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On 6/4/2017 at 1:42 PM, FinsUp1214 said:
On 6/4/2017 at 1:12 PM, Ice_Cap said:

My vote would be for the Braves. Keep everything as it is but replace the navy with black.

It's still historically relevant (the tomohawk was black once) and the red and black colour scheme would move them closer to the Falcons and the Hawks (kind of).

 

And it wouldn't look all that "off" either, especially considering some old film and pictures of the 50's set make the navy almost look black anyways:

 

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I'm totally down for it. Great idea.

 

FWIW, the jackets the Braves wore in that era actually were black:

 

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14 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

We've gone over this before - red is a traditional color for angels.  Going way back.

 

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Woah— I honestly did not know that. This changes my perspective on the Angels scheme a bit, I think scheme with the colors of the first angel, red and periwinkle, with some added gold could work. I'd still prefer red to be removed, but this at least gives precedence to its inclusion.

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Does it really? No one associates angels with red in the public imagination. Devils are red, angels are white with maybe a little yellow, like the Vatican flag. That doesn't mean red doesn't work for the Los Angeles Angels. They look very good in red. But connecting a sports team to Renaissance artwork to justify the color scheme is gilding the lily.

 

And call it a hunch that the Cumberland/Smyrna/Cobb/An Atlanta Address Braves aren't eager to cross-promote with the "downtown" Hawks and Falcons.

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1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

 

 

FWIW, the jackets the Braves wore in that era actually were black:

 

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I'd honestly always assumed those jackets were navy. You learn something new every day! 

 

I really like this. They could pretty much go exactly this route - black tomahawk with gold outlines and all - and call it a day.

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The Braves going back to Black as one of the colors is not the worst idea in the World. Every time I see a concept on here (or pretty much anywhere else) the idea is always to bring them back to the 70's look.  Adding black and using more gold with the current logo set would look pretty nice. 

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Here's a crazy idea for the Angels. How about an all WHITE cap and helmet at home? If any team could pull it off, it's the Angels. 

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I will admit the Braves would actually look really good in black and red, though I wouldn't want to actually see if come to fruition. I don't understand this desire to change teams' long-established traditional color schemes in order to gain better "differentiation." To me, a well-established decades-long color scheme should be relatively sacrosanct, and is part and parcel of the team's identity.

 

If this were a new league being created today, would I say that there should be fewer red/white/blue teams? Of course, but that isn't the case here. I hate the idea of ignoring the long histories and fan identification that the Braves, Twins, Indians, Angels, Red Sox, etc., have with their respective team colors. The most traditional baseball color scheme was some mix of red, white, and blue - it's part of baseball's traditional aesthetic, just as gray road jerseys and monograms on caps are.

 

There's a very long history of red, white, and blue with the franchises wearing those colors. Their fans identify with those colors. That shouldn't be sacrificed in the name of "differentiation."

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2 hours ago, kroywen said:

I will admit the Braves would actually look really good in black and red, though I wouldn't want to actually see if come to fruition. I don't understand this desire to change teams' long-established traditional color schemes in order to gain better "differentiation." To me, a well-established decades-long color scheme should be relatively sacrosanct, and is part and parcel of the team's identity.

 

If this were a new league being created today, would I say that there should be fewer red/white/blue teams? Of course, but that isn't the case here. I hate the idea of ignoring the long histories and fan identification that the Braves, Twins, Indians, Angels, Red Sox, etc., have with their respective team colors. The most traditional baseball color scheme was some mix of red, white, and blue - it's part of baseball's traditional aesthetic, just as gray road jerseys and monograms on caps are.

 

There's a very long history of red, white, and blue with the franchises wearing those colors. Their fans identify with those colors. That shouldn't be sacrificed in the name of "differentiation."

 

This is why I wish more teams had taken up Charlie O.'s initiative of changing color schemes in the 1960's. In an age of color TV's growth and before the large-scale merchandising of sports teams, long standing color schemes could be more flexible. Now, these traditional colors are too entrenched to really do anything with them without fan uproar. I wouldn't want most of the red/red teams changing their color schemes (with the occasional exceptions of the Angels, Rangers, and maybe the Braves). 

 

Still, it's fun to experiment and find teams that could break up the hegemony a little bit. Playing around with color distribution (and accent colors - yellow for the Braves, a metallic/yellow-gold for the Angels, and light blue for somebody), uniform templates, and fonts is one such way to "differentiate" without dumping navy/red. It makes for a more visually interesting league, while still remaining traditional.

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

This is why I wish more teams had taken up Charlie O.'s initiative of changing color schemes in the 1960's. In an age of color TV's growth and before the large-scale merchandising of sports teams, long standing color schemes could be more flexible. Now, these traditional colors are too entrenched to really do anything with them without fan uproar. I wouldn't want most of the navy/red teams changing their color schemes (with the occasional exceptions of the Angels, Rangers, and maybe the Braves). 

 

Ironically, red/white/blue was a popular color scheme for ballclubs to adopt in the 60s and early 70s. The Twins, Angels, White Sox, Rangers, and Expos all adopted r/w.b schemes, while the Braves significantly lightened their colors (and the Brewers intended to adopt an r/w/b scheme as well, but didn't have enough time to change from the Pilots' old colors). A shame some of those clubs didn't go with other colors to begin with.

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2 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

Here's a crazy idea for the Angels. How about an all WHITE cap and helmet at home? If any team could pull it off, it's the Angels. 

No major-league team should have white headwear. It doesn't feel serious.

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7 minutes ago, WavePunter said:

The rangers are royal

 

There is a point here - the Rangers are differentiated from the Angels and Red Sox via the different shade of blue. I personally wish that the Rangers would become a royal blue-first team, with red accents - it is historically inline with the look they've had from their start (except for a few years in the 90's), and honestly, they look so much better in royal blue than red.

 

FWIW, I'm all in favor of the Angels completely owning red. There's a number of tweaks they need to make to their identity (gold halo, "Los Angeles" on road jersey, eliminating all the red lettering-on-red background), but the fundamental red-first look is great for them.

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4 hours ago, the admiral said:

Does it really? No one associates angels with red in the public imagination. Devils are red, angels are white with maybe a little yellow, like the Vatican flag. That doesn't mean red doesn't work for the Los Angeles Angels. They look very good in red. But connecting a sports team to Renaissance artwork to justify the color scheme is gilding the lily.

 

And call it a hunch that the Cumberland/Smyrna/Cobb/An Atlanta Address Braves aren't eager to cross-promote with the "downtown" Hawks and Falcons.

Over 2000 years of Orthodox tradition and iconography has red symbolizing divinity, and angels by extension.

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8 minutes ago, DiePerske said:

Over 2000 years of Orthodox tradition and iconography has red symbolizing divinity, and angels by extension.

 

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

I wouldn't want most of the navy/red teams changing their color schemes (with the occasional exceptions of the Angels, Rangers, and maybe the Braves).

You may have been making a valid point, but you definitely implied they are navy..

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21 minutes ago, WavePunter said:

You may have been making a valid point, but you definitely implied they are navy..

 

Yeah, I should have said "blue." This is why you proofread after editing. Thanks for catching it.

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53 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

 

 

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1 hour ago, DiePerske said:

Over 2000 years of Orthodox tradition and iconography has red symbolizing divinity, and angels by extension.

The Orthodox? Those swarthy incense-burners? bosh! flimshaw!

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