers to start Luke's rebuild?

For who and for what? Is ot worth it to take back someone mediocre like Brandon Bass and his $10M?

Love will make $21M next season.

 

LAL have $60M in cap space and don't have many contracts equal to Love's even with CLE's $9.6M trade exception. It will be difficult for LAL to give up bodies, especially when PHL still gets a future 1st round pick. It's top 3 protected in 2017 again, but LAL should be better than that.

 

 

[DG_ThenNowForever]

LeBron roasts the Cleveland Cavaliers:

 

 

It's actually really sweet. "Dahntay is the luckiest man, I'll tell you that. We just picked his ass up like 2 days ago"

 

Also - LeBron thinks the Knicks are a joke. Not a surprise, but good on him for being so forthright.

[dfwabel]

14 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

LeBron roasts the Cleveland Cavaliers:

 

 

It's actually really sweet. "Dahntay is the luckiest man, I'll tell you that. We just picked his ass up like 2 days ago"

 

Also - LeBron thinks the Knicks are a joke. Not a surprise, but good on him for being so forthright.

He threw huge shade on Dan Gilbert.

 

http://collegespun.com/extra-credit/video-lebron-james-barely-acknowledges-dan-gilbert-during-championship-speech

 

On Sunday, Gilbert's thanks to LeBron was basically last.

 

Gilbert knows he's writing luxury tax checks because of LeBron and hates it now that he got his 'chip.

[FiddySicks]

6 hours ago, DG_Now said:

Joe Lacob is going to to disrupt the NBA offseason this year by targeting former NBA MVPs. So innovative. Much general managing.

 

Snark aside, Kevin Durant sounds like a great get, but duh. Dirk is interesting, because he's awesome in the midrange and they had none of that toward the end of the Finals.

 

I do wonder, though, about the Warriors' general dickishness through the season. NBA players are professionals and I think you can forgive some of that stuff, but I wonder if any of it lingers.

 

I think whatever the Cavs do with Love will set the tone for the offseason. If he stays, there are probably some mid-level guys that join up. I can't see a championship team trading a key contributor for draft picks, especially considering that the NBA isn't Belichick's NFL and you can win a lot more with the present than the future. So who knows.

 

You say that like it wasn't at least somewhat merited. This was a team that started the season on the longest winning streak to ever start a season, ended up breaking the single season wins record, had the first ever unanimous MVP, and were one game from winning back-to-back titles. I think they earned just a slight bit of that "dickishness", don't you? It's not like those Jordan-Led Bulls teams were exactly hospitable. 

[dfwabel]

24 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

You say that like it wasn't at least somewhat merited. This was a team that started the season on the longest winning streak to ever start a season, ended up breaking the single season wins record, had the first ever unanimous MVP, and were one game from winning back-to-back titles. I think they earned just a slight bit of that "dickishness", don't you? It's not like those Jordan-Led Bulls teams were exactly hospitable. 

One title plus a streak doesn't entitle an owner to tell the NYTimes Magazine about how far ahead his basketball business over everyone else when they went 15-9 in the playoffs and don't have a banner.

 

GSW aren't "light years ahead" as Lacob claimed in April.

 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/magazine/what-happened-when-venture-capitalists-took-over-the-golden-state-warriors.html

[FiddySicks]

Maybe not, but it's not to the point where it's completely killed the goodwill of the organization with top free agents. 

[dfwabel]

8 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

Maybe not, but it's not to the point where it's completely killed the goodwill of the organization with top free agents. 

Chris Cohan era is long gone, but Adonal Foyle is still an "Ambassador" after he stole millions from the franchise.

[dont care]

8 hours ago, dfwabel said:

He threw huge shade on Dan Gilbert.

 

http://collegespun.com/extra-credit/video-lebron-james-barely-acknowledges-dan-gilbert-during-championship-speech

 

On Sunday, Gilbert's thanks to LeBron was basically last.

 

Gilbert knows he's writing luxury tax checks because of LeBron and hates it now that he got his 'chip.

That's really making a mountain out of a mole hill. He clearly nodded, gave a thumbs up, and said thank you. What more do people want him to do, run up to him, get on a knee and thank him for allowing him to play there again? Bull :censored: Gilbert is lucky Lebron decided to come back and stay.

[CS85]

Well duh.  Gilbert looked like an idiot during LeBron's first tenure and looked like even more of a cuckold after LeBron came back. 

[Dalcowboyfan92]

Philly REALLY wants the #3 pick from Boston. I've heard Philly really wants G Kris Dunn and are taking Simmons simply because he's the best player available at #1 overall.

[pmoehrin]

On June 22, 2016 at 4:28 PM, tp49 said:

It's just Jimmy Dolan being Jimmy Dolan.

 

The sad part is all anyone had to say was Derrick Rose has been traded to..... and anyone who's paid any kind of attention to the NBA for the last 15 years would guess the Knicks without even knowing anything about the other players involved or what the Knicks were even trying to accomplish in this deal. Of course the Knicks would go out and trade for Derrick Rose, because that's what the Knicks do.

 

Here's how Knicks thinking 101 works. They can't draft a franchise player in the draft and they don't have the pieces to trade for or sign a top flight player like LeBron or Kevin Durant, or Steph Curry. So they go after a second tier star player ie. Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, and then spend the next few years trying to convince themselves that they can built a championship caliber team around said player until it becomes obvious to even the most die hard of fans that day will never arrive, so they go after the next second tier star player they can get their hands on and the process repeats itself.

 

Derrick Rose makes perfect sense to be next in that line of succession. A once great player who is still plenty good enough to show signs of what made him a former MVP and I don't think anyone would have an issue with Derrick Rose as their starting point guard. But nobody looks at Derrick Rose as a true franchise player at this point if you're serious about winning an NBA title. Nobody that is except the Knicks.

 

Noah makes perfect sense for the Knicks to. A solid defensive player with injury issues who's best days as a player are almost certainly behind him. They probably have him projected as their starting center for the next five years while he'll probably be lucky to even make three. Every other team sees Noah as a solid plug in guy you can use to bridge the gap between long term solutions at center. With the Knicks, Noah is the long term solution.