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Something I've been thinking about for a few weeks...given that that's when my cousin was hyping up Dak so much you'd think he bled silver & blue (no, he's not Skip Bayless :D )  Question for you Cowboys fans...has Tony Romo started his final game as a Cowboy?  Has the Dak Era officially begun?

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Yeah, Romo will play again. The only way Romo doesn't see the field again would be if the Cowboys were to beat San Fran, Cincy and Green Bay, with Dak at the helm and he'd have to be posting ridiculous numbers like having a 100+ QBR and 1-2 INT's max. Romo is still the best QB on this team and gives the Cowboys their best chance at winning football games. The Romo led Cowboys are 15-4 since 2014 (16-5 if you include the postseason). As of right now the Dak led Cowboys are 2-1. Still too early to say that Dak has done enough to claim the starting position over a presumably healthy Tony Romo. 

 

However Dak has done enough to become, without a doubt, the future franchise QB of the Cowboys. It pains me to say this because Tony is my all-time favorite QB, but Romo's days are numbered. 

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The Bengals appear to have a big play problem in that they let the other team home run them on defense and then can't convert golden opportunities the other way like when twice Trevor Siemian throws the ball directly at a defender who drops it. They could've easily won that game yesterday. Also, Pacman's knee was down just like Tyler Boyd's last week. Why can't we correctly call a fumble? Also, every single play being a penalty is ridiculous and why this sport continues to lose my interest. So many drives extended because of ticky tack BS. 

 

Now with that said, if the rulebook is going to be enforced that tightly it was nice to see the Steelers actually getting called for stuff. They had a holding penalty yesterday. I couldn't believe it. 

 

Carson Wentz might be for real and I think the Eagles are good again. What's EDP got to say about this turn towards optimism? 

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These two guys were at two different tailgates standing 20 feet away from each other and didn't personally know one another. I hate this fanbase. 

 

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My drift away from NFL fanhood gets faster every year. I didn't watch any of the late games and opted for some netflix and a nice dinner out. It was great. 

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I feel like in my dealings with Bears fans that many of them too are starting to ask themselves the "what does this all mean?" question.  The ultimately terrifying question the NFL never wants fans to consider:  "Why am I watching this crap?"  

Then again, if the team begins to look competent at all, fans will always come back. 

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2 minutes ago, CS85 said:

I feel like in my dealings with Bears fans that many of them too are starting to ask themselves the "what does this all mean?" question.  The ultimately terrifying question the NFL never wants fans to consider:  "Why am I watching this crap?"  

Then again, if the team begins to look competent at all, fans will always come back. 

 

And the secret of the NFL is that a lot of it is crap. There are a lot of really poor games every week that people pay a lot of money to watch.

 

I think the playoff loss last year broke me and maybe that's a good thing. Losing to the Steelers last week I felt very little emotion. Usually I'd be upset for an hour or two - in my younger years that feeling would last days. Yesterday as the Broncos took a two possession lead I felt absolutely nothing. When they beat the Jets in week one I felt nothing. I just can't keep investing my emotional health in a team that usually loses in dumb ways and has a fanbase full of Harambe and LEMME FREAK 69 jerseys. When I lived in Seattle I went to a Seahawks game expecting a higher level of class from a more progressive city - NOPE. Football fans are idiots all over the country and I'm including myself in that. 

 

I will still watch my team's games, I even have tickets to Thursday night against Miami, but I'm not as into it as I once was and I'm not going out of my way to watch other games. Can't wait for hockey season. 

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Prescott's playing really well so far. He's managing the game superbly, not getting in too deep and forcing mistakes.

 

In just 3 games without Romo this season; they've won more games then in 12 last year. Getting Elliott in the Draft really helps out Prescott. And having two other capable backs in the rotation with Morris and Dunbar helps. I think Dunbar was the player Dallas missed the most last year (Romo and Dez notwithstanding).

 

Dunbar could've helped out Weeden/Cassel/Moore tremendously giving them a checkdown RB to dump the ball off to.

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2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

 

And the secret of the NFL is that a lot of it is crap. There are a lot of really poor games every week that people pay a lot of money to watch.

 

I think the playoff loss last year broke me and maybe that's a good thing. Losing to the Steelers last week I felt very little emotion. Usually I'd be upset for an hour or two - in my younger years that feeling would last days. Yesterday as the Broncos took a two possession lead I felt absolutely nothing. When they beat the Jets in week one I felt nothing. I just can't keep investing my emotional health in a team that usually loses in dumb ways and has a fanbase full of Harambe and LEMME FREAK 69 jerseys. When I lived in Seattle I went to a Seahawks game expecting a higher level of class from a more progressive city - NOPE. Football fans are idiots all over the country and I'm including myself in that. 

 

I will still watch my team's games, I even have tickets to Thursday night against Miami, but I'm not as into it as I once was and I'm not going out of my way to watch other games. Can't wait for hockey season. 

