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4 hours ago, goalieboy82 said:

Celtics to open their season against The Cavs? Should be interesting depending on how Cavs look (I.E. Kyrie). 

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Pretty sure Boston just jumped Cleveland in the East. Thomas is a nice player, but For Kyrie? I don't know about that. That seems desperate. Which Cleveland kinda was. 

 

Actually, maybe I should be surprised Cleveland got even that much. 

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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2 minutes ago, BlackBolt3 said:

Cleveland got the better of this deal. Even if both LeBron and IT leave, they will at least get a pick. If they both decide to stay, then the Celtics just blew their own hope for East supremacy.

 

Boston was going to overtake the east in 18/19 anyway. Now that's assured.

 

Thomas for Kyrie is a slight edge to Cleveland for this season. A huge edge to Boston if Kyrie decides to play defense. (This assumes Thomas stays healthy). The 2018 pick helps Cleveland rebuild.

 

I think the Cavs still win the East because no one can stop LeBron in the conference. But post LeBron, the Celtics will be very good for a very long time. And they just punted on their Isaiah Thomas problem.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

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That pick isn't really assured of anything, despite how bad the Nets are. They could end up playing better than most expect, and then that doesn't do Cleveland any favors. Also, they'd still have to actually win the draft lotto. And outside of Lebron and Kyrie (who were both basically locks), what has Cleveland really done with their high draft picks? I think there's a lot more risk there than is just on the surface. Also, I see IT regressing closer to the mean a lot faster than some would think. I don't see how this isn't a huge win for Boston. 

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The Cavs low key finessed Boston in this trade. Kyrie is good, but they might have given up too much. That pick was a huge get.

 

I don't imagine Kyrie thought he was staying in the east when he asked for that trade. I feel like LeBron will make it a mission to make Kyrie's life hell now. It's crazy how Kyrie went from taliking about how lucky he is to play with Bron to getting beat in the Eastern Conference Finals by him.

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If Kyrie tries on defense he could be Kobe. He hasn't yet shown that he has that in him. And while people seem to like Brad Stevens, Stevens also hasn't had to coach a bonafide, in his prime superstar. Maybe Kyrie doesn't want to play buddyball. 

 

If Thomas stays healthy, and if playing with LeBron creates open looks for him the way it has everyone else who ever played with James, this could be huge for him.

 

I like Jae Crowder too. The Cavs desperately needed a 3 and D guy and they got a good one.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

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Honestly, I did not expect the Celtics to make a move for Kyrie. 

Seems like a short term gain for Cleveland (Getting Crowder & IT), but long term benefits The Celtics.

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MIND BLOWN.

 

Long term boost for Boston, short term boost for Boston, a huge boost for Boston, period.

 

It's utterly ignorant to think IT is gonna have the same Cinderella season he had last year, esp. coming off that hip ding, however serious that may be. He'll be very good but he won't be great.

 

Kyrie is a perennially great player, and will now have the chance to be a #1 guy as opposed to a #2 guy in Cleveland. He's a #1 guy on at least 28 teams across the league. That's part of what makes the Cavs so dynamic (you know, and that Lebron guy). 

 

And as as far as Jae Crowder, what about freaking Gordon Hayward! Crowder would've been playing off the bench in Boston anyway! 

 

Add Irving, Hayward, Horford, Smart, Tatum, an improved Jaylen Brown, and character pieces like Aron Baynes and Morris (barring further criminal discipline), you've got a team that can challenge Lebron NOW. Not even in a year or two, NOW. I love love love this trade. Would've liked to have kept maybe Zizic or esp. the pick but, I'm on cloud nine.

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9 hours ago, Bruins said:

MIND BLOWN.

 

Long term boost for Boston, short term boost for Boston, a huge boost for Boston, period.

 

It's utterly ignorant to think IT is gonna have the same Cinderella season he had last year, esp. coming off that hip ding, however serious that may be. He'll be very good but he won't be great.

 

Kyrie is a perennially great player, and will now have the chance to be a #1 guy as opposed to a #2 guy in Cleveland. He's a #1 guy on at least 28 teams across the league. That's part of what makes the Cavs so dynamic (you know, and that Lebron guy). 

 

And as as far as Jae Crowder, what about freaking Gordon Hayward! Crowder would've been playing off the bench in Boston anyway! 

 

Add Irving, Hayward, Horford, Smart, Tatum, an improved Jaylen Brown, and character pieces like Aron Baynes and Morris (barring further criminal discipline), you've got a team that can challenge Lebron NOW. Not even in a year or two, NOW. I love love love this trade. Would've liked to have kept maybe Zizic or esp. the pick but, I'm on cloud nine.

