The_Admiral Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, CLEstones said: Personally, I think the name is fine. The logo is definitely stereotypical/racist. Not sure how people can still defend it. Have we considered a possible deep-seated psychological angle? Human beings are naturally going to react positively to a smiling face, even if Chief Wahoo isn't what you'd call a natural face. People think they see a smile in their latte foam or a wall socket and they get all giddy. Strangely, I've even had a couple non-CCSLC people discuss the Ball in Glove with me and try to explain that there's something abstractly warm and friendly about it. It would be nice if fans of Indian-themed sports teams never dressed up as Indians for games, though, because that's the kind of stuff that more often than not seems to lead to a dark place. I don't think Wahoo in and of himself is harnessed as a symbol of hatred, at least not today, but if this is a logo Indians fans hold dear, then they need to meet in the middle and operate at a remove from controversy as much as possible. But what do I know, I'm just the Identity Politics Is Not A Meaningful Priority guy here now ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, the admiral said: Have we considered a possible deep-seated psychological angle? Human beings are naturally going to react positively to a smiling face, even if Chief Wahoo isn't what you'd call a natural face. People think they see a smile in their latte foam or a wall socket and they get all giddy. Strangely, I've even had a couple non-CCSLC people discuss the Ball in Glove with me and try to explain that there's something abstractly warm and friendly about it. It would be nice if fans of Indian-themed sports teams never dressed up as Indians for games, though, because that's the kind of stuff that more often than not seems to lead to a dark place. I don't think Wahoo in and of himself is harnessed as a symbol of hatred, at least not today, but if this is a logo Indians fans hold dear, then they need to meet in the middle and operate at a remove from controversy as much as possible. But what do I know, I'm just the Identity Politics Is Not A Meaningful Priority guy here now I would agree, its not a symbol of racism, but it contains incredibly stereotypical/racist characteristics. I think it comes from a lack of understanding, to be honest. When it comes to the similarity of the face... I guess it comes down to who is actually protesting it and who is supporting it. From being in town, there used to be a large Native American population that protested it every year, but the numbers have seemed to dwindle. I would say the majority of people protesting now are Caucasian or African Americans, with a few Native Americans. However, I can't be certain. I am all about personal freedoms in this country... but I'm also about not being a prick to people that you persecuted pretty heinously in your nation's history. I think if you look at it objectively, you can determine that its a racist/stereotypical representation of Native Americans... the only defense seems to be, "Well, its part of our history." Ok, fine. But sorry Tribe fans, we don't really have a storied baseball history. We have Bob Feller, Larry Doby, and a run of about 5 years in the 90's where we came back with 0 rings. I would love to be the first professional franchise to get out ahead of it. Cleveland's entire motto is Progress and Prosperity. Be progressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 That story is an embarrassment. Thankfully the judge dismissed the case. Why don't those activists try to help people in need instead of crying about a sports logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/15/2016 at 5:45 PM, rxmc89 said: None of the teams are going to wear BP jerseys during postseason games, so I guess you'll be rooting for everybody. Okay, well, Spring Training jerseys, then. Actually, I was being sarcastic/facetious, but regardless of what they're called, they don't belong in a Major League game, especially during the postseason. I can, by far, tolerate monochrome uniforms of color before these mismatched top/bottom combinations, and yes, even the Indians and Phillies Bloody Mary uniforms of the 1970s and the Pirates and A's yellow. Basketball and baseball uniforms should appear as one unit, not a mismatched top and bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I don't think the Indians are gonna wear their white uniforms in this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 They ripped off the Postseason patch and replaced it with the World Series patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Man Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, insert name said: They ripped off the Postseason patch and replaced it with the World Series patch. Baseball players are extremely superstitious. I'm pretty sure he didn't want a brand new hat for the World Series. You just made the Iron List!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rj0498 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, Classic Man said: Baseball players are extremely superstitious. I'm pretty sure he didn't want a brand new hat for the World Series. That sounds like a very baseball thing to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 7:47 AM, the admiral said: But what do I know, I'm just the Identity Politics Is Not A Meaningful Priority guy here now Was it really necessary to drag this into the MLB Playoff thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Nope. This is why we closed the other forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 8 hours ago, insert name said: They ripped off the Postseason patch and replaced it with the World Series patch. .....Wonder if they did the same with the jerseys ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Alt vs Alt. Welp.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC in Da House w/o a Doubt Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Oh god. Navy blue vs royal blue jerseys. I like the Cubs' alts, but not in the World Series. And especially not against a team also wearing a solid color alternate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 11 hours ago, insert name said: Alt vs Alt. Welp.... This is what we always ask for in baseball. Now its happened twice for the Indians... ALCS with Toronto and now the WS with Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rj0498 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Blue may be my favorite color but I don't want to constantly see blue vs blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I'd like Cleveland to wear the grey tops at least one time in this series. The bland wordmark is a downgrade from their 1994 aways though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The Little League World Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCheese Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Navy alts for cleveland again It just seems loke theyre going out of their way to avoid using the block C caps this postseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 6:17 PM, TheBigFiz21 said: 1 hour ago, HighCheese said: Navy alts for cleveland again It just seems loke theyre going out of their way to avoid using the block C caps this postseason On 15/10/2016 at 7:48 PM, Rj0498 said: 1 hour ago, HighCheese said: Navy alts for cleveland again It just seems loke theyre going out of their way to avoid using the block C caps this postseason This makes sense. Though I'm sure they could just wear wahoo with their greys. Wouldn't complain if they finally decided, down 3-1, that maybe they should wear grey for good luck, and then lose to the cubs Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxmc89 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 23 hours ago, Jungle Jim said: The Little League World Series Just because you're old enough to be the players' fathers doesn't mean it's the Little League World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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