 

I think in some ways we're kindred spirits about our football feelings for our teams.  I don't know if I'm older than you (I suspect I am??...) but like you the Bears losing was such an angry, infuriating thing, especially if they were putting together competent teams that season.  After years of disappointment in all manner - pointless top-10 pick disasters, franchise meltdowns/rebuild, playoff losses, super bowl loss, NFC title game loss, and our rivals stamping on our heads for the better part of the 16 years I've been a fan - I don't really react to the Bears in anger anymore.  

It's been reduced to observing, and in most cases hoping they lose.  This game against Dallas, for example:  I loathe Brian Hoyer, and hate that he is a Chicago Bear.  I don't want to listen to fans clamoring for him to be the future or enduring calls to WSCR for a decade about how "dat Hoyer guy, at least he was a winner" etc.  I just want him to lose and play like the mediocre-to-awful quarterback that he is.  I want this mostly awful team to get humiliated on national television, and I want them to endure a winless season.  That is the only way real change comes, and the fact that it's happening in contrast to this magical Cubs season and the start of the now-elite Blackhawks season creates a wonderfully stark contrast to how the Bears, arguably the city's most defining team, is an also-ran.

 

My roommate talked to me last night about why I even bother subjecting myself to this every year, every Sunday/Mon/Thur/whatever.  Since we've lived together he's observed my disappointment and wonders why I go through with it.  I told him he's not a sports fan and that this is just how it goes.  I'm a Bears fan for life, and this suffering is simply my lot in life.  


I'm starting to think that maybe he's got a point, but to enjoy the sweet, I feel like it's my duty to take the sour.  Even if the sweetness never comes.

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What is making Dak look so good is he takes what the defense gives, instead of forcing it where there's nothing.

 

As for Romo, I think he'll be back this year. so long as they keep feeding the trio of backs I think Dallas could keep winning. We'll see once they start facing teams like Green Bay and Minnesota. 

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The NFL would be better if the Patriots were bad again. Or if there were better methods to punish success.

 

The last CBA made it harder to retain veterans, but people will play in New England for cheap. They're the Spurs of the NFL, but less likeable, more cheating, and more inevitable.

 

It really sucks because they're playing without their two best players and are still 3-0. Granted, it turns out Arizona is returning to normal, the Dolphins stink and Houston is a fraud, but couldn't they have just lost one of the Brady punishment games?

 

The NFL is successful without movement at the top, and that's too bad for those of us who root for teams like Buffalo, Jacksonville, and Tennessee.

 

It's just there's enough concentration of wealth and success in the real world. The NFL was supposed to show how socialism works. Well, it doesnl for the owners, but I wish it did for the fans too.

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7 hours ago, DG_Now said:

The NFL was supposed to show how socialism works.

And the Nazis, the Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, China, Cambodia, Argentina and Venezuela haven't? :D

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I was bored and just looking up some football stats, as one does, and found an astounding statistical anomaly when comparing Wentz' stats with Dak's: they are identical. Check it out.

 

Carson Wentz: 66/102 (comp/att) 64.7 completion-percentage, 769 yards, 7.5 yards/att, 256.3 yards/game, 5 TDs, 0 INT's, 37 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 103.8 (7th in the NFL), Total QBR: 68.9 (13th in the NFL).

 

Dak Prescott: 66/99 (comp/att), 66.7 completion-percentage, 767 yards, 7.7 yards/att, 255.7 yards/game, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 36 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 93.3 (12th in the NFL), Total QBR: 87.2 (2nd in the NFL).

 

I've never seen two rookies with stats that are this close to each other. Of course, the biggest difference between these two isn't shown here and it just goes to show you how stupid draft projections are. Wentz was suppose to be this good; Dak wasn't.

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17 hours ago, Rockstar Matt said:

I was bored and just looking up some football stats, as one does, and found an astounding statistical anomaly when comparing Wentz' stats with Dak's: they are identical. Check it out.

 

Carson Wentz: 66/102 (comp/att) 64.7 completion-percentage, 769 yards, 7.5 yards/att, 256.3 yards/game, 5 TDs, 0 INT's, 37 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 103.8 (7th in the NFL), Total QBR: 68.9 (13th in the NFL).

 

Dak Prescott: 66/99 (comp/att), 66.7 completion-percentage, 767 yards, 7.7 yards/att, 255.7 yards/game, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 36 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 93.3 (12th in the NFL), Total QBR: 87.2 (2nd in the NFL).

 

I've never seen two rookies with stats that are this close to each other. Of course, the biggest difference between these two isn't shown here and it just goes to show you how stupid draft projections are. Wentz was suppose to be this good; Dak wasn't.

 

Both of these guys are obviously on a roll...it's too bad they (or more accurately, their teams) don't face off against each other until October 30th--another Sunday nighter in Jerry's World.  The Eagles all play Detroit, Washington, and Minnesota before that Cowboys game; out of those teams, the Vikings might give Wentz hell, and if Josh Norman stays on his game, maybe there too.

 

Prescott, on the other hand, has San Francisco, Cincinnati, and Green Bay ahead before the Philly game; he might light up the 49ers...the Bengals and Packers, he might have another stellar game against one of those two, but I can't see it back-to-back.