 

Calm down.

 

The only thing Boston did was expand their window by getting Kyrie (and hoping to resign him).  Boston basically traded IT, Crowder, and Bradley for Hayward and Irving.  I'm not sure that's that big of an upgrade.  Their scoring should be up, but that's going to be about it.  I love Kyrie (he is, or was, my favorite player in the league), but I don't think you are going to see much growth from Brown and Tatum with Kyrie on the floor and Hayward being the #2.

 

It was still a great move for Boston, but it doesn't put them in the discussion with the Cavs and contending this year unless IT AND Rose both go down for the season and Love gets traded.

 

5 hours ago, truepg said:

Eh.. Not sure I like this trade for the Cavs.. Thomas is a warrior and all, and he showed it, but he's badly undersized. Would have rather just taken him and Tatum or Bledsoe and Jackson for Kyrie, even without a pick.

 

First and foremost, Bledsoe and Jackson was never on the table, so its stupid to even bring up.  Second, if you are concerned about IT's injury, then you better be MORE concerned with Bledsoe's long injury history... especially when the doctor's believe IT's hip just needed rest.  That's no where near what Bledsoe has been under.

 

It's crazy to think this trade has made the Cavs better in the long term AND the short term.  There is no scoring drop off with IT, possibly even more scoring.  His defense is probably worse - which is really saying something.  Its a 1 year deal, which fits in the LeBron speculation.  Its saves the Cavs a ton of money in tax.  The Cavs also get Crowder, who is a great 3 n D guy for multiple years... which is a significant upgrade over Derrick Williams and Richard Jefferson and maybe even Iman Shumpert.  They also finally get a versatile 4th big man.  Throw that on top of the Nets draft pick, which, is sure to be top 5.

 

 

TL;DR

 

Its a great move by both teams.

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11 minutes ago, CLEstones said:

First and foremost, Bledsoe and Jackson was never on the table, so its stupid to even bring up.

 

Just because it isn't on the table, doesn't mean you can't ask for it. Not bringing it up will get you nowhere.

 

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Second, if you are concerned about IT's injury, then you better be MORE concerned with Bledsoe's long injury history... especially when the doctor's believe IT's hip just needed rest. That's no where near what Bledsoe has been under.

 

Where exactly did you see me talking about his injury?

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30 minutes ago, truepg said:

 

Just because it isn't on the table, doesn't mean you can't ask for it. Not bringing it up will get you nowhere.

 

 

Where exactly did you see me talking about his injury?

 

The Cavs did ask... and it got turned down immediately.

 

I guess you didn't bring it up.  I think I saw your username and blocked out or got mixed up with someone else.  My apologies. 

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Kyrie is a little better than IT offensively and not significantly bettering on D. The Cavs struggled mightily when they gave Kyrie the keys to the offense last year (I.e. He was playing and LeBron was on the bench). Yes the Celtics have better weapons now but imo he hasn't proved that he can successfully be the No. 1 guy in an offense yet. 

 

I love this trade for the Cavs. IT, I feel, is a very similar player to Kyrie and will actually want to be there. Jae Crowder has one of the best contracts in the NBA and gives the Cavs some desperately needed wing defense. And, if LeBron jets in free agency, the Cavs can use Crowder, Thompson, and the pick as centerpieces to rebuild. 

 

Wins for both both teams on this one, but I like the Cavs' end of it better. 

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Overall, no question that the Cavs won this. Out of the following 3 possible outcomes: 1. Trade Irving for whatever you can get just to get rid of him, 2. Keep him and keep the team mired in controversy, or 3. Get the best package possible, I think they definitely did #3. As stated above, they basically swapped him for a very, very similar player AND got a rock solid role player in Jae Crowder AND still managed to get that Nets pick. 

 

The Cavs are deep. The Celtics are not. 

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Stunning trade, but let's be real here. Does this trade mean the Celtics can beat the Cavs? Absolutely not. Does this mean the Celtics can start making the Finals once LeBron leaves Cleveland? Yes, but that was the case anyways. 

 

This is a win for Cleveland simply because they got that coveted Nets 1st round pick. The players involved essentially made the trade a lateral move for both teams, but throwing in the draft pick is what tipped the scale in favor of the Cavs. 

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Not crazy about this trade for the Celtics. Throwing in the pick was too much, and I have a feeling Kyrie will not get along with Boston media. Mostly I'm heartbroken to lose Isaiah. This is like the direct opposite of a heartwarming sports movie.

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