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On September 27, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Rockstar Matt said:

I was bored and just looking up some football stats, as one does, and found an astounding statistical anomaly when comparing Wentz' stats with Dak's: they are identical. Check it out.

 

Carson Wentz: 66/102 (comp/att) 64.7 completion-percentage, 769 yards, 7.5 yards/att, 256.3 yards/game, 5 TDs, 0 INT's, 37 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 103.8 (7th in the NFL), Total QBR: 68.9 (13th in the NFL).

 

Dak Prescott: 66/99 (comp/att), 66.7 completion-percentage, 767 yards, 7.7 yards/att, 255.7 yards/game, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 36 1st downs, Traditional QB Rating: 93.3 (12th in the NFL), Total QBR: 87.2 (2nd in the NFL).

 

I've never seen two rookies with stats that are this close to each other. Of course, the biggest difference between these two isn't shown here and it just goes to show you how stupid draft projections are. Wentz was suppose to be this good; Dak wasn't.

 

To say Wentz was supposed to be is this good is preposterous. 

Not only was he labeled as a "project" ( due to coming from an fcs school) and was supposed to sit for the whole seasons behind Bradford and Daniel.

only got 36ish preseseason snaps due to injury

he only became the starter 8 games  before his first game.

And has been a better Passer then Prescott with better supporting cast coaching staff wise but worse supporting staff skill position wise.

meanwhile Dak was labeled by many to be one of the best pro ready prospects.

new he was starting as early as the end of preseason week 3 

got plenty of preseason snaps

had so much hype surrounding him in the beginning of the year as the next Russell Wilson.

 

while I am rooting for Dak a lot because I wanted the Eagles before they traded up but to say Wentz was supposed to be this good and Dak wasn't is definitely wrong.

 

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To say Wentz was supposed to be is this good is preposterous. 

Not only was he labeled as a "project" ( due to coming from an fcs school) and was supposed to sit for the whole seasons behind Bradford and Daniel.

only got 36ish preseseason snaps due to injury

he only became the starter 8 games  before his first game.

And has been a better Passer then Prescott with better supporting cast coaching staff wise but worse supporting staff skill position wise

 

 

Lol, wut? You can't definitively say Wentz has been a better passer when their passing stats are identical. If anything, Dak has been better by the slightest of edges imaginable.

 

 

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meanwhile Dak was labeled by many to be one of the best pro ready prospects.

new he was starting as early as the end of preseason week 3 

got plenty of preseason snaps

had so much hype surrounding him in the beginning of the year as the next Russell Wilson.

 

while I am rooting for Dak a lot because I wanted the Eagles before they traded up but to say Wentz was supposed to be this good and Dak wasn't is definitely wrong.

 

This is just flatly false, you and everyone else knows this. He wasn't labeled to be one of the best pro ready prospects by anyone.

 

Here are some pre-draft reports. First are about Dak.

 

From CBS:

"His footwork is inconsistent and he loses accuracy when his feet are not set. Tends to predetermine some throws and relies on a lot of back shoulder patterns, something that got him in trouble against Auburn and Alabama. Has not shown the consistency to lead his team through the air in tough road environments when the ground game is shut down."

 

"Compares to Tim Tebow. Although Prescott has a slightly better arm and more consistent mechanics, he and Tebow grade similar in several categories, including composure, mobility, power and leadership. Projected 4th to 5th round"

 

From NFL.com: 

"Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full­-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.

 

"There are physical, athletic, and leadership traits comparable to Tim Tebow, but Prescott is vastly more pro-ready as a passer. He's an ideal backup as he continues to work on overall consistency, but he'll bring a dynamic element if his name's ever called. Projected 3rd Round."

 

Now Wentz' turn:

 

From NFL.com:

"With a body type that is as prototypical as they come and a background in reading the entire field and working through progressions, Wentz will immediately check a couple of boxes that many college quarterbacks won't be able to check. While his arm strength is OK, he can still make all the throws and he can make them with accuracy. His ability to escape pressure and pick up first downs with his feet will be yet another check mark in his favor. Wentz is still in a developmental phase after just two years at an FCS program, but has the mental and physical building blocks of a future, franchise quarterback. Projected 1st Round."

 

SI.com:

"Now that the quarterback position is in play with the No. 1 pick, it’s entirely valid to ask if Wentz is worth that kind of capital. Based on what I’ve seen, and given his developmental curve, I think the answer is yes—based on the proviso that if you see your franchise quarterback in the draft, you move heaven and earth to get him. I think Wentz has more of those top characteristics than Jared Goff—he’s more pro-ready, his flaws are entirely correctable and the upside laps any other quarterback in this class."

 

Let's not have some revisionist history where people thought Dak was as good as a prospect than Wentz or Goff. If Dak was one of the most "pro-ready QB's", he would have gone in the first round. There's a reason why Dak fell to the 4th round. He had some serious flaws in his game, which is why the common thought was that he was a slightly better passing version of Tim Tebow. Luckily for the Cowboys, he worked his ass off to fix those weaknesses and now looks like a completely different QB. 

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